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Obama hasn't had any sons yet.

You are out of touch with reality.

That was a reference to obama's involvement in the travvon martin incident where he tried to stir up racial bitterness among blacks
 
So, you do not approve of the US concept of "innocent until proven guilty" or the idea that every defendant is allowed to offer a defense. How many Amendments and SCOTUS judgments does that mean you oppose? Good to know that you oppose the Constitution.

The video proves the guilt. I don't get when someone is clearly doing what is charged and it is caught on video for the world to see, that they plead "Not Guilty". In this case, exactly what defense can they offer?
 
How many black people were lynched last year?

Not many but liberals would think it was a big deal if even one was

The previous 8 years under the most racist president in generations gave rise to a lot of black hate toward whites that stil continues today

The most racist president in generations:lamo

Sure, being black is a racist thing :lamo

It surely has nothing to do with (for example) how white officers/white people keep getting away with killing black people, that cannot be it.

It surely cannot have anything to do with part of the civil rights act being scrapped and white republicans immediately going out of their way to disenfranchise/rob as many poor and black voters from their voting rights?

It surely cannot have anything to do with white pride among some of the Trump voters?

No, it must be the hateful acts of Obama :lamo
 
The video proves the guilt. I don't get when someone is clearly doing what is charged and it is caught on video for the world to see, that they plead "Not Guilty". In this case, exactly what defense can they offer?

Doesn't matter even if there is video. Our legal system is based on innocent until proven guilty. I have no idea what defense they can offer, but they have the right to do so.
 
The most racist president in generations:lamo

Sure, being black is a racist thing :lamo

It surely has nothing to do with (for example) how white officers/white people keep getting away with killing black people, that cannot be it.

It surely cannot have anything to do with part of the civil rights act being scrapped and white republicans immediately going out of their way to disenfranchise/rob as many poor and black voters from their voting rights?

It surely cannot have anything to do with white pride among some of the Trump voters?

No, it must be the hateful acts of Obama :lamo

No, it has to do with obama being a bitter angry black man in the white housle

He started getting even early in his term when a black professor at harvard was arrested by a white police officer for disturbing the peace

Obama made stupid racial comments to the world before he even knew the facts of the incident.

But racists don't need many facts to fuei their bitterness and obama ended up having to host the white polcie officer to a beer in the Rose Garden
 
No, it has to do with obama being a bitter angry black man in the white housle

He started getting even early in his term when a black professor at harvard was arrested by a white police officer for disturbing the peace

Obama made stupid racial comments to the world before he even knew the facts of the incident.

But racists don't need many facts to fuei their bitterness and obama ended up having to host the white polcie officer to a beer in the Rose Garden

Even if that is true (and there is little evidence to suggest that is true), one issue with a black professor does not make Obama the most racist president in generations. Especially because it is well known that racial profiling is the reality in the US (and other countries, my country is no exception) and that it should be openly discussed.
 
Even if that is true (and there is little evidence to suggest that is true), one issue with a black professor does not make Obama the most racist president in generations. Especially because it is well known that racial profiling is the reality in the US (and other countries, my country is no exception) and that it should be openly discussed.

My first reaction to your post was how could anyone not know that the story is true?

Where have you been for the past 8 years?

And then I see you are from the netherlands where so many liberal experts on all things America live
 
My first reaction to your post was how could anyone not know that the story is true?

Where have you been for the past 8 years?

And then I see you are from the netherlands where so many liberal experts on all things America live

I was talking about your claim that he was a bitter angry man in the White House, that is your assertion and I think it is untrue.

And again, one thing with the professor does not make him the most racist president in generations.

Yeah, but this is not about me being Dutch, this has to do with your untrue assertion that Obama was the most racist president in generations.
 
I was talking about your claim that he was a bitter angry man in the White House, that is your assertion and I think it is untrue.

And again, one thing with the professor does not make him the most racist president in generations.

Yeah, but this is not about me being Dutch, this has to do with your untrue assertion that Obama was the most racist president in generations.

There are many things

I just gave you one example

When a man makes a judgement based on skin color along as obama did he is a bigot
 
There are many things

I just gave you one example

When a man makes a judgement based on skin color along as obama did he is a bigot

And most of them are purely subjective, and it still would not make him the most racist president in generations.

You might feel he is a bigot but that is merely an opinion.

Also, I think some people were of the opinion that Obama was a bigot due to their own bigoted views on Obama. Not saying that is your reason to think Obama was a racist but I saw loads of people in interviews making disparaging comments about Obama based on their view of his color and his name.
 
And most of them are purely subjective, and it still would not make him the most racist president in generations.

You might feel he is a bigot but that is merely an opinion.

Also, I think some people were of the opinion that Obama was a bigot due to their own bigoted views on Obama. Not saying that is your reason to think Obama was a racist but I saw loads of people in interviews making disparaging comments about Obama based on their view of his color and his name.

Foreigners are entitled to their opinion of American presidents

Who is a more racist American president than obama in your lifetime?
 
Foreigners are entitled to their opinion of American presidents

Who is a more racist American president than obama in your lifetime?

- One would say that Reagan has some racist issues, he took the Southern Route to the presidency, during the first year of his presidency median income of black families dropped 5.2%. Then he went on the war on drugs, which was also not positive for blacks.

And generations is more than just my generation

- For example FDR racially imprisoned more than 100,000 Japanese Americans in camps, while not doing the same with German and Italian US citizens.

When White Olympians were being invited to the White House in 1936, Jesse Owens, quadruple Olympic gold medalist was not invited.

And the New Deal in some parts and in some aspects negatively affected black Americans (Farmers and domestics, the main Southern black vocations where excluded from the New Deal's minimum wage, social security, unemployment insurance, and unionizing rights). And as it was not enough federal relief was administered by local Southern government and we all know how racist it was back then before the human rights fight. New Deal initiatives (also in the North) coded black neighborhoods as unsuitable for new mortgages.

- Eisenhower is not blameless, it is not like he fought for the end of segregation in the South now did he. He was not a fan of Brown V. board of education and dragged his feet in enforcing it. In fact sending those soldiers he named as:

A constitutional duty which was the most repugnant to him of all his acts in his eight years in the White House.

And as we are talking about Generations, which would include my grandmother and grandfather who were born in 1917 and 1912, this would include:

Coolidge, who handled the flooding of the Great Mississippi river by flooding black riverside communities. And some sources write:
thousands of displaced Blacks were forced to work for their rations under the gun of the National Guard and area planters, leading to a conflagration of mass beatings, lynchings, and rapes.

President Coolidge also signed arguably the most racist and ethnocentric immigration act in history, an act championed by Republican eugenicists and Democratic Klansmen. The Immigration Act of 1924 was co-authored by Washington Congressman Albert Johnson, well-schooled in theories of “yellow peril” that had rationalized discrimination against west coast Asians for decades. The bipartisan measure further restricted immigration from southern and eastern Europe, severely restricted African immigrants, and banned the immigrations of Arabs and Asians. “America must be kept American,” President Coolidge had said during his first annual message to Congress in 1923.


Woodrow Wilson once viewed Birth of a Nation at the White House during my grandfather's lifetime, in a book Wilson wrote:

“The white men of the South were aroused by the mere instinct of self-preservation to rid themselves, by fair means or foul, of the intolerable burden of governments sustained by the votes of ignorant negroes and conducted in the interest of adventurers.”

Clinton is also not very racially pure, who was among three state officials the NCAAP sued for suppressing the black vote.

And let us not forget democrat LBJ who said about Truman's civil rights proposal in 1948:

…is a farce and a sham…I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill … I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill.


Because let us be honest, most democratic presidents from the South in the first part of the 20th century as well as in the middle of the 20th century came from a democratic party that was extremely racist and I am sure those Southern Democrats did not all of a sudden changed their spots when the democrats became the supposed party of civil rights. This is in no way a hit job on republicans because that is not the reality, often republicans in the early parts of the 20th century were more civil rights minded than the democrats from the South in that time.

So all in all, no, Obama is still not the most racist.
 
- One would say that Reagan has some racist issues, he took the Southern Route to the presidency, during the first year of his presidency median income of black families dropped 5.2%. Then he went on the war on drugs, which was also not positive for blacks.

And generations is more than just my generation

- For example FDR racially imprisoned more than 100,000 Japanese Americans in camps, while not doing the same with German and Italian US citizens.

When White Olympians were being invited to the White House in 1936, Jesse Owens, quadruple Olympic gold medalist was not invited.

And the New Deal in some parts and in some aspects negatively affected black Americans (Farmers and domestics, the main Southern black vocations where excluded from the New Deal's minimum wage, social security, unemployment insurance, and unionizing rights). And as it was not enough federal relief was administered by local Southern government and we all know how racist it was back then before the human rights fight. New Deal initiatives (also in the North) coded black neighborhoods as unsuitable for new mortgages.

- Eisenhower is not blameless, it is not like he fought for the end of segregation in the South now did he. He was not a fan of Brown V. board of education and dragged his feet in enforcing it. In fact sending those soldiers he named as:



And as we are talking about Generations, which would include my grandmother and grandfather who were born in 1917 and 1912, this would include:

Coolidge, who handled the flooding of the Great Mississippi river by flooding black riverside communities. And some sources write:





Woodrow Wilson once viewed Birth of a Nation at the White House during my grandfather's lifetime, in a book Wilson wrote:



Clinton is also not very racially pure, who was among three state officials the NCAAP sued for suppressing the black vote.

And let us not forget democrat LBJ who said about Truman's civil rights proposal in 1948:




Because let us be honest, most democratic presidents from the South in the first part of the 20th century as well as in the middle of the 20th century came from a democratic party that was extremely racist and I am sure those Southern Democrats did not all of a sudden changed their spots when the democrats became the supposed party of civil rights. This is in no way a hit job on republicans because that is not the reality, often republicans in the early parts of the 20th century were more civil rights minded than the democrats from the South in that time.

So all in all, no, Obama is still not the most racist.

None of the presidents you listed are still alive today

Except for bill clinton who was sometimes called the first black president when he was in office.

As for the others you really had to grasp at straws to find something to complain about or else go back a century

Yet here is obama who is still walking around washington and you have to step over him to get to the others
 
None of the presidents you listed are still alive today

Except for bill clinton who was sometimes called the first black president when he was in office.

As for the others you really had to grasp at straws to find something to complain about or else go back a century

Yet here is obama who is still walking around washington and you have to step over him to get to the others

Yeah, but that was not the statement IMHO, you called him the most racist president in generations. I say that is not true. And I gave examples to why I believe that is not accurate.
 
Yeah, but that was not the statement IMHO, you called him the most racist president in generations. I say that is not true. And I gave examples to why I believe that is not accurate.

I stand by the statement

Obama is the most racist president we have had in living memory aka generations

And I emphasize "we" meaning America not holland
 
I stand by the statement

Obama is the most racist president we have had in living memory aka generations

And I emphasize "we" meaning America not holland

Yeah, but that statements is extremely subjective to you, it does not mean it is objectively correct/likely IMHO. And I do not give an opinion as "The Netherlands" (I always write the name of your country will all due deference that it deserves, meaning with Capital letters and the correct name, it would be kinda of nice if you would do the same for my country).

I give my response as Peter King, a history fan/student (of both US politics and of 20th century both in Europe and the US, including the interbellum, the 1st and 2nd world war as well as what happened since WW2) about a blanket statement of yours that does not ring true in any objective manner, especially knowing that several US president ruled over a segregated Jim Crow United States of America and did nothing about it (or even helped make that situation continue). Hence I also stand by my assertion that Obama in my opinion and looking at historical data, is not the most racist president the USA has had since generations.

Now you can make comments about my nationality, but verifiable historical facts do not change purely because you say something is "the truth"
 
I stand by the statement

Obama is the most racist president we have had in living memory aka generations

And I emphasize "we" meaning America not holland

Your statement is idiotic since it is based on your partisan hackery and a biased version of the word "racist". Therefore, your point is entirely invalid.
 
Yeah, but that statements is extremely subjective to you, it does not mean it is objectively correct/likely IMHO. And I do not give an opinion as "The Netherlands" (I always write the name of your country will all due deference that it deserves, meaning with Capital letters and the correct name, it would be kinda of nice if you would do the same for my country).

I give my response as Peter King, a history fan/student (of both US politics and of 20th century both in Europe and the US, including the interbellum, the 1st and 2nd world war as well as what happened since WW2) about a blanket statement of yours that does not ring true in any objective manner, especially knowing that several US president ruled over a segregated Jim Crow United States of America and did nothing about it (or even helped make that situation continue). Hence I also stand by my assertion that Obama in my opinion and looking at historical data, is not the most racist president the USA has had since generations.

Now you can make comments about my nationality, but verifiable historical facts do not change purely because you say something is "the truth"

Your nationality matters because you can't possibly followed our politics from the other side of the ocean or maintain the same personal interest in it as true Americans do.

You had to go far back in history to find other examples of racist American presidents (and some of those were wrong such as in the case of Reagan) whereas my example just left office and is still walking around washington

And as an American citizen and legal voter who lives under the racial animosity inflamed by obama makes him my primary interest not Woodrow Wilson
 
I stand by the statement

Obama is the most racist president we have had in living memory aka generations

And I emphasize "we" meaning America not holland

Please point to any statement made by Obama suggesting the Black race was superior to the White one.
 
Please point to any statement made by Obama suggesting the Black race was superior to the White one.

You are using the correct defination of racism

But liberals often use the looser defination that is closer to bigotry than racism

If you prefere to call obama a bigot instead of a racist I dont mind
 
Your nationality matters because you can't possibly followed our politics from the other side of the ocean or maintain the same personal interest in it as true Americans do.

You had to go far back in history to find other examples of racist American presidents (and some of those were wrong such as in the case of Reagan) whereas my example just left office and is still walking around washington

And as an American citizen and legal voter who lives under the racial animosity inflamed by obama makes him my primary interest not Woodrow Wilson

Yeah, still see nothing but biased subjective Obama bashing like has been the norm ever since he was elected.

And Wilson is of interest because you claimed he was the most racist president in generations (which is still nonsense).
 
Yeah, still see nothing but biased subjective Obama bashing like has been the norm ever since he was elected.

And Wilson is of interest because you claimed he was the most racist president in generations (which is still nonsense).

Thats because you don't know America and our recent history as well as you think you do
 
You are using the correct defination of racism

But liberals often use the looser defination that is closer to bigotry than racism

If you prefere to call obama a bigot instead of a racist I dont mind

So, now you suggest that he hated his mother and maternal grandparents. :roll: Can you show where Obama is a bigot?
 
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