LA County Admits Number Of Registered Voters At 144% Of Resident Citizens Of Voting Age

[PIPEWRENCH]

They know where they live, but the mail only delivers to a P.O. box, so they don't have a physical address that they can prove with utility bills or other documents.

And who said anything about letting them vote as many times as they like? Do you have any idea what function voter registration serves? If your suggestion is voter registration is meaningless, then you can get three IDs and vote three times with your three different physical addresses. Why should you be allowed to vote as many times as you like?

Well the problem is I can have hundreds of PO boxes. So what is so hard about letting them use the PO box along with a number that identifies them with the reservation they are on. My god this cannot be this difficult to have a valid ID to insure that everyone who is authorized to vote gets to vote just 1 time. I think I could solve the theory of everything easier than getting a valid ID for a democrat.

 

[JasperL]

Sorry but the valid ID stops all that because I can only get 1 valid ID in my name with my picture on it. However if utility receipts are the source of ID I can come up with lots of utility receipts in lots of names and addresses and vote multiple times. There is no photo ID on a utility receipt. That is the reason for valid ID. 1 ID for everyone and 1 vote for everyone. Oh such a complicated idea. Oh the travesty of making sure only people who are supposed to vote get to vote only once. No it is more fun to listen to all these democrats cry about how the Russians forced them to vote other than the way they wanted to.

Save it for the clueless.

In Tennessee there's no need for the voter ID to match your current address, it can even be expired. Or you can use your passport to register and vote with some proof of address like a utility bill, and a passport has no address on it at all.

So go ahead, register and vote as many times as you like!

Or are you forgetting the role of voter registration and pretending that it's not a barrier for these native Americans to vote as many times as they like? Seems that way.

 

[JasperL]

Well the problem is I can have hundreds of PO boxes.

You can have hundreds of HOUSES and you completely disregarded that as a potential source of voter fraud. You're just not making any sense here. If having multiple addresses of any kind is a vehicle for voter fraud that cannot be addressed with, you know, what we do which is VOTER REGISTRATION, then you're just as likely to vote multiple times as those native Americans.

So what is so hard about letting them use the PO box along with a number that identifies them with the reservation they are on. My god this cannot be this difficult to have a valid ID to insure that everyone who is authorized to vote gets to vote just 1 time. I think I could solve the theory of everything easier than getting a valid ID for a democrat.

Further, you asked, "so what is so hard..." and my response is EXACTLY! The state could have figured out any number of simple workarounds, but instead they just effectively ****canned those who can only use P.O. Boxes off the voting rolls, with an effective - "If the mail only delivers to P.O. boxes, ***k you. We do not care."

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You can have hundreds of HOUSES and you completely disregarded that as a potential source of voter fraud. You're just not making any sense here. If having multiple addresses of any kind is a vehicle for voter fraud that cannot be addressed with, you know, what we do which is VOTER REGISTRATION, then you're just as likely to vote multiple times as those native Americans.



Further, you asked, "so what is so hard..." and my response is EXACTLY! The state could have figured out any number of simple workarounds, but instead they just effectively ****canned those who can only use P.O. Boxes off the voting rolls, with an effective - "If the mail only delivers to P.O. boxes, ***k you. We do not care."

Seems like the Native Americans spent 5 years fighting the law rather than trying to figure out how to comply with the law. My god having proper ID is just beyond the ability of some people. I guess they will never be able to fly on a plane or do any of the things that require an ID. It is sad that something as basic as a valid ID is so far beyond their abilities.

 

[JasperL]

Seems like the Native Americans spent 5 years fighting the law rather than trying to figure out how to comply with the law. My god having proper ID is just beyond the ability of some people. I guess they will never be able to fly on a plane or do any of the things that require an ID. It is sad that something as basic as a valid ID is so far beyond their abilities.

How should they comply?

I love how you bring up excuses, they're shot down, and you just move the goal posts. They have "proper" ID for doing all they need to do in life, but it's not good enough to VOTE. That's it. The question is why the state made a law that these residents cannot comply with and didn't give them a workaround? How f'ing hard is that? Any 12 year old could do it - "If the Post office delivers only to PO boxes in your area, a PO box is fine" Done and done.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

How should they comply?

I love how you bring up excuses, they're shot down, and you just move the goal posts. They have "proper" ID for doing all they need to do in life, but it's not good enough to VOTE. That's it. The question is why the state made a law that these residents cannot comply with and didn't give them a workaround? How f'ing hard is that? Any 12 year old could do it - "If the Post office delivers only to PO boxes in your area, a PO box is fine" Done and done.

What is so hard about having an address. I would love to put a PO box on my drivers license, ID card, or passport but that is not where I live. Part of a valid ID is your address where you live. They do not live at the post office in a PO box. Right now my PA drivers license will no longer be a valid form of ID. I am not going to cry, sue the government, or any other stupid thing that will not solve the problem. I will find out what I need to do to get a valid ID and do it. I am a responsible adult not a helpless child.

 

[JasperL]

What is so hard about having an address.

I would love to put a PO box on my drivers license, ID card, or passport but that is not where I live. Part of a valid ID is your address where you live. They do not live at the post office in a PO box. Right now my PA drivers license will no longer be a valid form of ID. I am not going to cry, sue the government, or any other stupid thing that will not solve the problem. I will find out what I need to do to get a valid ID and do it. I am a responsible adult not a helpless child.

Your passport has no address at all on it. And somehow it's considered the most secure form of ID, works when the government REALLY needs to know who you are, and that you're a citizen. :roll:

And they've gotten by fine in life till now using P.O. boxes, because that's the only way the mail is delivered to them. If you'd read any of the stories about the issue, what you'd know is they're not actually boxes at the post office, but "PO" boxes at the reservation where all mail is delivered, that's how it's done.

But the big question is what is the goal here and why didn't the state write in a simple solution for these thousands of people? There is no voter fraud anyone can identify, their tribal ID cards show they're citizens and residents of the state, even the district with the PO box.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Your passport has no address at all on it. And somehow it's considered the most secure form of ID, works when the government REALLY needs to know who you are, and that you're a citizen. :roll:

And they've gotten by fine in life till now using P.O. boxes, because that's the only way the mail is delivered to them. If you'd read any of the stories about the issue, what you'd know is they're not actually boxes at the post office, but "PO" boxes at the reservation where all mail is delivered, that's how it's done.

But the big question is what is the goal here and why didn't the state write in a simple solution for these thousands of people? There is no voter fraud anyone can identify, their tribal ID cards show they're citizens and residents of the state, even the district with the PO box.

The first section of the passport application involves your identity. Write down your name, date and place of birth, current address, Social Security Number, email address, a phone number, and additional names or aliases you have used.

Oh look I need all kinds of information to get a passport including an address. This is a waste of time.

 

[JasperL]

The first section of the passport application involves your identity. Write down your name, date and place of birth, current address, Social Security Number, email address, a phone number, and additional names or aliases you have used.

Oh look I need all kinds of information to get a passport including an address. This is a waste of time.

You need to decide what your argument is. You said, "Part of a valid ID is your address where you live." That is false - your passport, the most secure ID, has no address on it. When you move, there is no need to update your passport, because it has no address. It proves that Joe Smith is Joe Smith, who is a citizen - that's it. Doesn't attempt to prove you live at 12345 Main St.

And in most states, including Tennessee, the ID can have the WRONG address, or no address (if you use your passport), and it's fine for voting.

So you can take your passport and some proof like utility bills of your many buildings to prove address, and register as many times as you like, and vote as many times as you like!

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You need to decide what your argument is. You said, "Part of a valid ID is your address where you live." That is false - your passport, the most secure ID, has no address on it. When you move, there is no need to update your passport, because it has no address. It proves that Joe Smith is Joe Smith, who is a citizen - that's it. Doesn't attempt to prove you live at 12345 Main St.

And in most states, including Tennessee, the ID can have the WRONG address, or no address (if you use your passport), and it's fine for voting.

So you can take your passport and some proof like utility bills of your many buildings to prove address, and register as many times as you like, and vote as many times as you like!

The need for an address is so you vote in your district. What is so hard for you to comprehend about this. I do not get to vote in California because I live in PA. You vote for your local representatives therefore where you live is important. What is so hard about such a simple matter. Get proper ID with your address so you can vote in your district for your representative and become a responsible citizen instead a cog in the machine.

 

[JasperL]

The need for an address is so you vote in your district. What is so hard for you to comprehend about this.

It's not hard at all for me to comprehend. What I'm pointing out is your ID doesn't even ATTEMPT to prove your address for purposes of voting, and I know that because a passport is AFAIK universally accepted as ID at the polls and it contains no address, and I can present a DL with the WRONG address and still vote.

Here the native Americans had an address, but it wasn't a street address because the mail won't deliver to street addresses, only to a "PO" box that serves many street addresses. You said utility bills can't be used as ID because you have several buildings/houses, so we need to use photo ID with addresses, that can be wrong and you can vote, or you can use a passport that doesn't have an address at all.

I do not get to vote in California because I live in PA. You vote for your local representatives therefore where you live is important. What is so hard about such a simple matter. Get proper ID with your address so you can vote in your district for your representative and become a responsible citizen instead a cog in the machine.

That's not an argument for disallowing PO boxes that properly identify in which state, city and district someone lives, because the mail won't deliver to street addresses.

 

[Carjosse]

You need to decide what your argument is. You said, "Part of a valid ID is your address where you live." That is false - your passport, the most secure ID, has no address on it. When you move, there is no need to update your passport, because it has no address. It proves that Joe Smith is Joe Smith, who is a citizen - that's it. Doesn't attempt to prove you live at 12345 Main St.

And in most states, including Tennessee, the ID can have the WRONG address, or no address (if you use your passport), and it's fine for voting.

So you can take your passport and some proof like utility bills of your many buildings to prove address, and register as many times as you like, and vote as many times as you like!

In Canada if you use your passport you must also present proof of address along with it. I don't know why there are so many issues surrounding voter ID in the US when you have very good example of how to do it right just North of your country. But I guess Americans hate being shown they have an inferior system. Also on our drivers licenses your actual address is in on the card and the mailing address is independent of that.

 

[JasperL]

In Canada if you use your passport you must also present proof of address along with it. I don't know why there are so many issues surrounding voter ID in the US when you have very good example of how to do it right just North of your country. But I guess Americans hate being shown they have an inferior system. Also on our drivers licenses your actual address is in on the card and the mailing address is independent of that.

I agree with that. We make it hard to vote and I can only conclude it's because we WANT it to be hard. In the modern era, there's no excuse for not having registration automated, follow you from place to place as you change your address with the feds.

My point in this part of the discussion is the stated reasons for requiring a "photo ID with address" don't hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny, because I can vote right now with an old, expired DL with an old, incorrect address, if I'm registered. I might have to present proof of address, such as a utility bill or bank statement, but if I have 6 houses, I can choose any of them as my address for registering, and my DL doesn't have to agree with any of them to vote in whichever district I choose.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

That's not an argument for disallowing PO boxes that properly identify in which state, city and district someone lives, because the mail won't deliver to street addresses.

I have had a PO box and an address. My PO box is not where I live. The mail delivers to my address and I had PO box for my business because I wanted to keep my home and business separate. Anyone can get a PO box anywhere in the country and that has nothing to do with where you live. Please already.

 

[JasperL]

I have had a PO box and an address. My PO box is not where I live. The mail delivers to my address and I had PO box for my business because I wanted to keep my home and business separate. Anyone can get a PO box anywhere in the country and that has nothing to do with where you live. Please already.

Since you chose to ignore it the first time, here's my response to that point again.

"It's not hard at all for me to comprehend. What I'm pointing out is your ID doesn't even ATTEMPT to prove your address for purposes of voting, and I know that because a passport is AFAIK universally accepted as ID at the polls and it contains no address, and I can present a DL with the WRONG address and still vote.

Here the native Americans had an address, but it wasn't a street address because the mail won't deliver to street addresses, only to a "PO" box that serves many street addresses. You said utility bills can't be used as ID because you have several buildings/houses, so we need to use photo ID with addresses, that can be wrong and you can vote, or you can use a passport that doesn't have an address at all."