Leftists, is spying on a political campaign without cause legal?

[apdst]

:lamo...typical deflection from you. People who don't read, do NOT get to dictate the discussion. Sorry.

No, it's I who will not do YOUR homework for you.

READ the damn Mueller Report, or hush up.

But I'll give you this much....You'll find most of what you need to understand (related to your previous remarks)....in the first 15 pages, or so.

So you won't even have to read it all, to know how ignorant your previous arguments were.

We all knew you couldn't come up with jack ****.

 

[ultmd]

We all knew you couldn't come up with jack ****.

"We" all knew you'd run and hide when challenged to read.

You asked me for the evidence, I posted THE source for ALL of the evidence against Trump: The Mueller Report, which I've read, cover to cover. All I asked you to do was read the first 15 pages and conjure up enough personal integrity to come back and admit how IGNORANT you were.

Yet, when presented with a ready to read, pdf copy of the Mueller Report...and even when clued-in to the fact that you'd only have to read the first 15 pages...you STILL won't read. That's what ignorant people do.

I'm not surprised by your fear. It's expected when dealing with low-information types.

You people are nothing, if not easily read (pun intended).

Bottom line: There is literally a MOUNTAIN of evidence implicating Trump and his minions in a multitude of criminal activity and corrupt behavior.

What you people wish to believe irrelevant. You can't rebut the FACTS, and we both know it.

Dismissed.

 

[jnug]

Spying is a very particular activity. The word's origin is from the French, Espionage. There was no "spying" by the FBI on the Trump campaign in the 2016 election. The word is being used by Trump and Trumpets for its political impact. But then again they never have cared about using terms or words accurately and will use just any old thing to get a knee jerk reaction out of what is in the main an oblivious audience of Trumpets who spend most of their days dreaming up CT's and then jerking their knees into their own faces over them.

An actual "Spy" would have to have a hostile employer, a foreign government for example. So who would have been the FBI's hostile employer? Possibly NORWAY Donald. Didn't you chose Norway as an example of a foreign power that you considered "friendly" enough to be willing to look at "dirt" that they might have on a political opponent?

YOU are an IDIOT Donald. What you don't know through ignorance you surmise through that sociopathic pea brain of yours. I don't know which is worse and I don't care.

Hey, here is an interesting question. Was card carrying idiot GOP GOON, Louie Ghomert tallied as part of the DC tally of new COVID positives tested or part of the YE-HAA Texas tally of COVID positives tested? Interested parties want to know.

 

[apdst]

"We" all knew you'd run and hide when challenged to read.

You asked me for the evidence, I posted THE source for ALL of the evidence against Trump: The Mueller Report, which I've read, cover to cover. All I asked you to do was read the first 15 pages and conjure up enough personal integrity to come back and admit how IGNORANT you were.

Yet, when presented with a ready to read, pdf copy of the Mueller Report...and even when clued-in to the fact that you'd only have to read the first 15 pages...you STILL won't read. That's what ignorant people do.

I'm not surprised by your fear. It's expected when dealing with low-information types.

You people are nothing, if not easily read (pun intended).

Bottom line: There is literally a MOUNTAIN of evidence implicating Trump and his minions in a multitude of criminal activity and corrupt behavior.

What you people wish to believe irrelevant. You can't rebut the FACTS, and we both know it.

Dismissed.

Yet, you can't point out one piece of evidence. Why? Because you're lying about it's existance.

 

[ludin]

:lamo
You're correct about one thing, my low-information friend: Facts don't give a damn about opinions or feelings.

Your problem is that you're so mindlessly brainwashed that you can't tell the difference between objective facts and the nonstop gaslighting you've been receiving from your favorite fakenews media sources. And in this case, ALL of the facts are on my side. It doesn't really matter what brainwashed cultists think or feel. Facts are Facts.

You constant projections and ad hominems are the telling reasons that it is you that can't deal with objective facts.
otherwise you would stop denying them and acting like they don't exist, but leftism doesn't allow for objective facts.
it only allows for subjective feelings.

You have no facts. All your supposed facts were nothing but lies from the democratic party.
FOr someone that spouts so much that they hate lies you sure embrace them with it is democratic leftists that are spewing them all
over the place.

:lamo...Pelosi and Schiff?? That's funny, because it reveals the thinking of so many rightwingers like you.

YOur concession is noted

Only lazy rightwingers rely upon their political leaders and t.v. personalities to tell what what to think.

Your concession is noted, and the hypocriscy of this statement is what i expect from leftist.

People like me simply READ THE MUELLER REPORT. That's where ALL of the known, credible, relevant FACTS are to be found. You haven't read it, because (like most rightwing types) YOU HATE TO READ. So what you THINK you know about the ACTUAL FACTS, you got from watching FoxNews, etc.

People like you only read what you wanted to read from the mueller report which turns out is bogus. Had you read the actual facts in the mueller report
mueller stated numerous times that there was no evidence. YOu were told this time and time again and you simply can't handle the facts because you don't want to.
that is what leftist do. YOu feel and nothing is allowed to contradict those feelings. The Mueller investigation should have never occurred.

So again, the FACTS are in the Mueller Report. If you haven't read it, you are not qualified to discuss this issue.

I have read it and basically you are the person not qualified as you are ignoring that mueller stated no evidence.

:lamo...Your delusions are strong, I see.

ad hominem means you lose

My understanding of the entire Trump-Russia investigation comes from the Mueller Report. And there's no "koolaid" to be found in it. The FauxNews crowd would know that if you weren't so afraid to READ.

No it comes from the steele report which is now considered a total bust.
Mueller along with the intelligence committee found no evidence so i don't know what report you were reading.

"Koolaid" is what you get from Hannity and Tucker...and from your favorite facebook feeds...every night. That's where you guys get ALL of your "news". And that's why you all are so ignorant about basic FACTS.

No koolaid is only from leftist. they believe in conspiracy theories.

The words of a truly brainwashed Trumpophile.

ad homimen you lose yet again.

The criminal deeds and corrupt behavior of Trump and his crime family are all well-known now. The only people who deny them are people like you. And you don't count. Ignorance and stupidity are no longer tolerated.

and the strawman deflection which si typical

:lamo
IRONY ALERT!

Yes your entire post is nothing but irony glad you figured it out.

You're lying again. We are beyond the point where you are allowed to plead ignorance. You're just lying.

you lose concession noted.

And the above is not just dishonest. It's down-right MORONIC.

ad hominem you lose

There are NO FACTS suggesting that the surveillance of Trump campaign members like Flynn, Papadapolus, etc. was in ANY way 'illegal'. NONE.

Actually there is because all of the warrants were generated by the FBI lying to the FISA court about the steele document which we know now is a total bust.
in fact the FISA court has stated time and time again that without the steele dossier it never would have given them out.

To continue to argue that FACT is to be intentionally ignorant.

yet another ad hominem you lose again.

A classic case of PROJECTION, from you.

Your entire argument here is a fact-free conspiracy theory. READ THE MUELLER REPORT, or be forever the fool.

that is what you do and i have read it. it says you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[americanwoman]

LOL. That's what you guys have been saying about Trump for four years now.

If you can't see how Trump breaks the law, maybe you need your eyes and ears checked or does "law and order" not apply to Trump as well as others?

 

[tres borrachos]

That's all we heard during the Mueller investigation and then the impeachment. "Don't worry. Be patient. It's right around the corner".

Very cool story!

 

[ultmd]

Yet, you can't point out one piece of evidence. Why? Because you're lying about it's existance.

:lamo

Just tell me you're to lazy, and afraid, to read the Mueller Report (which describes in EXCRUCIATING detail) ALL of the evidence implicating Trump and his cronies.

Admit you're afraid to READ...and I'll leave you alone.

:lamo

 

[ultmd]

You constant projections and ad hominems are the telling reasons that it is you that can't deal with objective facts.
otherwise you would stop denying them and acting like they don't exist, but leftism doesn't allow for objective facts.
it only allows for subjective feelings.

Projection.

Actually, it's MORONIC Projection.

The bottom line is that there is ZERO evidence of any "illegal spying" on the trump campaign. NONE. Anyone claiming otherwise is either a fool or a liar.

Full stop.

You have no facts. All your supposed facts were nothing but lies from the democratic party.

I have the Mueller Report. There are no other relevant facts. OTOH, you have the words of Hannity and Tucker, and the corrupt (soon-to-be-indicted) Bob Barr.

No contest. You lose in a shutout. And people like you, who are ignorant because they don't read, really have no right to expect their opinions to be taken seriously. Sorry.

FOr someone that spouts so much that they hate lies you sure embrace them with it is democratic leftists that are spewing them all
over the place.

Read the Mueller Report and point out even ONE lie in it. If you can't find a lie in the Mueller Report, let's just agree that you're FOS, ok?

I don't lie. I expose liars around here. That's what upsets people like you who are clearly not accustomed to being challenged, nor prepared to defend and rebut intelligently.

YOur concession is noted

:lamo....couldn't think of an intelligent rebuttal, huh?

Your concession is noted, and the hypocriscy of this statement is what i expect from leftist.

:lamo...see above. Why do ignorant right-wingers always get so sensitive when people point out the obvious? In this case, you are CLEARLY someone who doesn't read much, and who relies upon FauxNews and social media to "educate" you. But educated people like me see your "education" for what it is: indoctrination and brainwashing of the weak-minded.

People like you only read what you wanted to read from the mueller report which turns out is bogus. Had you read the actual facts in the mueller report
mueller stated numerous times that there was no evidence. YOu were told this time and time again and you simply can't handle the facts because you don't want to.
that is what leftist do.

:lamo
Now I KNOW you're feelings are hurt! Look, you're the guy who doesn't read, remember? You're the guy who asked for evidence, then refused to read it when the link was posted for him.

So again, show me ONE instance where Mueller stated there was "no evidence"? You're lying again. I'm just the nice guy who calls out liars around here. YOU ARE LYING, and we both know it. LOL.

YOu feel and nothing is allowed to contradict those feelings. The Mueller investigation should have never occurred.

Ludiin...those are feelings. No one gives a rat's butt about your ignorant feelings. How many times must I remind you?

I have read it and basically you are the person not qualified as you are ignoring that mueller stated no evidence.

You're lying. Show me where Mueller stated there is "no evidence"...and I'll show you 10 instances where Mueller details MOUNTAINS of evidence of criminality and/or corruption from Trump or one of his minions.

Accept the challenge, or admit you got caught lying...again.

No it comes from the steele report which is now considered a total bust.

Another moronic lie. Actually 2 moronic lies. Again, you'd know this if you read the Mueller Report. But you don't read because you're a right-winger.

• 1. The Mueller Report did NOT come from the Steele Report. That's a moronic lie.
• 2. The Steele Report is NOT "considered a total bust"....except by the fake news crowd. To Mueller, and to the U.S. Intelligence community, the Steele Report is considered so credible that (to date) virtually everything in it that has been investigated, has been verified.

Mueller along with the intelligence committee found no evidence so i don't know what report you were reading.

It's funny, the way you keep saying "no evidence", without any details. Let's try this: No evidence of what, exactly? Be specific.

ad homimen you lose yet again.

Lying is lying. What you dislike is being labeled called out when you lie. You need to get a dictionary and look up ad hominem, so you'll understand the difference between name-calling, and truth-calling.

and the strawman deflection which si typical

:lamo
You're trying so hard. LOOK UP "strawman fallacy" and do better next time.

 

[Razoo]

It's starting to look bad for the Obama FBI flying monkeys. Do you care? Still don't believe it?

What Trump campaign is anyone talking about?

A Massive cover up is what a Trump and GOP campaign is all about.


Nixon's Watergate is what I remember ............

 

[Grandpappy]

Nixon's Watergate is what I remember ............

It is a lot like that, right? Using false information to break into a campaign. They used crowbars back in the 70's, I guess.

 

[Razoo]

The GOP has become mentally unstable documented by many of their presidents = the party is sick!


Article 1. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has obstructed the administration of justice:

1. He attempted to fire Mueller. The Mueller report found “substantial evidence . . . that the President’s attempts to remove the Special Counsel were linked to the Special Counsel’s oversight of investigations that involved the President’s conduct.”

2. Trump attempted to curtail Mueller’s investigation. Mueller found “that the President’s effort to have [Attorney General Jeff] Sessions limit the scope of the Special Counsel’s investigation to future election interference was intended to prevent further investigative scrutiny of the President’s and his campaign’s conduct.”

3. He ordered White House counsel Donald McGahn to falsify the record to conceal his attempts to fire Mueller. Mueller found that Trump “acted . . . in order to deflect or prevent further scrutiny of the President’s conduct.”

4. He fired FBI Director James B. Comey, Mueller found, because of “Comey’s unwillingness to publicly state that the President was not personally under investigation.”

Moreover, Mueller wrote, by firing Comey “the President wanted to protect himself from an investigation into his campaign,” because he knew “that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.” Trump showed awareness of guilt by advancing “a pretextual reason to the press and the public for Comey’s termination.”

5. He tried to dissuade Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, and other witnesses from cooperating with the government. The non-cooperation of Manafort and Stone, in particular, made it impossible to establish the exact nature of the relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

Article II. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to defend America from foreign election interference. As a candidate, he welcomed Russian intervention in the 2016 election and refused to notify the proper authorities of contacts between his campaign and representatives of Russia and WikiLeaks.

As president, he denied that the Russian attack had even occurred, accepted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s false denials of responsibility, and showed no interest in determining the full scale of the attack. He repeatedly called the Russia investigation a “hoax” and a “witch hunt” even though Mueller determined “that there were multiple, systematic efforts to interfere in our election” and that “the matters we investigated were of paramount importance.”

Article III. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, attempted to investigate and prosecute his political opponents. On three occasions, Mueller found, Trump asked the Justice Department to initiate investigations of Hillary Clinton. More recently, Trump and his attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, attempted to initiate an investigation of Joe Biden.

Article IV. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, failed to produce papers and testimony as duly directed by Congress. Trump obstructed at least 20 inquiries relating to his taxes, business records, the Mueller investigation and other matters.

Article V. Donald J. Trump, in violation of federal campaign finance laws, conspired with his attorney Michael Cohen in order to conceal alleged relationships with adult film actress Stormy Daniels and Playboy playmate Karen McDougal before the 2016 election.

Article VI. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold Article 1, section 9 of the Constitution (“No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law”), attempted to misuse his emergency powers to spend funds on a border wall that Congress did not appropriate.

Article VII. Donald J. Trump, in violation of his oath to uphold the emoluments clauses (which forbid the president from accepting benefits from foreign and state governments without the permission of Congress) retains ownership of a global business empire which allows him to benefit from dealings with foreign and state governments.

ALEC GOP has committed more criminal and unconstitutional conduct under Trump than any previous president in U.S. history. The entire GOP and Trump administration must resign.

 

[Trypt]

Republicans are so weak, they won't even use this opportunity to do what Dems do with nothing, open investigations into PEOPLE, not CRIMES. If Republicans had any balls at all, they would investigate every single Dem that was involved in any way with the Russia hoax, everyone is guilty of something, and try them with fraud at the least, treason at best.

But no, good little Christians won't stoop to that level, they will do it the right way, the ineffective way, the idiotic moral way, the Jesus way. Good luck winning anything with that attitude, learn something from Dems, winning is everything, Jesus will forgive you when you get rid of the unAmerican traitors.

Dems go after people with no evidence at all and somehow come out unscathed, yet Repubs have actual cause and they won't do anything, it's laughable. Don't complain then when you lose your country to some radical socialists that will allow Islam to take over and enslave you all, my good neighbours.

 

[The AntiDonald]

It's starting to look bad for the Obama FBI flying monkeys. Do you care? Still don't believe it?

Don't believe it. The inspector general said the investigation into Trump's campaign was started on good merit.

 

[Grandpappy]

Don't believe it. The inspector general said the investigation into Trump's campaign was started on good merit.

And then, when they figured out it was a nothingburger, they just kept on. Great bunch o guys.

 

[apdst]

:lamo

Just tell me you're to lazy, and afraid, to read the Mueller Report (which describes in EXCRUCIATING detail) ALL of the evidence implicating Trump and his cronies.

Admit you're afraid to READ...and I'll leave you alone.

:lamo

I've already read it and it says there's no evidence that any United States citizen coordinated with the Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign.