Let's be honest: Most Dems and Some Pub politicos Support Illegal Immigration and Open Borders

[independentusa]

Like half of the posters here.

He said name one, not just post more garbage. I have never met anyone, GOP or Dem that is for open borders. that is just another Trump talking point to rev up his stupid base. And what do we find, that Trump not only hires illegals for his gold courses and toher places of business, but he is constantly applying to have the government allow more immigrants in to work at his busineses. One of Trump's gold courses is being investigated for providing illegals with false documents. We will see how that goes, but apparently Trump is for open borders when he can profit from it.

 

[independentusa]

Hillary is not a liberal?

Link, other than some Alt right, that shows Hillary has said she wants open borders. Do not count DACCA's as they are already here and been here for years and had no choice in coming here. Also, even a majority of GOPers want them to have a road to citizenship.

 

[Bucky]

He said name one, not just post more garbage. I have never met anyone, GOP or Dem that is for open borders. that is just another Trump talking point to rev up his stupid base. And what do we find, that Trump not only hires illegals for his gold courses and toher places of business, but he is constantly applying to have the government allow more immigrants in to work at his busineses. One of Trump's gold courses is being investigated for providing illegals with false documents. We will see how that goes, but apparently Trump is for open borders when he can profit from it.

keith ellison supports open borders.

 

[JustHanging]

Like half of the posters here.

With Trump as their leader, is it any surprise?

President Trump has made 6,420 false or misleading claims


When you choose him to represent you and your beliefs, you're making one hell of a strong statement about your own honesty, or complete lack thereof.

 

[maxparrish]

Incentivize documentation and most of the illegals become documented workers and tax payers. Problem solved. And if you are concerned about anchor babies taking over your country then we can discuss a compromise. I'm all for compromise. Trumpco lieing about migrants to get support for a bad misdirected solution, and then shutting down the govt over it is not a compromise. Dems voted for a few compromise bills that were junked back when DACA was in crisis. They even offered to trade some wall funding and other immigration reform for daca. Opportunity lost due to a wishywashy leader and radical cons.

How pathetic is trumpco for condemning families escaping their countries he dubbed ****holes as criminals and infestations. It's unacceptable behavior from our leader and his admin.

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It's disingenuous for anyone to claim that they are against illegal immigration and open borders, and then use it as a bargaining chip (aka blackmail) to attain what they really want. If there are areas of commonality, then Schumer et. al. ought to be promoting major changes in border and visa security to end most illegal immigration.

But there are not areas of commonality - most politico dems either don't care or have a zero tolerance policy towards such efforts.

 

[OscarLevant]

Open border or "porous" border is the same.

Everybody who is not for a non-walk-through/jump-over border is subsequently for an open border ... which means almost every liberal on this board.

99% of republicans are stupid. they cannot grasp the following truth:

A non porous border is impossible. There is no physical way to put a "wall" on on every mile of our southern border because of impossible terrain and decades of eminent domain litigation. And, then we have oceans,air, beaches.

half of illegals are visa overstays with a substantial portion being Canadian. Oh, I forgot, those are white people.


Dems are winning over the racist xenophobes who now infect the GOP

 

[Barnacle]

99% of republicans are stupid. they cannot grasp the following truth:

A non porous border is impossible. There is no physical way to put a "wall" on on every mile of our southern border because of impossible terrain and decades of eminent domain litigation. And, then we have oceans,air, beaches.
half of illegals are visa overstays with a substantial portion being Canadian. Oh, I forgot, those are white people.
Dems are winning over the racist xenophobes who now infect the GOP

In 2006 and 2013 respectively, the racist dem xenophobes agreed to 700 miles of border fencing.

Racist dem xenophobes like Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Debbie Stabenow, Sherrod Brown, Durbin, Murray, Baldwin, Bennet, Blumenthal, Cantwell, Cardin, Casey, Coons, Gillibrand, Hirono, Kaine, Klobuchar, Leahy, Manchin, Menendez, Merkley, Murphy, Reed, Sanders, Shaheen, Tester, Warner, Warren, Whitehouse, etc. etc. etc., all agreed on:

"... 700 mils of fencing (including double-layer fencing), infrastructure, and technology, including at ports of entry, should be deployed along the Southern border ..."


"In 2006 Congress passed the Secure Fence Act, which mandated the construction of multilayer pedestrian fencing along about 600 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. It passed with big, bipartisan majorities: 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate. Some top Democrats who are still in the Senate today supported the fence: Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Debbie Stabenow, and Sherrod Brown.

Just the next year, Congress made clear it didn't really mean what it said. The new law was amended to make fence building optional.

In 2013, Congress got back into the fence game. The Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration reform bill included something called the "Southern Border Fencing Strategy." It called for 700 miles of at least single-layer pedestrian fencing along the border. ...

... The U.S.-Mexico border is nearly 2,000 miles long. Significant parts of it are so rugged that barriers are simply unnecessary. During the campaign, candidate Trump called for 1,000 miles of wall. " ...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...embraced-the-southern-border-fencing-strategy


How stupid 100% of the liberals are for not even knowing what the racist xenophobes in the democrat party voted on.

 

[Nemiroff]

In 2006 and 2013 respectively, the racist dem xenophobes agreed to 700 miles of border fencing.

Racist dem xenophobes like Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Debbie Stabenow, Sherrod Brown, Durbin, Murray, Baldwin, Bennet, Blumenthal, Cantwell, Cardin, Casey, Coons, Gillibrand, Hirono, Kaine, Klobuchar, Leahy, Manchin, Menendez, Merkley, Murphy, Reed, Sanders, Shaheen, Tester, Warner, Warren, Whitehouse, etc. etc. etc., all agreed on:

"... 700 mils of fencing (including double-layer fencing), infrastructure, and technology, including at ports of entry, should be deployed along the Southern border ..."


"In 2006 Congress passed the Secure Fence Act, which mandated the construction of multilayer pedestrian fencing along about 600 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. It passed with big, bipartisan majorities: 283 votes in the House and 80 in the Senate. Some top Democrats who are still in the Senate today supported the fence: Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Debbie Stabenow, and Sherrod Brown.

Just the next year, Congress made clear it didn't really mean what it said. The new law was amended to make fence building optional.

In 2013, Congress got back into the fence game. The Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration reform bill included something called the "Southern Border Fencing Strategy." It called for 700 miles of at least single-layer pedestrian fencing along the border. ...

... The U.S.-Mexico border is nearly 2,000 miles long. Significant parts of it are so rugged that barriers are simply unnecessary. During the campaign, candidate Trump called for 1,000 miles of wall. " ...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...embraced-the-southern-border-fencing-strategy


How stupid 100% of the liberals are for not even knowing what the racist xenophobes in the democrat party voted on.

Was that fencing in specific areas that needed it? Did the dems actually want it or was this part of a compromise deal? You know that thing congress is supposed to do?

Do you know the answers to either of these questions or what reading things or of context means? Can you pull up an old quote of chuck supporting it? I doubt it. Nothing but hot air

 

[independentusa]

keith ellison supports open borders.

Link please, and not some right wing blog

 

[independentusa]

Hillary is not a liberal?

Hillary is a moderate Dem, Sanders is a liberal or progressive Dem. Of course to most Trump cultists, anyone left of Hitler was a liberal.

 

[Bucky]

Link please, and not some right wing blog

Democratic Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison, the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), claimed on Wednesday that America’s national borders create “an injustice” by keeping Mexican workers from traveling to the United States to look for higher-paying jobs.

Ellison claimed in an interview with progressive activist Rabbi Michael Lerner that America’s “prosperity is based on the want that is experienced in other parts of the world” and complained that “people, regular people, cannot go back and forth across the border seeking out the highest wages.” (RELATED: Keith Ellison Wears T-Shirt Calling For Open Borders)

https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/18/keith-ellison-national-borders-injustice/

He has made it clear he is against borders and walls.

 

[independentusa]

It's disingenuous for anyone to claim that they are against illegal immigration and open borders, and then use it as a bargaining chip (aka blackmail) to attain what they really want. If there are areas of commonality, then Schumer et. al. ought to be promoting major changes in border and visa security to end most illegal immigration.

But there are not areas of commonality - most politico dems either don't care or have a zero tolerance policy towards such efforts.

Please supply a link that supports your claim that most "liberals" don't care. Any legitimate poll will do.

 

[ecofarm]

"Let's be honest. My boogeyman is real."

haha

 

[maxparrish]

Please supply a link that supports your claim that most "liberals" don't care. Any legitimate poll will do.

I didn't claim anything regarding most liberals not caring. I stated (bolded and underscored for emphasis):

"But there are not areas of commonality - most politico dems either don't care or have a zero tolerance policy towards such efforts.

Should you grasp the meaning of "politico dems" and the meaning of the words "either" and "or" you won't miss it - if you can't grasp, no point in continuing.

 

[blarg]

In every discussion of immigration in this forum, be it "the wall", asylum, or enforcement - one side is for promoting and protecting illegal conduct and some form of open borders, and the other is not.

Yes...yes... I am sure the squeals of denial from Dems and the left with be forthcoming, followed by a bottomless well of excuses for non-enforcement of the law and the defense of illegal aliens will be advanced - but let's be honest, actions speak far louder than words - at least in the last 15 to 20 years those actions have underscored the pro-immigrant lobby as mostly charlatans, flim-flamming grifters and useful idiots determined to do what they can to erase US sovereignty and resistance to unlimited migration.

For many years Democrats and some Republicans tried to at least portray themselves as tough on border security and illegal immigration, even as they insisted that border enforcement was negotiable in trade for amnesty, increased chain migration, and much higher quotas of legal immigration. On occasion they have slipped, such as Hillary in 2013 when she talked about her dream of open borders, but more often than not the talk was not the walk - quite the opposite (well at least until they demanded ICE be abolished).

To be fair, there are a few unhappy voices on the left that confess that the Democratic party has abandoned the interests of the heritage working class, and joined the Koch brothers libertarian right in squealing for "MORE"; left authors such as Peter Beinert, Angela Nagle, and Mickey Kaus acknowledge it. And in the meantime, cloistered liberal academics such as Joseph Carens and others busy themselves sermonizing on theories as to why open borders is the only just direction to immigration reform. But by an large the cover story is no longer plausible.

Surely the rest of us can be honest, honest not only too each other but to oneself. Be it Pelosi, Schumer, or the hundreds of towns and communities politicians that have declared themselves sanctuary cities (including mostly white and blue communities) the actions send one overwhelming din "Don't enforce the law and open the borders".

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/

im for letting most every one in except violent criminals could we just focus on keeping out and removing those

whats the heritage class ****?

 

[blarg]

Stop lying.
Name one liberal member here on DP who is for open borders.
You can't, because there aren't any.

hello

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

hello

Oh wow, one.
Whoop de doo.

 

[blarg]

Oh wow, one.
Whoop de doo.

enough whoop to bother you i can see

but to be fair im against violent criminals being given a free pass so maybe i don't count everyone else is fine with me though

 

[blarg]

Stop lying.
Name one liberal member here on DP who is for open borders.
You can't, because there aren't any.

do you need 2 or 3 what number do you want?

 

[Idiometer]

In every discussion of immigration in this forum, be it "the wall", asylum, or enforcement - one side is for promoting and protecting illegal conduct and some form of open borders, and the other is not.

Yes...yes... I am sure the squeals of denial from Dems and the left with be forthcoming, followed by a bottomless well of excuses for non-enforcement of the law and the defense of illegal aliens will be advanced - but let's be honest, actions speak far louder than words - at least in the last 15 to 20 years those actions have underscored the pro-immigrant lobby as mostly charlatans, flim-flamming grifters and useful idiots determined to do what they can to erase US sovereignty and resistance to unlimited migration.

For many years Democrats and some Republicans tried to at least portray themselves as tough on border security and illegal immigration, even as they insisted that border enforcement was negotiable in trade for amnesty, increased chain migration, and much higher quotas of legal immigration. On occasion they have slipped, such as Hillary in 2013 when she talked about her dream of open borders, but more often than not the talk was not the walk - quite the opposite (well at least until they demanded ICE be abolished).

To be fair, there are a few unhappy voices on the left that confess that the Democratic party has abandoned the interests of the heritage working class, and joined the Koch brothers libertarian right in squealing for "MORE"; left authors such as Peter Beinert, Angela Nagle, and Mickey Kaus acknowledge it. And in the meantime, cloistered liberal academics such as Joseph Carens and others busy themselves sermonizing on theories as to why open borders is the only just direction to immigration reform. But by an large the cover story is no longer plausible.

Surely the rest of us can be honest, honest not only too each other but to oneself. Be it Pelosi, Schumer, or the hundreds of towns and communities politicians that have declared themselves sanctuary cities (including mostly white and blue communities) the actions send one overwhelming din "Don't enforce the law and open the borders".

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-democrats-immigration-mistake/528678/
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/

The only group supporting open borders are the Libertarians. Is part of their official platform.

And the only people who favor illegal immigration are businesses eager for cheap labor.

The rest is rhetoric, nothing more.

 

[Idiometer]

When you say "fix immigration" do you mean legalize immigrant invasions so illegals will not have to sneak in? How is that going to help this country pay the huge costs of caring for the poor, the homeless, the unemployed, the sick and dying and so forth that accompanies illegal immigration?

Invasions ... you really believe that crap? Trumpanzees are such timid creatures, so easily scared.

 

[Idiometer]

keith ellison supports open borders.

Prove that, please.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

do you need 2 or 3 what number do you want?

I want you to explain how so called "open borders" are supposed to work.
Be detailed, as if you're a lawmaker proposing it to Congress.

Support your arguments fully.

 

[blarg]

I want you to explain how so called "open borders" are supposed to work.
Be detailed, as if you're a lawmaker proposing it to Congress.

Support your arguments fully.

gosh dont even no how are restricted ones work

i guess let any one who submits a background check in and detaining people caught here until they can pass one

 

[blarg]

I want you to explain how so called "open borders" are supposed to work.
Be detailed, as if you're a lawmaker proposing it to Congress.

Support your arguments fully.

so what number besides 1 did you want? you never said