Leggings, And their Poor Poor Victims - BOYS

[TheGoverness]

Or.....you can just let people wear what they choose and get on with your own life as it does not affect anyone except in their own minds.

But, Im kinda radical like that.

Ooooh, the horror.

 

[TheGoverness]

I have no problem with women wearing anything but I can accept why some people would. After all, I'm sure you wouldn't support someone's right to wear a KKK or Nazi uniform in public. Even if it may be legal, it's a toxic, and self-endangering thing to do and should not be encouraged or glorified.

Leggings are in no way comparable to KKK or Nazi uniforms. :roll:

That's complete lunacy.

 

[Crusader13]

Leggings are in no way comparable to KKK or Nazi uniforms. :roll:

That's complete lunacy.

Maybe not to you, but the idea of a free society is that people re allowed to think differently, and many do see leggings as just as evil as KKK or Nazi uniforms. It might seem normal to you but that's subjective. People raised in strict religious communities or older people who grew up under traditional, modest values are not as impressed as you are by leggings.

 

[Dragonfly]

But it does affect people. The culture of over-sexualisation is solely responsible for the tremendous tragedies we're seeing today - abortion, abandoned children, high divorce rates, broken families, AIDS, rape, violence and sexual assault against women, and so on. It's foolish to simply pass this off as an individuals fashion choice when those choices are part of a culture that is completely detrimental to society.

Yes - women having freedom is destroying the USofA.

Aaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................

 

[TheGoverness]

Maybe not to you, but the idea of a free society is that people re allowed to think differently, and many do see leggings as just as evil as KKK or Nazi uniforms. It might seem normal to you but that's subjective. People raised in strict religious communities or older people who grew up under traditional, modest values are not as impressed as you are by leggings.

Thankfully for me, I am not a crazy religious person, or an old fool stuck in the social climate of the 50's.

And I never implied thar nobody could think differently from me. People can think whatever the hell they want. The fools that think leggings are akin to KKK uniforms are idiots, and I have no qualms about calling them such.

 

[calamity]

Maybe not to you, but the idea of a free society is that people re allowed to think differently, and many do see leggings as just as evil as KKK or Nazi uniforms. It might seem normal to you but that's subjective. People raised in strict religious communities or older people who grew up under traditional, modest values are not as impressed as you are by leggings.

Wtf??

 

[TheGoverness]

Wtf??

Crazy people b crazy.

 

[Crusader13]

Yes - women having freedom is destroying the USofA.

Aaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................

That's not what I said, but nice try. That's like insinuating that anyone who thinks white supremacists are destroying the country also thinks that men having freedom is destroying the country. You're conflating two very different things.

Thankfully for me, I am not a crazy religious person, or an old fool stuck in the social climate of the 50's.

Everybody is stupid and crazy according to someone. The people you call 'crazy religious old fools' see you as the crazy person. Your opinion and beliefs are no more valid than theirs. Yes you're allowed to say or think whatever you want but don't go pretending that what you say or think is somehow more correct than what someone else does. That's the anathema of diversity and freedom.

 

[Babykat]

I remember watching a video where this fellow was talking about men wearing tight pants. He actually believed it was a conspiracy perpetrated by gay men so they could ogle all the straight men wearing them


It was really strange and kind of gave away where his mind is when he sees a dude wearing tight pants.

Some guy named Anthony Morris who's some high up in the watch tower organization.

I think some of these people had their damn minds in the gutter.

So he is a Jehovah’s Witness that makes sense. When I was a JW I was told that witches wanted to have sex with virgins and then sacrifice them.


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[notquiteright]

But it does affect people. The culture of over-sexualisation is solely responsible for the tremendous tragedies we're seeing today - abortion, abandoned children, high divorce rates, broken families, AIDS, rape, violence and sexual assault against women, and so on. It's foolish to simply pass this off as an individuals fashion choice when those choices are part of a culture that is completely detrimental to society. I have no problem with women wearing anything but I can accept why some people would. After all, I'm sure you wouldn't support someone's right to wear a KKK or Nazi uniform in public. Even if it may be legal, it's a toxic, and self-endangering thing to do and should not be encouraged or glorified.

Your lament has been used ever since the first Puritan Woman unbuttoned the top button of her blouse while tending the family garden one hot summer morning.... :roll:

Having been on this earth for a few decades now I don't think any laundry list of social problems you recite has a sole cause. But you contradict yourself- how can someone, in good faith, see such a moral collapse of our society by what women wear AND claim you have no problem with it????

If you can't see the difference between wearing the uniform of a genocidal or racist movement and a tight pair of leggings perhaps you should always make sure someone else approves what you wear out in public... eace

 

[TheGoverness]

Your lament has been used ever since the first Puritan Woman unbuttoned the top button of her blouse while tending the family garden one hot summer morning.... :roll:

Having been on this earth for a few decades now I don't think any laundry list of social problems you recite has a sole cause. But you contradict yourself- how can someone, in good faith, see such a moral collapse of our society by what women wear AND claim you have no problem with it????

If you can't see the difference between wearing the uniform of a genocidal or racist movement and a tight pair of leggings perhaps you should always make sure someone else approves what you wear out in public... eace

Of course he has a problem with it. A lot of people that say that just to save face.

 

[Dragonfly]

When I was a JW I was told that witches wanted to have sex with virgins and then sacrifice them.

:shock:

Seriously?

 

[TheGoverness]

Everybody is stupid and crazy according to someone. The people you call 'crazy religious old fools' see you as the crazy person.

I couldn't care less what the crazy religious nutters of the world think of me, or the rest of us sane individuals that don't have a problem with women wearing leggings. Thankfully, those types are dying out as time goes on, and inevitable social progress is made. That's why almost nobody listens to those types of people anymore.

 

[Crusader13]

Your lament has been used ever since the first Puritan Woman unbuttoned the top button of her blouse while tending the family garden one hot summer morning.... :roll:

And, perhaps completely by coincidence, pornography addiction, rape, divorce rates, STD's, and sexual assault have all skyrocketed since then, despite the marvel of modern technology doing everything to control them. Make of that what you will. The fact is that believing the sexual revolution is responsible for these things is definitely credible so to pretend you've got some moral or logical highground by ignoring the connection only makes you look ignorant.

But you contradict yourself- how can someone, in good faith, see such a moral collapse of our society by what women wear AND claim you have no problem with it????

To the contrary, recognizing that something is bad but still respecting someone's right to do it is a good thing.

I would never stop anyone short of my daughter from dressing provocatively in public, but to pretend that this behavior hasn't come with negative effects is dangerously close-minded. In the same way free speech does not mean freedom from consequences, the freedom to wear what you want also does not mean freedom from consequences (unfortunately). For women those consequences will sadly be social stigma, objectification, disrespect, and worst of all the lure of unwanted and potentially violent sexual attention.

I've worked with women who suffered from sexual assault and rape and they tend to share this view. Many of them are never able to feel the confidence to express themselves sexually again as they realize it was this provocative attitude which very likely contributed to them being targeted. It's tragic. A 21 year old going the rest of her life depressed and afraid of sexual expression is a terrible thing, and until we can find a way to completely eliminate rape it will always be a very real risk. Ignoring this problem because you're petrified of traditional, religious thinking is deplorable.

If you can't see the difference between wearing the uniform of a genocidal or racist movement and a tight pair of leggings perhaps you should always make sure someone else approves what you wear out in public... eace

The only difference is the perception of the person viewing it. There is no right or wrong opinion. That's the whole point of diversity. Some people may consider the negative effects of the sexual revolution as bad as the Holocaust. I personally don't, but I would not pretend that my belief is more superior to another person's. That's pure narcissism and bigotry.

 

[Dacke]

Not to be autistic or anything, but isn't the intended purpose of leggings to serve as some form of undergarment? And they are not to be confused with "running tights" that are intended for training as they provide compression and sweat handling?

I am super pretentious when it comes how people dress in public and am of the belief that anyone who wears sweatpants, running tights or leggings in public, ought to be put in some sort of facility.

Joke aside, it shows a lack of manners and class.

 

[TheGoverness]

For young women those consequences will unfortunately be social stigma, objectification, disrespect, and even the attraction of unwanted and potentially violent sexual attention.

Hooray, it's a rape apologist!

 

[TheGoverness]

Not to be autistic or anything, but isn't the intended purpose of leggings to serve as some form of undergarment? And they are not to be confused with "running tights" that are intended for training as they provide compression and sweat handling?

I am super pretentious when it comes how people dress in public and am of the belief that anyone who wears sweatpants, running tights or leggings in public, ought to be put in some sort of facility.

Joke aside, it shows a lack of manners and class.

I'm more comfortable with people wearing leggings or sweatpants, than I am seeing people wearing socks with sandals.

STOP IT. STOP IT NOW. :2razz:

 

[Babykat]

:shock:

Seriously?

Yes seriously. Once I quite being one I discovered how stupid that was.


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[Dacke]

I'm more comfortable with people wearing leggings or sweatpants, than I am seeing people wearing socks with sandals.

STOP IT. STOP IT NOW. :2razz:

Socks with sandals is the same kind of blasphemy as wearing leggings in public spaces is. in fact, wearing sandals even without socks anywhere else but a beach or your own backyard is grotesque.

 

[bearpoker]

But it does affect people. The culture of over-sexualisation is solely responsible for the tremendous tragedies we're seeing today - abortion, abandoned children, high divorce rates, broken families, AIDS, rape, violence and sexual assault against women, and so on. It's foolish to simply pass this off as an individuals fashion choice when those choices are part of a culture that is completely detrimental to society.

I have no problem with women wearing anything but I can accept why some people would. After all, I'm sure you wouldn't support someone's right to wear a KKK or Nazi uniform in public. Even if it may be legal, it's a toxic, and self-endangering thing to do and should not be encouraged or glorified.

So all these ills are the result of women showing more skin or wearing leggings? Really??? It'll take more than repeating a post hoc fallacy to support this contention. If covering up would prevent objectification of women and violence against them, the strict muslim societies would be shining beacons of enlightenment. The truth is that the more you hide something, the more tempting and intriguing it becomes. That's why Victorian men sighed at the sight of a "well turned" female ankle. Now days they see ankles every day and nobody thinks it's particularly sexy.

 

[OlNate]

I'm more comfortable with people wearing leggings or sweatpants, than I am seeing people wearing socks with sandals.

STOP IT. STOP IT NOW. :2razz:

I actually caught myself wearing crocs and socks while BBQing yesterday. It forced me to have a long think about my life. How had it come to this?

Then I ate the porterhouse I was cooking, and decided I didn't give a ****. I'm loving my 40's... :lol:

 

[TheGoverness]

I actually caught myself wearing crocs and socks while BBQing yesterday. It forced me to have a long think about my life. How had it come to this?

Then I ate the porterhouse I was cooking, and decided I didn't give a ****. I'm loving my 40's... :lol:

Oh, my god. You commited one of the gravest fashion sins of all, by wearing crocs to begin with.

Davos, bring my my sword. :2razz:

 

[OlNate]

Oh, my god. You commited one of the gravest fashion sins of all, by wearing crocs to begin with.

Davos, bring my my sword. :2razz:

Stand down, lady. There is a level of life mastery where you transcend fashion laws. I mean, look at Merlin...the guy wore a dress, and never shaved. You think anyone ****ed with him over it? Nope - at least, no one that isn't currently a frog as a result.

I have become the Crocs. Feel the wrath of my surprising comfort and lack of pretension. I never need to bend over AGAIN!!

 

[Dacke]

I actually caught myself wearing crocs and socks while BBQing yesterday. It forced me to have a long think about my life. How had it come to this?

Then I ate the porterhouse I was cooking, and decided I didn't give a ****. I'm loving my 40's... :lol:

If you are just barbequeing, it is acceptable. Same for wearing shorts. Men in shorts belong to the blashphemy family too! But, again, if you are exercising, relaxing on the beach or enjoying a backyard-barbeque, fine. But, going downtown or a mall dressed in shorts is an abomination. I am a little more accpeting when it comes to women, but would say a dress or a skirt shows greater taste than a pair of shorts.

 

[Crusader13]

So all these ills are the result of women showing more skin or wearing leggings? Really??? It'll take more than repeating a post hoc fallacy to support this contention. If covering up would prevent objectification of women and violence against them, the strict muslim societies would be shining beacons of enlightenment. The truth is that the more you hide something, the more tempting and intriguing it becomes. That's why Victorian men sighed at the sight of a "well turned" female ankle. Now days they see ankles every day and nobody thinks it's particularly sexy.

Right, and I agree with you. I'm not saying we should ban provocative clothing. I'm saying that we shouldn't simply ignore it's close co-existence with sexual immorality and we should talk about this with an open mind. We need to find a suitable standard for what is socially acceptable. "Whatever women choose to wear" is a pretty lousy standard. While they are free to wear whatever they want, those choices should not automatically be immune to challenge or criticism. Even the most free places in the world have standards and laws around clothing. We need to consider hygiene, appropriateness, and a whole bunch of other factors too - which is why it's illegal to walk around naked or wear a face-mask in a bank.

Good point on the Victorian men and ankle thing, but by the same logic you could claim that having women walk around naked with vaginas in everyone's face all day would somehow make men less attracted to them. Wrong. There is a fine middle ground between being too restrictive and too provocative and it's our job as a society to find it. Disregarding and shutting down anyone who tries to do so only contributes to the problem.