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Leggings, And their Poor Poor Victims - BOYS

Dacke said:
Never did I claim otherwise. However, Americans are notoriously known for their lack of proper etiquette. Take something as simple as eating - Americans hold the fork in their right hand and that it is just something that should never happen! :lol:


We live in the present.


I never said no one does it. i just pointed out that it is one of many fashion faux pas.


Lol. :D
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As long as the food reaches the right place, I have no argument even with those who prefer fingers.

To ignore history....

One man's faux pas is another's joie de vivre.

Etiquette rules are for those who never fit in, but desire fitting in more than anything else in their lives. That guy who always stands alone at parties.
 
Babykat said:
So it would be ok for you to be friends with a witch and have them over to your house for a social dinner.


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I choose who my close associates wisely...I have no desire to associate with a witch...Mark 3:35; 1 Corinthians 15:33; Romans 16:17,18
 
That girls got more than the law should allow!
 
Elvira said:
I choose who my close associates wisely...I have no desire to associate with a witch...Mark 3:35; 1 Corinthians 15:33; Romans 16:17,18
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Uh oh! Shirley MacLaine is chanting your name and casting spells. ;)
 
Dragonfly said:
This has been in the news, so here's the letter from the Catholic mother of four boys:

The legging problem // The Observer
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*sigh* Pretty much the same refrain of men and their mothers in the more fundamentalist Muslim countries..."dont tempt me, I cant be held responsible for my actions! It's not my fault you look like that! I shouldnt have to control my eyes and emotions...you women need to!" :roll:
 
Dacke said:
Never did I claim otherwise. However, Americans are notoriously known for their lack of proper etiquette. Take something as simple as eating - Americans hold the fork in their right hand and that it is just something that should never happen! :lol:


We live in the present.


I never said no one does it. i just pointed out that it is one of many fashion faux pas.


Lol. :D
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Seriously? Is this a threat to civilization as we know it?
 
Dacke said:
Of course, it is easy to just turn this article into a joke and laugh at it, but I actually think the author makes some valid points and adds some valid micro-criticism to a socio-cultural problem that if of a larger, macro-size - Oversexualisation, promiscuity and the decline of self-respect.
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Is it a lack of self-respect that leads women to wear tights?
 
Dacke said:
Of course, it is easy to just turn this article into a joke and laugh at it, but I actually think the author makes some valid points and adds some valid micro-criticism to a socio-cultural problem that if of a larger, macro-size - Oversexualisation, promiscuity and the decline of self-respect.
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with all respect, please.

this statement is out ridiculous
 
Lursa said:
Is it a lack of self-respect that leads women to wear tights?
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My grandfather would often tell me, my generation did nothing different than his generation, and those prior. They merely didn't speak about it in public as much, rather preferring to enjoy themselves instead of talking. He never stopped eyeballing attractive women, and reached a point whereby he found all women attractive.

His brother travelled between cabaret Berlin and flapper Paris during the '20's, with side trips to the bohemian sections of London. His diaries are filled with the promiscuous tales of the affairs of men and women, in threesomes, serial seductions of all sorts, between men and women, men and men, women and women, married and unmarried. Microcosms of the world at large. He married two women simultaneously, the three migrating to the US just prior to WWII and they lived together for another 40 years. When he died, the two women remained together for the rest of their lives, encouraging their children and grandchildren to never stop enjoying the sensualities of life, a gift from god.
 
noonereal said:
or 80's, 90's or 2000's

nyc city people worse black jeans not blue jeans
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Levi's first jeans were black. Only when the US Marines ordered dungarees from them did they start making blue jeans during the 1890's. Virginia cloth, around long before Levi's patent as denim in the 1870's, was often made in shades of red, black, grey and blue, being a thick weave suitable for manual work wear while allowing for air flow. It was the greaser subculture of the 1950's which made them popular for teenagers.
 
Bum said:
And you would be very wrong; I would and do support their right to wear it, just not the ideology behind it.....do not conflate my supporting a citizens right with supporting their beliefs.

As for this:



No...just, no.


All of the above is the sole responsibility of the individual.....blaming "over sexualization" ranks right up there with the mind set of those who will not accept responsibility for their own actions.


I can understand dogs and cattle acting on their sexual impulses, but if you are taking the stance that humans cannot ( true mental illness not withstanding ) control the impulse to start humping at the drop of a hat, or against the will of a woman, you need to back up and re-evaluate yourself.
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Yeah, what was I thinking by assuming humans can't often control their sexual urges. It's not like rape or sexual assault are even a thing...

And I don't see how pointing out the correlation between certain behaviour/clothing means I'm blaming the victim. That doesn't stand up to any form of logical consistency. If the police tell me that leaving my door unlocked increases my chances of being robbed, are they being robbery apologists? If a doctor tells me that smoking increases my chance of cancer, is he supporting cancer? When the left claims that terrorism isn't the fault of twisted ideologies but rather due to foreign intervention by the West, does that make them terrorist apologists?

The sad fact is that humans are animalistic like any other species, and rapists unfortunately are out there. Choosing to ignore this and sweep it under the rug only puts the blame for the problem on you. Something tells me your approach to this issue would change drastically if someone you loved got raped.
 
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Crusader13 said:
And, perhaps completely by coincidence, pornography addiction, rape, divorce rates, STD's, and sexual assault have all skyrocketed since then, despite the marvel of modern technology doing everything to control them. Make of that what you will. The fact is that believing the sexual revolution is responsible for these things is definitely credible so to pretend you've got some moral or logical highground by ignoring the connection only makes you look ignorant. To the contrary, recognizing that something is bad but still respecting someone's right to do it is a good thing. I would never stop anyone short of my daughter from dressing provocatively in public, but to pretend that this behavior hasn't come with negative effects is dangerously close-minded. In the same way free speech does not mean freedom from consequences, the freedom to wear what you want also does not mean freedom from consequences (unfortunately). For women those consequences will sadly be social stigma, objectification, disrespect, and worst of all the lure of unwanted and potentially violent sexual attention. I've worked with women who suffered from sexual assault and rape and they tend to share this view. Many of them are never able to feel the confidence to express themselves sexually again as they realize it was this provocative attitude which very likely contributed to them being targeted. It's tragic. A 21 year old going the rest of her life depressed and afraid of sexual expression is a terrible thing, and until we can find a way to completely eliminate rape it will always be a very real risk. Ignoring this problem because you're petrified of traditional, religious thinking is deplorable. The only difference is the perception of the person viewing it. There is no right or wrong opinion. That's the whole point of diversity. Some people may consider the negative effects of the sexual revolution as bad as the Holocaust. I personally don't, but I would not pretend that my belief is more superior to another person's. That's pure narcissism and bigotry.
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Since when and what 'skyrocket'???? You make wild, and broad claims but the simple fact is YOU perpetuate the bad stereotypes. What a woman wears doesn't permit men to rape them. You can try and keep your daughter from wearing certain clothes but you have no idea what she changes into at a friend's house and of course you have absolutely no right to dictate to anyone else what they can wear so that whole spiel is meaningless.... :roll:

I'm not so sure if your 'help' is true help for sexual assault victims. Brain washing them into believing how they dressed or how others dress was a major factor in the assault isn't help. I don't think you have much knowledge of the past, old movies where the brainless blonde 'bombshell' got a slap on the ass while sent to get the menfolk drinks...

How can you claim there is no right or wrong about Nazi or KKK uniform but insist there is a right or wrong for what triggers sexual assault???

Again you attempt the- I don't compare the sexual revolution to the Holocaust but 'others do' is a sad little dodge since everything above that line says you do.... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
Since when and what 'skyrocket'???? You make wild, and broad claims but the simple fact is YOU perpetuate the bad stereotypes. What a woman wears doesn't permit men to rape them. You can try and keep your daughter from wearing certain clothes but you have no idea what she changes into at a friend's house and of course you have absolutely no right to dictate to anyone else what they can wear so that whole spiel is meaningless.... :roll:

I'm not so sure if your 'help' is true help for sexual assault victims. Brain washing them into believing how they dressed or how others dress was a major factor in the assault isn't help. I don't think you have much knowledge of the past, old movies where the brainless blonde 'bombshell' got a slap on the ass while sent to get the menfolk drinks...

How can you claim there is no right or wrong about Nazi or KKK uniform but insist there is a right or wrong for what triggers sexual assault???

Again you attempt the- I don't compare the sexual revolution to the Holocaust but 'others do' is a sad little dodge since everything above that line says you do.... :peace
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No, provocative clothing does not permit men to rape women. But guess what? It encourages them to do it. It's unfortunate, but it's the sad, twisted way rapists operate. You can either acknowledge this and try to find ways around it or continue to ignore it out of utter fear of traditional morals.

I'm not brainwashing anyone, and frankly your attempt to downplay my service is just detestable. I do it because women I've loved have been raped and I understand that for these women, seeing a good man tell them it's OK can mean a lot to helping them trust men again. But the unfortunate fact is that rape occurs due to sexual frustration and fantasies by some disturbed individuals. Clothing designed specifically to incite sexual interest and draw attention definitely plays a role in that.

Like I asked before, is it victim shaming when the left blames terrorism on Western politics? Are the police robbery apologists for telling me that not locking my door at night (which is my right) is why I'm getting robbed all the time?
 
Dragonfly said:
This has been in the news, so here's the letter from the Catholic mother of four boys:

The legging problem // The Observer



Our Catholic sons need to be protected from girls wearing leggings. :lamo


And the awesome response:
She told them leggings were too suggestive, so they wore them in protest - CNN



ALL HAIL WOMEN IN LEGGINGS!!!!!

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As a “poor victim” for years, I must comment. Female fashions have, since at least the 1960s, become more and more, um, interesting. I remember the innocent days: my aunt saying that it was considered cheap if a woman wore high heels with pants; I remember the arrival of the miniskirt, when spike heels got lower, because you couldn’t wear stilettos with short skirts, could you? That didn’t last. Then I remember seeing a woman outside my office in a leotard, which in my youth would be covered with a skirt, but hers wasn’t. Is that what’s happening now?, I thought. God be praised. Then came the advent of slit skirts, which used to be worn by hookers under street lamps. Now it’s leggings or yoga pants, just begging for a swat. Guys don’t have a chance.
 
I'm already on record as saying my wife has a gorgeous derriere.
If there is one good side effect of having muscle spasms, it's that it keeps you in good shape, and twenty years of them have left her legs looking like a dancer's despite not being able to walk.

The leggings she wears almost exclusively serve several purposes, one that she can wear them, look in the mirror and feel good about her looks, two she certainly knows that I enjoy them, and of course the third and most important purpose, sheer practicality...it is very easy to slip on a pair of leggings, whereas it's a ten minute alligator wrestling match trying to put on a pair of jeans or slacks.

So for wifey, it's either her leggings or a comfy skirt.

PS: She has a few sets of leggings that look exactly like blue jeans. Those are AWESOME!!
 
bearpoker said:
Leggings can also be worn in place of hosiery. My daughter wears them under dresses.
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Yep, several girls I coach go to a catholic school where they wear plaid kilts. These three girls usually wear leggings so when they come to practice-they just lose the kilts and change shoes. Its sort of standard operating procedure.
 
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