Lets Raise Taxes, For Liberals

[Logician Man]

That's what Trump is planning on doing, he's not "cutting" anything. Look it up.

Since you made the positive claim /// he's not 'cutting' anything ///, why not present a valid link to validate that positive claim ?

 

[MTAtech]

That's what Trump is planning on doing, he's not "cutting" anything. Look it up.

Please post his plan. From what I can tell, there is no plan. But we can be sure that if the Dems lose the House, which is the only firewall now keeping Republicans in check, they will try to cut all the safety net programs, like they promised at the end of 2017.

 

[washunut]

Such as Bloomberg?

correct.

 

[it's just me]

Since you made the positive claim /// he's not 'cutting' anything ///, why not present a valid link to validate that positive claim ?

https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/internetbasics/using-search-engines/1/

 

[Logician Man]

https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/internetbasics/using-search-engines/1/

Nothing there whatsoever that supports/validates your positive claim..

 

[it's just me]

Please post his plan. From what I can tell, there is no plan. But we can be sure that if the Dems lose the House, which is the only firewall now keeping Republicans in check, they will try to cut all the safety net programs, like they promised at the end of 2017.

There is something out there, I found it in 5 minutes. It's amazing how difficult this stuff is for you to find.

 

[MTAtech]

There is something out there, I found it in 5 minutes. It's amazing how difficult this stuff is for you to find.

Well, where is it then?

 

[it's just me]

Nothing there whatsoever that supports/validates your positive claim..

I know, it's a page showing you how to use a search engine. Did you even look at it? If you had you would know that.

Let's get something straight: I am not posting anything for you, you got what you are going to get from me, so forget it. I will tell you that the plan is common sense for people with common sense.

 

[Logician Man]

I know, it's a page showing you how to use a search engine. Did you even look at it? If you had you would know that.

Let's get something straight: I am not posting anything for you, you got what you are going to get from me, so forget it. I will tell you that the plan is common sense for people with common sense.

Of course I looked at it. Why do you think I pointed out to you that it in no way validates your positive claim you put forth ?

 

[eohrnberger]

The real question isn't raising taxes.
The real question, a much harder question, is reducing federal government spending.

Neither of the parties has had the political will or courage to address this much harder question, nor getting federal spending under control.

The political elite's seem to come off with the attitude that the electorate are there for them to fleece.

Along with the difficult question of reducing federal government spending, there's an equally difficult question in curbing the federal government's impositions and interference in people's lives.

 

[MTAtech]

I know, it's a page showing you how to use a search engine. Did you even look at it? If you had you would know that.

Let's get something straight: I am not posting anything for you, you got what you are going to get from me, so forget it. I will tell you that the plan is common sense for people with common sense.

You are claiming that Trump has a plan. As such, it’s up to you to prove it — not to tell others they need to look it up themselves. Failure to provide evidence backing up your claim is akin to admitting you have nothing.

 

[MTAtech]

The real question isn't raising taxes.
The real question, a much harder question, is reducing federal government spending.

Neither of the parties has had the political will or courage to address this much harder question, nor getting federal spending under control.

The political elite's seem to come off with the attitude that the electorate are there for them to fleece.

Along with the difficult question of reducing federal government spending, there's an equally difficult question in curbing the federal government's impositions and interference in people's lives.

Ok, what would you cut from spending that would significantly reduce the deficit?

 

[Paradoxical]

Sure, then we can put tolls up only for republicans.

It really is an unworkable plan because the majority of liberals aka now as leftists/progressives and Libertarian Left generally don't work or work in a government job because they can't handle the real world.

 

[it's just me]

You are claiming that Trump has a plan. As such, it’s up to you to prove it — not to tell others they need to look it up themselves. Failure to provide evidence backing up your claim is akin to admitting you have nothing.

I don't have to prove anything, and I don't have to give you anything. Your accusatory tone makes me even less inclined to do so. But I will tell you this: if you think Trump is going to blow up SS and Medicare for you can call him the booger man you think he is, forget it. This is a common sense approach that has been talked about before, so don't get excited.

 

[MTAtech]

I don't have to prove anything, and I don't have to give you anything. Your accusatory tone makes me even less inclined to do so. But I will tell you this: if you think Trump is going to blow up SS and Medicare for you can call him the booger man you think he is, forget it. This is a common sense approach that has been talked about before, so don't get excited.

If you refuse to prove what you are claiming, your assertion has no merit. End of story.

 

[eohrnberger]

Ok, what would you cut from spending that would significantly reduce the deficit?

10% from all department budgets to start, followed by eliminating all duplication of efforts.

Get the Federal Government out of things it shouldn't be involved in in the first place.
Eliminate excess regulations - yes I know there's a balance that needs to be stuck - and revise the regulations that need to be there with an eye at making compliance to them less expensive for those that need to comply with them.

The cost of government is the overhead cost of having and running a society, as such, overhead costs need to be carefully and closely managed and reduced wherever possible and practical.

 

[MTAtech]

10% from all department budgets to start, followed by eliminating all duplication of efforts.

Get the Federal Government out of things it shouldn't be involved in in the first place.
Eliminate excess regulations - yes I know there's a balance that needs to be stuck - and revise the regulations that need to be there with an eye at making compliance to them less expensive for those that need to comply with them.

The cost of government is the overhead cost of having and running a society, as such, overhead costs need to be carefully and closely managed and reduced wherever possible and practical.

So, you think a 10% cut in the discretionary budget would make a difference?

I don't know what "excess" regulations are but regulations aren't breaking the bank. Should we cut the number of meat inspectors? How much would that save vs the risk to the public? Trump is already cutting environmental regulation that aren't saving much money but are making the air and water dirtier.

The vast bulk of federal spending goes to the big five: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, and interest on the debt.

Those that want less spending, either are talking about cuts in the big five, or have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[distraff]

Its usually the liberals who always want to raise taxes. So here is what I propose, we do raise taxes, but only for liberals.

Sounds good to me. Only one condition: Only liberals get the benefits of these programs.

 

[eohrnberger]

So, you think a 10% cut in the discretionary budget would make a difference?

I don't know what "excess" regulations are but regulations aren't breaking the bank. Should we cut the number of meat inspectors? How much would that save vs the risk to the public? Trump is already cutting environmental regulation that aren't saving much money but are making the air and water dirtier.

So goes the talking points. Doesn't mean that there's any truth behind them.

The vast bulk of federal spending goes to the big five: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense, and interest on the debt.

Those that want less spending, either are talking about cuts in the big five, or have no idea what they're talking about.

True, the non-discretionary part of the budget eating everything else alive and continues to grow, and those are going to have to be examined as well.
It's not going to be an easy conversation to have. Some very hard choices are simply going to have to be made, as the trajectory that it's on is simply unsustainable.

If these issues aren't addressed there is going to come a day when the US federal government will be insolvent, bankrupt, and then those difficult conversations are only going to be harder still.

 

[Tbird19482]

And yet Obama added over 9 trillion dollars to the national debt during the 8 years he was in office, more than all the presidents before him put together.

Obama did add over 9T to the debt but it wasn't more then all Presidents before him combined
That is just another Republican lie
first of all it is simple the debt was in the area of 11.6 T
debt from Reagan on to Obama when up 10.66 T
REAGAN added 1.86 T
Bush I added 1.55 T
Clinton added 1.4 0T
Bush II added 5.85 T
for a total of 10.66 T
that 10.66 T is over a Trillion more then Obama ran it up so again it is a lie that Obama ran it up more then " all the Presidents before him put together "
and again remember that is just what the 4 Presidents right before him ran it up
and I would guess you like a lot of Republicans and believe that Obama doubled the debt in the 8 years he was in office That is a LIE too
it is simple to figure out
the debt was in the area of 11.6 T when he took office so if he doubled that the debt would have been over 23 .2 T when Trump took office and it wasn't it was in the 19 T area
so as I said that is a LIE too
Have a nice day

 

[Conservative]

Obama did add over 9T to the debt but it wasn't more then all Presidents before him combined
That is just another Republican lie
first of all it is simple the debt was in the area of 11.6 T
debt from Reagan on to Obama when up 10.66 T
REAGAN added 1.86 T
Bush I added 1.55 T
Clinton added 1.4 0T
Bush II added 5.85 T
for a total of 10.66 T
that 10.66 T is over a Trillion more then Obama ran it up so again it is a lie that Obama ran it up more then " all the Presidents before him put together "
and again remember that is just what the 4 Presidents right before him ran it up
and I would guess you like a lot of Republicans and believe that Obama doubled the debt in the 8 years he was in office That is a LIE too
it is simple to figure out
the debt was in the area of 11.6 T when he took office so if he doubled that the debt would have been over 23 .2 T when Trump took office and it wasn't it was in the 19 T area
so as I said that is a LIE too
Have a nice day

There you go again distorting data and totally ignoring that Presidents take off on January 21 of the fiscal year and become responsible for spending. Budgets are guidelines not spending proposals or appropriation bills. You also conveniently forget that Reagan, GH and GW Bush served for 20 years, Obama 8. So Obama took office in October 2009?? where did you get that information, the debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion of which 350 billion was TARP LOANS that were repaid after Bush left office, so 10.6 minus 350 billion is 10.2 so double would be 20.4, Obama left us with 19.9 pretty close to double, isn't it?

I find you amazingly loyal to Obama, almost like a family member or employee that worked for Obama. Why such loyalty?

Now as for the OP topic, I believe Trump did raise taxes on liberals by cutting the deductions for state and local taxes that mostly blue state liberals have been deducting fully in high liberal taxes blue states. Thank you President Trump

 

[Jason Warfield]

Okay, but we already had them raised when the GOP pushed through entitlements for corporations and the 1%.

But hey, go ahead...thank you for giving us unlimited power.

You see, by doing that, we get to control the lobbyists, not the corporations since the money will be coming from us. We will have a direct-approach to Congress to make them do our bidding. So while you stop paying taxes, we'll pay and watch the GOP war chest dwindle and as a result (it will take a little bit of time), GOP loses both Senate and House forever.

You will lose power forever as we will pass legislation to stop funding various programs that the right relies on. We will stop federal funding for all GOP-controlled states and force them to pay their own way.

Here's what that means: government contracts only go to those who pay taxes, individuals AND corporations. No subsidies for any businesses whose owners do not pay taxes and/or do not pay taxes to the federal government as a business. A natural disaster strikes...civil services will be there for you...but you are on your own to relocate and find housing, jobs and medical care if you choose to force liberals to pay more in taxes than you.

If you do not pay for taxes...no social security or medicare for you. You get to choose your won medical insurance...if you can afford it. If not, prepare to file for bankruptcy.

And in an effort to not be totally cruel to those who don't pay taxes...we'll provide a sliding scale. The more you pay, the more you get. If you pay what you are supposed to, cool, you get all the benefits liberals will. You are paying your way.

So, yes...please...give us the power by making us the purse of the United States of America.

 

[Conservative]

Okay, but we already had them raised when the GOP pushed through entitlements for corporations and the 1%.

But hey, go ahead...thank you for giving us unlimited power.

You see, by doing that, we get to control the lobbyists, not the corporations since the money will be coming from us. We will have a direct-approach to Congress to make them do our bidding. So while you stop paying taxes, we'll pay and watch the GOP war chest dwindle and as a result (it will take a little bit of time), GOP loses both Senate and House forever.

You will lose power forever as we will pass legislation to stop funding various programs that the right relies on. We will stop federal funding for all GOP-controlled states and force them to pay their own way.

Here's what that means: government contracts only go to those who pay taxes, individuals AND corporations. No subsidies for any businesses whose owners do not pay taxes and/or do not pay taxes to the federal government as a business. A natural disaster strikes...civil services will be there for you...but you are on your own to relocate and find housing, jobs and medical care if you choose to force liberals to pay more in taxes than you.

If you do not pay for taxes...no social security or medicare for you. You get to choose your won medical insurance...if you can afford it. If not, prepare to file for bankruptcy.

And in an effort to not be totally cruel to those who don't pay taxes...we'll provide a sliding scale. The more you pay, the more you get. If you pay what you are supposed to, cool, you get all the benefits liberals will. You are paying your way.

So, yes...please...give us the power by making us the purse of the United States of America.

Another class envy, jealous individual who cannot explain how someone else or some corporation keeping more of what they earn hurts you, your family or the country? Why do you care what someone else earns or pays in taxes? You seem to have been indoctrinated well by the left, you tell me how 2.036 trillion in tax revenue to fund 1.47 trillion in discretionary spending causes deficits?

Didn't realize that did you? your liberal bureaucrats don't want you to know that the Congress has abused entitlement revenue and now wants to blame corporations and tax cuts for the deficit. that is a liberal lie

 

[Hamish Howl]

and as soon as Brexit happens we'll have one with Britain.

Britain is so ****ed.

 

[Tbird19482]

There you go again distorting data and totally ignoring that Presidents take off on January 21 of the fiscal year and become responsible for spending. Budgets are guidelines not spending proposals or appropriation bills. You also conveniently forget that Reagan, GH and GW Bush served for 20 years, Obama 8. So Obama took office in October 2009?? where did you get that information, the debt when Obama took office was 10.6 trillion of which 350 billion was TARP LOANS that were repaid after Bush left office, so 10.6 minus 350 billion is 10.2 so double would be 20.4, Obama left us with 19.9 pretty close to double, isn't it?

I find you amazingly loyal to Obama, almost like a family member or employee that worked for Obama. Why such loyalty?

Now as for the OP topic, I believe Trump did raise taxes on liberals by cutting the deductions for state and local taxes that mostly blue state liberals have been deducting fully in high liberal taxes blue states. Thank you President Trump

First of all STOP trying to change what I have said, YOU use to try and do that all the time back before you got kicked off TOPIX.
and they take over on Jan 20 not 21
So now you are subtracting the 350 B. form the debt on the day he took office
Obama put that on the debt AFTER he took office ( before you wanted to add it to the Obama debt now you want to take it off, YOU can't subtract it from the debt on Jan 20, 2009 when He didn't spend it yet.)
well again the debt was 10.6 T and X that by 2 and you get 21.2 T ( that is before the 350 B you keep talking about ) Remember you keep telling me the President takes over the debt on the day he takes over , and according to the US Treasury website it was 10.6 T
and I added the 350 B to Obama and took it off Bush seeing Obama spent it AFTER he took office. ( I don't know what more you want )
and besides I was showing that it is a Republican LIE that he ran the debt up MORE then ALL of the other Presidents COMBINED and YOU just admitted HE didn't and Reagan , Bush I Bush II ran it up MORE then he did
and as for the other Republican lie that he doubled the debt AGAIN take that 10.6 T and X it by 2 and you get 21.2 T and when Trump took over it was in the 19 T area
have a nice night