Let’s call it like it is. Trump admin has killed thousands from incompetence.

[dcaraz]

we should compare understanding of the US political system and politics as they are practiced currently in the USA.

Glad to:

One major political party spends its time, efforts and resources
providing tax breaks that enrich the wealthiest Americans and largest corporations while increasing the federal deficit by a trillion dollars, increasing barriers to voting,
slandering the other major party as anti-American, anti-Christian, in favor of killing babies and willing to allow Hispanic rapists and drug pushers to enter the US at will
to take good American jobs, and welfare benefits.

The other major party spends just as much time and effort and resources
attempting to protect the constitution from presidential abuses, urging cooperation with our allies, proposing legislation that protects affordable healthcare to more citizens,
protects encroachment on citizens' rights to vote, and social harm from corporate abuses.

 

[Moderate Right]

How can you make this up? What "results have been better?" for the US.

WE lead the wealthy nations in media news reports about an insane incompetent liar who as Commander in Chief failed to command, failed to act and failed to lead.
WE lead in confirmed cases, deaths, and the number of unconfirmed infections. What else?
Oh, I'm sure we lead in ICU beds filled, and ventilator usage, and perhaps infected health care professionals due to our lack of protective gear.

Ummmmmmmmmm, it's not made up.

• Coronavirus deaths per million by country | Statista

Several of the larger free world countries are doing much worse than the US.

 

[Indie guy]

Are you aware that part of that reduction is the result of social distancing?

In other words people aren't all cooped up together indoors in the warmer months, so spread slows.

Look it up, don't take my word for it.

The More You Know...

What part of the world do you live in? Maybe you're not aware that summers are so hot in some parts of the USA and the world that people are cooped up inside.

I lived in Las Vegas and Phoenix for a while - 2 cities that can get awfully scorching, and that keeps many people indoors because it's safer to be in an air-conditioned atmosphere than outside in 110-degree heat.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

you're lying. While I will vote for Trump again, I noted I voted against him in our primary in 2016 and said his constant twittering is idiotic. I have also criticized some of his appointments (Sessions was a disaster) and I ripped him up on the bump stock nonsense. Your posts, on the other hand, are monolithic irrational complaints about everything and anything Trump does.

You're lying. While I will again not vote for Trump, I did give him the benefit of the doubt when he was first elected despite his poor track record as a human being and a businessman. I have also praised Trump in the past, and I praised him for not firing Mueller. Your posts, on the other hand, are an endless stream of irrational complaints about everything and anything the Democratic Party does, and your lackluster criticism of Trump is always about Trump or one of his appointments not being extreme enough on your favorite issues. And let's cut the crap, when you talk about Sessions being a disaster, like all Trump cultists do, what you really mean is Sessions didn't do enough to destroy the Constitution in defense of Trump.

 

[KevinKohler]

Bad bet, You lose. America wins!
There are easily several dozen US politicians, including women and men from both parties, from governors, senators and congresspersons, and several mayors,
who most certainly would have acted more proactively in protecting the Homeland. I know I would have!

Many others would have listened to their intell agencies, the NIH, the CDC & the WHO.
Trump chose to tell us that it was a big media and Dem hoax that would evaporate in April. His stupidity has cost what percentage of the 61, 717 US dead so far?

And Hillary is one of them?

 

[Threegoofs]

And Hillary is one of them?

 

[Razoo]

I don’t think this point should be taken lightly.

This pandemic could not be avoided, but it could have been headed off at the pass and controlled.

We had a lot of time to prepare and the US is still currently the wealthiest nation on earth, so resources were ample.

But..

If you look at the numbers, the death-count 4/28/20 in countries that took prompt, aggressive action:

S. Korea: 244
Japan: 385
Hong Kong: 4
Taiwan: 6
NZ 19

The US where Trump called COVID-19 a hoax & ignored it for 70 days, threatened to fire officials who warned about the impending pandemic, actively discouraged development and deployment of widespread testing (and STILL is behind!) and faces huge deficit of PPE and masks.

US Death Toll From COVID on 4/28: 57,000 and climbing by over 1000 per day.

This is a total fiasco, and the government- even now(!) has no plan to contain this outside of the hammer of social distancing. No massive test ramp up yet (unless you believe Mike Pence, which we all have been burned by), no comprehensive plan of testing, researching contacts and isolating new cases, etc.

This is all setting us up for a year of economic failure- because without testing and contact tracing/isolation, we will just stagger on thru starting and stopping stay at home orders, this further destroying the economy.

Yes- it’s expensive getting testing off the ground on a massive scale, but it’s not going to cost the trillions that were lost by shutting down the economy. And it’s a myth that it can just magically reopen again, since customers tend not to patronize businesses that have a small chance of killing them.

The virus might be an Act of God, but the incompetent response has made it much, much worse.

The GOP was wanting a door to open in order for Trump to declare an emergency so he can stay in office and take our voting rights away .......

Never ever vote republican = the anti American Party

 

[TurtleDude]

You're lying. While I will again not vote for Trump, I did give him the benefit of the doubt when he was first elected despite his poor track record as a human being and a businessman. I have also praised Trump in the past, and I praised him for not firing Mueller. Your posts, on the other hand, are an endless stream of irrational complaints about everything and anything the Democratic Party does, and your lackluster criticism of Trump is always about Trump or one of his appointments not being extreme enough on your favorite issues. And let's cut the crap, when you talk about Sessions being a disaster, like all Trump cultists do, what you really mean is Sessions didn't do enough to destroy the Constitution in defense of Trump.

you certainly aren't reading my posts if you make those inane claims

 

[TurtleDude]

Glad to:

One major political party spends its time, efforts and resources
providing tax breaks that enrich the wealthiest Americans and largest corporations while increasing the federal deficit by a trillion dollars, increasing barriers to voting,
slandering the other major party as anti-American, anti-Christian, in favor of killing babies and willing to allow Hispanic rapists and drug pushers to enter the US at will
to take good American jobs, and welfare benefits.

The other major party spends just as much time and effort and resources
attempting to protect the constitution from presidential abuses, urging cooperation with our allies, proposing legislation that protects affordable healthcare to more citizens,
protects encroachment on citizens' rights to vote, and social harm from corporate abuses.

that is partisan drivel and sounds like a paid political advertisement.

 

[Threegoofs]

In another example of stunning incompetence, Mike Pence showed up to Mayo Clinic and toured it without a mask, despite the Mayo policy (and his own freaking recommendations from the ****ING TASK FORCE HE IS HEADING) and his wife went on Fox News to explain.


https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1255854603410817026?s=21


She’s obviously lying, and the State TV anchor didnt bother with follow up questions to this obvious planted query. How the he’ll could Pence not know when literally EVERYONE around him was masked, and he was in a freaking hospital?

The guy either is completely incompetent, or just doesn’t care... or both. None of those options are characteristics of the guy I want to lead a task force on this pandemic.

 

[Threegoofs]

People here were whining about how I didnt list enough points showing incompetence.

How about this?

They cant get enough ****ing tests to test each US SENATOR regularly!


Capitol physician says Senate lacks capacity to test all senators - POLITICO

Greatest public health failure in history.

 

[KevinKohler]

Totally relevant. Our choices were Hillary or Trump. Trump sucks, so...would Hillary have been any better? If so, how and why, in your opinion?

 

[ecofarm]

Totally relevant. Our choices were Hillary or Trump. Trump sucks, so...would Hillary have been any better? If so, how and why, in your opinion?

Of course she would have been better. She's not a completely moronic idiot.

 

[Integrityrespec]

I don’t think this point should be taken lightly.

This pandemic could not be avoided, but it could have been headed off at the pass and controlled.

We had a lot of time to prepare and the US is still currently the wealthiest nation on earth, so resources were ample.

But..

If you look at the numbers, the death-count 4/28/20 in countries that took prompt, aggressive action:

S. Korea: 244
Japan: 385
Hong Kong: 4
Taiwan: 6
NZ 19

The US where Trump called COVID-19 a hoax & ignored it for 70 days, threatened to fire officials who warned about the impending pandemic, actively discouraged development and deployment of widespread testing (and STILL is behind!) and faces huge deficit of PPE and masks.

US Death Toll From COVID on 4/28: 57,000 and climbing by over 1000 per day.

This is a total fiasco, and the government- even now(!) has no plan to contain this outside of the hammer of social distancing. No massive test ramp up yet (unless you believe Mike Pence, which we all have been burned by), no comprehensive plan of testing, researching contacts and isolating new cases, etc.

This is all setting us up for a year of economic failure- because without testing and contact tracing/isolation, we will just stagger on thru starting and stopping stay at home orders, this further destroying the economy.

Yes- it’s expensive getting testing off the ground on a massive scale, but it’s not going to cost the trillions that were lost by shutting down the economy. And it’s a myth that it can just magically reopen again, since customers tend not to patronize businesses that have a small chance of killing them.

The virus might be an Act of God, but the incompetent response has made it much, much worse.

Why aren't you showing countries like Italy on your list?

 

[Mashmont]

Of course she would have been better. She's not a completely moronic idiot.

Hillary was an incompetent door mat. She's an ignoramus. She never achieved anything as Senator. She's a dishonest crook. Everybody hates her guts. She would have been horrible and inept as president. Thank you, God, for not allowing her in that important position, and giving the job to the great and capable Donald Trump!

 

[Threegoofs]

Why aren't you showing countries like Italy on your list?

Maybe you should, yanno, read the OP.

 

[Threegoofs]

And now, to cap off the incompetence, it looks like the Feds have basically given up on controlling this, and are just going to pretend its not happening.

They now expect to have 100K deaths. But that total only goes thru May. We can probably expect 1000 deaths/day for the summer, I guess.

That 1MM number in total doesnt look to crazy anymore.