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Kavanaugh: I was a virgin through high school and college

How did this go for 20 pages?

The guy claimed to be a virgin then. Attempted rape (or whatever one wants to say the offense is) wouldn't result in a loss of virginity, and a teenage virgin male usually has some urges, so that other thing doesn't help so much in terms of a defense.



The only thing we should be talking about now is the judgment of a federal judge who doesn't understand that claiming to be a virgin does not rebut and may in some ways be seen to bolster a charge of attempted rape while drunk.
 
Yes but much worse. I went to the Police and a doctor. Also I've receive therapy but I think time is the best healer. No problem with my marriage because of what happened.

I'm sorry you had to go through that. I know any kind of violent trauma like that affects individuals differently... and a lot of times it manifests itself subconsciously and maybe even years later. Even when you think the scars have healed with time, all it can take is a sound or a smell or something trivial to bring it all back again.

That being said, I do know that Dr. Ford has some pretty solid professional qualifications in her field... and from what I hear, she's pretty widely published and respected in the academic community. She certainly doesn't seem to be the type to make up a story and put her reputation on the line by coming forward unless she was certain of her accusations.
 
Is he a virgin, who forces a woman on her back, gropes her, and then starts humping her?

Or is he a virgin who strips the woman naked, and then M****bates on her?

Or is he a virgin who beats the woman, knocks her down, rips her clothing, and forces his tongue down her throat?

A virginity claim is useless... It can just be acted out repression.
 
Is he a virgin, who forces a woman on her back, gropes her, and then starts humping her?

Or is he a virgin who strips the woman naked, and then M****bates on her?

Or is he a virgin who beats the woman, knocks her down, rips her clothing, and forces his tongue down her throat?

A virginity claim is useless... It can just be acted out repression.

Or maybe he didn't do it. That is a possibility.
 
My issue with her credibility is she remembered some of this after going through therapy. We'll have to see if this is accurate. I heard this morning, she will not turn over her therapists notes about the attack and her lie detector results.

Therapy has faults and therapy shows us Ford had and still may have mental health issues. Leaves me doubting her account is accurate.




It's obvious most of, if not all, of the Republicans feel this is Political and a con game. Why give in to the Democrats? Why should Kavanaugh give in if he is telling the truth. He's worked to hard for this to just give in to false allegations.

The most absurd part of the argumentation here, is the idea that if Dr. Ford has mental health issues, it invalidates her claims. Much the opposite. People who suffer traumatic events while teenagers often develop mental health issues, as a consequence. From this angle, it actually enhances her claim. And it's not like her mental health issues are any close to severe psychosis with breach of contact with reality. Remember, she is a stable, married mother with a doctoral degree who is a successful university professor. It's not like she is a bumbling fool. But yes, I bet that suffering an attempted rape while a teenager messed her up a little, which is extremely common in victims of such attacks.

By the way, four people yesterday have filed sworn statements to the Senate (this is the equivalent of testimony under oath, subject to perjury) supporting her claims. So much for the idea that nobody is backing up what she said.
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408172-kavanaugh-i-was-a-virgin-through-high-school-and-college



I haven't seen the interview yet but there's a half hour or so long clip at the link.

I mean, he's been accused of attempted rape, attempted homicide, pandering and whatever else so his defense is "Hey! I was a virgin through college!"

Not what I expected but certainly an interesting defense. Beats the hell out of just looking at old calendars.

Modern liberals cannot believe anyone makes it all the way through high school without experimenting with sex, especially when most kids are introduced to graphic sex in secular school sex ed classes. I made it through high school and 3 years in the Army before I got married and had sex for the first time. But I got saved as a teenager and the Lord spared me from causing myself and others undue grief through some sins, immoral sex being one of them.
 
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I know any kind of violent trauma like that affects individuals differently... and a lot of times it manifests itself subconsciously and maybe even years later. Even when you think the scars have healed with time, all it can take is a sound or a smell or something trivial to bring it all back again.

That being said, I do know that Dr. Ford has some pretty solid professional qualifications in her field... and from what I hear, she's pretty widely published and respected in the academic community. She certainly doesn't seem to be the type to make up a story and put her reputation on the line by coming forward unless she was certain of her accusations.

I don't want to say much about what happened to me so I'll just leave it with the little I've shared.

I considered what you're saying about Ford, there's no way for me or any of us to know why she's doing what she's doing. I do suspect she's had pressure from others to go ahead with her accusations against Kavanaugh because I do know how badly many do not want Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. I would imagine she feels this is worth it no matter the outcome or she would not be doing this, it's a gamble especially because this is a he said, she said situation. Even if Kavanaugh does get nominated to the Supreme Court, Dr. Ford will still have those who believe she is telling the truth. I doubt there is any way to prove she is lying, it's going to be who you want to believe.

I'm getting ready to watch the hearing, going to take it all in today and hopefully have a better understanding of why this is happening and what I think after the hearing is over.
 
Modern liberals cannot believe anyone makes it all the way through high school without experimenting with sex, especially when most kids are introduced to graphic sex in secular school sex ed classes. I made it through high school and 3 years in the Army before I got married and had sex for the first time. But I got saved as a teenager and the Lord spared me from causing myself and others undue grief through some sins, immoral sex being one of them.

Define sin. Define immoral sex. Define undue grief through sins. Define the lord.
 
I don't see this as a 100% false accusation. No way...

He and Thomas on the Court, Trump in the Whit House.

It will be a ***** grabbing party in the USA after the vote!
 
The most absurd part of the argumentation here, is the idea that if Dr. Ford has mental health issues, it invalidates her claims. Much the opposite. People who suffer traumatic events while teenagers often develop mental health issues, as a consequence. From this angle, it actually enhances her claim. And it's not like her mental health issues are any close to severe psychosis with breach of contact with reality. Remember, she is a stable, married mother with a doctoral degree who is a successful university professor. It's not like she is a bumbling fool. But yes, I bet that suffering an attempted rape while a teenager messed her up a little, which is extremely common in victims of such attacks.

By the way, four people yesterday have filed sworn statements to the Senate (this is the equivalent of testimony under oath, subject to perjury) supporting her claims. So much for the idea that nobody is backing up what she said.

I'm ready to watch the hearing. Hopefully all will be more clear to all of us when it is over. I have every reason to doubt Brett Kavanaugh is the sexual deviant they are making him out to be but I'm still not sure of anything. I so hope the hearing will clear things up for me. At this time I think they should have the FBI investigate but we'll see what I think after this is concluded today.
 
Modern liberals cannot believe anyone makes it all the way through high school without experimenting with sex, especially when most kids are introduced to graphic sex in secular school sex ed classes. I made it through high school and 3 years in the Army before I got married and had sex for the first time. But I got saved as a teenager and the Lord spared me from causing myself and others undue grief through some sins, immoral sex being one of them.

Good for you. I had sex with a lot of women, and I enjoyed it, and I hope they did too. Strange thing though, my relationships were always consensual. And I got news for you - It's not just liberals :2razz:
 
I don't want to say much about what happened to me so I'll just leave it with the little I've shared.

I considered what you're saying about Ford, there's no way for me or any of us to know why she's doing what she's doing. I do suspect she's had pressure from others to go ahead with her accusations against Kavanaugh because I do know how badly many do not want Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. I would imagine she feels this is worth it no matter the outcome or she would not be doing this, it's a gamble especially because this is a he said, she said situation. Even if Kavanaugh does get nominated to the Supreme Court, Dr. Ford will still have those who believe she is telling the truth. I doubt there is any way to prove she is lying, it's going to be who you want to believe.

I'm getting ready to watch the hearing, going to take it all in today and hopefully have a better understanding of why this is happening and what I think after the hearing is over.

I've got to apologize to you, Thought... I wasn't looking to re-open old wounds, and I certainly wasn't trying to press you for details. To be perfectly honest, I was just looking for a yes or no answer to gauge if you had a personal understanding of what Dr. Ford alleges she experienced.

That being said, I'd be interested in hearing your take on the testimony today... I've only gotten to watch a few excerpts hear and there, so it'd be interesting to hear the take of someone who has seen the whole thing. I actually watched a couple of clips with and without the volume just to watch the difference in body language... I found the contrast to be remarkable.
 
Good for you. I had sex with a lot of women, and I enjoyed it, and I hope they did too. Strange thing though, my relationships were always consensual. And I got news for you - It's not just liberals :2razz:

Jerry Sandusky also claimed his sex with boys was consensual, but he still went to prison for his immorality.
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408172-kavanaugh-i-was-a-virgin-through-high-school-and-college



I haven't seen the interview yet but there's a half hour or so long clip at the link.

I mean, he's been accused of attempted rape, attempted homicide, pandering and whatever else so his defense is "Hey! I was a virgin through college!"

Not what I expected but certainly an interesting defense. Beats the hell out of just looking at old calendars.

How the hell does that help. If you put your genitals in a woman's face you can still be a virgin and a disgusting women abusing pervert. The same goes with trying to grope an underage girl in her underwear. That does not make you loose your virginity either, it is just abusing women, not intercourse. This is a defense that is worthless.
 
I don't understand why Kavanaugh just doesn't take a polygraph. Ford freely took one and passed.

- Did the event happen? "No."
- Were you a virgin throughout college? "Yes."

Either he passes or he fails. If he passes, this all goes away and opinion shifts to polygraphs obviously being dumb (since both Ford and Kavanaugh can't be right). If he fails...uh-oh...but then FOX News can shift out and start running narratives on why polygraphs are inadmissible.
 
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Kavanaugh: I was a virgin through high school and college
Assuming that non sequitur remark is true:
  • Dr. Ford's claim is that he attempted unsuccessfully to have sex with her. If Brett was a virgin before doing so, based on what Dr. Ford has asserted, he remained one afterwards. Based on Dr. Ford's description of events, Brett, at most, succeeded in performing some manner and extent of forced frottage. (The problem/offense isn't the frottage in and of itself; the offense/problem is that the frottage was forced, non-consensual.)
  • Nobody has accused him of being or not being a virgin at any point in time. His status and tenure as a virgin is irrelevant to whether he sexually assaulted Dr. Ford in the manner she claims.
  • Kavanaugh has asserted that he didn't have "sexual intercourse or anything close [to] it" until after college. What exactly is "close to" sexual intercourse? "Just the tip?" "Putting it in and hold it there?" (I.e., no thrusting)

    For a 17-year-old boy, every sexual activity is thought of as being potentially a prelude to sexual intercourse. Kissing, groping and even "pillow talk" is "close" to sexual intercourse, especially in comparison to not kissing and groping. Moreover, coitus is a "stand alone" activity that can happen regardless of what activities happen before, during or after. Seventeen year-old boys aren't, after all, the most romantic creatures on the planet; indeed, they're quite far from it.

    The fact is that every sexual activity in which one may engage is something else; even anal intercourse isn't sexual intercourse, which, of course, is why, re: that activity, the word preceding "intercourse" is "anal."
    • "Sexual intercourse" (click the link above) means something very specific -- a penis inserted into vagina -- and not more or less than that, most especially not when an attorney/jurist uses that term.
    • "Virgin" also means something very specific. (click the link above)
    • "Had sex" and "sexual relations" are two ambiguous terms that can and often do refer to a range of activities that include, but are not limited to coitus.
    • Because sexual intercourse is such a narrowly defined term, and because Dr. Ford didn't assert that he had sexual intercourse with her, and because Kavanaugh introduced his virginity into the discourse, had I been a senator questioning Kavanaugh at the hearing, I'd have asked the following questions:
      • Judge Kavanaugh, you've stated that you were a virgin until after graduating from college. Aside from coitus, in what sexual activities did you engage before your 18th birthday?
      • Was there any occasion in which you engaged in those activities without the consent of the person with whom you engaged in them?
        • Please describe the nature of consent you obtained from your sexual activity partners.
      • The remarks you included in your HS yearbook about being a "Renate Alumnius" [sic] seem to imply that you had coitus with her. If, in fact, you did not engage in coitus with her, why did you publicly and for all of posterity tacitly, by way of implying something other than the truth, lie about the true nature of your interactions with her?
      • Insofar as we know you misrepresented the truth in prior Congressional testimony[SUP]1[/SUP], and insofar as we know you know you availed yourself of innuendo re: your status as a "Renate Alum," we know you've, since you were a teenager, been willing to lie to abet your own ends, be they reputational or professional. What in your comportment and remarks made since your testimony to former Sen. Ted Kennedy should give comfort that you've changed and are no longer willing to lie, under oath or not, to obtain that which you desire?
Kavanaugh's virginity claim, as an exculpatory line of reasoning, begs the audience to concur with reasoning an attempted rapist might offer by saying he is not a rapist. Such a person would be correct, but only because his attempt at rape was unsuccessful. Quite simply, be Kavanaugh's virginity assertion true or not, so effing what if he was a virgin while he was in high school.





Note:
  1. See also: Did Brett Kavanaugh give false testimony under oath?
 
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Assuming that non sequitur remark is true:
  • Dr. Ford's claim is that he attempted unsuccessfully to have sex with her. If Brett was a virgin before doing so, based on what Dr. Ford has asserted, he remained one afterwards. Based on Dr. Ford's description of events, Brett, at most, succeeded in performing some manner and extent of forced frottage. (The problem/offense isn't the frottage in and of itself; the offense/problem is that the frottage was forced, non-consensual.)
  • Nobody has accused him of being or not being a virgin at any point in time. His status and tenure as a virgin is irrelevant to whether he sexually assaulted Dr. Ford in the manner she claims.
  • Kavanaugh has asserted that he didn't have "sexual intercourse or anything close [to] it" until after college. What exactly is "close to" sexual intercourse? "Just the tip?" "Putting it in and hold it there?" (I.e., no thrusting)

    For a 17-year-old boy, every sexual activity is thought of as being potentially a prelude to sexual intercourse. Kissing, groping and even "pillow talk" is "close" to sexual intercourse, especially in comparison to not kissing and groping. Moreover, coitus is a "stand alone" activity that can happen regardless of what activities happen before, during or after. Seventeen year-old boys aren't, after all, the most romantic creatures on the planet; indeed, they're quite far from it.

    The fact is that every sexual activity in which one may engage is something else; even anal intercourse isn't sexual intercourse, which, of course, is why, re: that activity, the word preceding "intercourse" is "anal."
    • "Sexual intercourse" (click the link above) means something very specific -- a penis inserted into vagina -- and not more or less than that, most especially not when an attorney/jurist uses that term.
    • "Virgin" also means something very specific. (click the link above)
    • "Had sex" and "sexual relations" are two ambiguous terms that can and often do refer to a range of activities that include, but are not limited to coitus.
    • Because sexual intercourse is such a narrowly defined term, and because Dr. Ford didn't assert that he had sexual intercourse with her, and because Kavanaugh introduced his virginity into the discourse, had I been a senator questioning Kavanaugh at the hearing, I'd have asked the following questions:
      • Judge Kavanaugh, you've stated that you were a virgin until after graduating from college. Aside from coitus, in what sexual activities did you engage before your 18th birthday?
      • Was there any occasion in which you engaged in those activities without the consent of the person with whom you engaged in them?
        • Please describe the nature of consent you obtained from your sexual activity partners.
      • The remarks you included in your HS yearbook about being a "Renate Alumnius" [sic] seem to imply that you had coitus with her. If, in fact, you did not engage in coitus with her, why did you publicly and for all of posterity tacitly, by way of implying something other than the truth, lie about the true nature of your interactions with her?
      • Insofar as we know you misrepresented the truth in prior Congressional testimony[SUP]1[/SUP], and insofar as we know you know you availed yourself of innuendo re: your status as a "Renate Alum," we know you've, since you were a teenager, been willing to lie to abet your own ends, be they reputational or professional. What in your comportment and remarks made since your testimony to former Sen. Ted Kennedy should give comfort that you've changed and are no longer willing to lie, under oath or not, to obtain that which you desire?
Kavanaugh's virginity claim, as an exculpatory line of reasoning, begs the audience to concur with reasoning an attempted rapist might offer by saying he is not a rapist. Such a person would be correct, but only because his attempt at rape was unsuccessful. Quite simply, be Kavanaugh's virginity assertion true or not, so effing what if he was a virgin while he was in high school.





Note:
  1. See also: Did Brett Kavanaugh give false testimony under oath?


This was an excellent example of mental masturbation ending in an orgasm.
 
I've got to apologize to you, Thought... I wasn't looking to re-open old wounds, and I certainly wasn't trying to press you for details. To be perfectly honest, I was just looking for a yes or no answer to gauge if you had a personal understanding of what Dr. Ford alleges she experienced.

That being said, I'd be interested in hearing your take on the testimony today... I've only gotten to watch a few excerpts hear and there, so it'd be interesting to hear the take of someone who has seen the whole thing. I actually watched a couple of clips with and without the volume just to watch the difference in body language... I found the contrast to be remarkable.

Thank you for the apology and explanation.

After watching the entire hearing I have reason to doubt both of them.

Like I stated, Dr. Ford has a PhD in psychology and could have been acting, she knows just how a rape victim would act. Because she has said and done things that would not be how an educated woman would act, I have my doubts. Also she is a liberal, supports the MeToo movement and does not support Trump. I'm sure she does not want Kavanugh on the Supreme Court because of Roe vs Wade.

!. Her lying about not wanting to fly in order to testify. She fly's all the time
2. Her thinking her information about the sexual assault would be kept confidential.
3. Her saying the boys laughing at her was the worse thing about the sexual assault.
4. She spoke to Judge five or six weeks later, where he worked, and wondered why he was not friendly? She says Hi and she said he acted guilty. Why would she not ignore him or run away? He was one of the two who tried to sexually assault her. She even said he urged Kavanaugh on, laughed and may have been the one to push her into the room. She also stated they both locked the door. How do they both lock the door and how did she observe them both locking the door if they were pushing her? How does she know he would not have raped her too? She has never said that but you would think she would have thought that.
5. During her testimony she went from looking frightened and stressed to coming across together, knowledgeable and confident. She acted confused over certain wording during the questioning but when answering seemed to know everything quite well, like an educated woman in the field of psychology. Was not consistent. Don't know for sure what was causing this kind of behavior.
6. She's a professor and is use to speaking in front of large groups, she was not raped, she was not unclothed, in fact could you even call this a sexual assault, she did not explain exactly where he touched her, she did not say how long the assault went on and her excuse for him not undressing her was because he was so intoxicated but they manged to push her into a room, lock the door, know to turn up the music and talk with each other, even laugh.

My doubts about Kavanaugh testimony.

1. His drinking and how much was not confirmed.

2. He avoided explaining if he ever forgot things after drinking.

#. He got rattled when talking about Judge.

My conclusion is Kavanaugh and Judge did jump on her and were kidding around. She was frightened and upset. She is suffering from mental issues not related to the assault. If you can call it an assault. Kavanaugh will not admit they did this because he knows he will lose the nomination and he thinks he deserves it even if this did happen when he was 17 yrs old. She is exaggerating and he is not being truthful. Also I think her motivation is also political.

I seriously have no idea if he should be confirmed or not. I go from thinking he should to thinking he should not.
 
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Has anybody been able corroborate that Ford nutcase's story yet?

No?
How boring
 
God bless the Virgin Mary.
The Blessed Mother of Christ (J)esus.

Chosen of God to carry His Only Begotten Son in her womb. To give birth to The Lord. To raise and to tend to. To lay down to sleep and to pick up to hold. To feed and to clean. Until His age when He could wander off to the Priests and teachers during the Passover Feast. To this His mother had to retract her steps to search frantically for her child only to find Him conversing with the Leaders of Law and Teachers of the Law.

Yes. Blessed is The Virgin Mary.


'Why have you done this to us', she asked.

'Beautiful Lady, did you not know I must be at my Father's Business'?



She recalled what she received from the Angel Gabriel of how she would give birth to a Son who will be The Messiah. She pondered upon this message. What did the Angel mean when he said that the son she gave birth to was The Messiah? What was the meaning?

Even she had thought as the other (J)ews and Samaritans around Y'srael. 'When the Messiah arrives, no one will know from where He came'.

But the Child came from her womb. Yes. (J)esus came from her womb. How could no one know from where The Messiah was to come from if what The angel Gabriel told her about her son was true?


As they walked back to their home town from the Feast, she recalled His first pair of slippers she had woven together for. A very small pair. Only newly born children had feet that small to fit into those sizes. After the year of 1 and 3, new sandals needed to be woven. She recalled those sandals. How he would walk and crawl in them. Run around the home kicking up the dust and dirts. Daily, the inner home had to be swept from the incoming dust and dirt. They were content though. But Him, The Messiah? So young and The Messiah? Shouldn't The Messiah be a King or some Adult Male? After all, He was only 12.


Could the sandals such as these have been the sandals of The Messiah?

https://www.ashleysummer.co/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Ashley-Summer-Co-Boy-and-Girl-Leather-Baby-Shoes-Soft-Sole-Singapore-Toddler-Leather-Sandals.jpg



John 1:27 "...whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose."
 
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By the time He learned to latch His Own sandals, He had already begun to take upon Himself, the sins of the World.


He came to Earth with a Mission. He didn't want 1 second to be used improperly for His Father's Mission. Not 1 misspent second. And so He was without 'sin' though tempted as all men.


What was one temptation He kept separated from? The same as Mr. Kavanaugh claims. He and Mr. Kavanaugh, according to his own testimony, kept themselves free from sexual intercourse.


The struggle for Mr. Kavanaugh might have been much more difficult than for the struggle of Messiah (J)esus. Why? Mr. Kavanaugh did not have Eternity Past as Virgin to help him through as Messiah (J)esus had.


But one thing is for sure. Virginity was a lot easier to keep valuable in the earlier days of The United States, so I'm told, then in modern days of The U.S.


For those countries which were founded upon Feudalism, Tribalism, Fiefdomism, Warlordism... etc... do you think they would need 'extra' work to come out from those roots verses the countries which were founded upon Christianity or any other form of 'foundational' setting?


So of course, it would be much more 'natural' for them to think of such -ism ways to be acceptable than for those who were established upon the other -isms, such as Christianity-ism or Islam-ism or Republic-ism.

But are they 'wrong' for having the history that already has been lived many many centuries and maybe even millennials ago?
 
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Do unto your neighbors as you would like done unto you.

Countries are as neighbors, one to the other.


The desire to leave neighborhoods of shame and pain and disorder and chaos only comes by having lived in other neighborhoods more appreciated for.


Onward and upward.. But in which direction?
 
That's immaterial to whether he attempted to sexually assault her.

Also, how does he know that he didn't have sex when he was in high school? Because it never appeared in any of his calendars?

It might show he lied, and if you lie about some parts you are just as likely to lie about others.
 
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