Kavanaugh: I was a virgin through high school and college

[lurchadams]

Ron White laughed at you, alright.

How about you make a joke about assassinating the president, next? Let's see how many laughs you get.

Hey, man. I get it. You don't get me. I'll try to soldier on.

 

[lurchadams]

Well, I also limited my temptations by (mostly) avoiding scenarios where I could easily fall (Had a cute little blond thing literally crawl into my bed with me once. Needed a cold shower after that one, as they say). The only woman I've ever slept with is my wife.

Just like Turtle has described other motivated Yale students doing, who wanted to avoid issues or distractions from study and success. Or like Pence does, when y'all mock him for not going to eat with just him and a woman not a relative or his wife.

Yeah, I would have needed the shower for something else if that happened to me and I would have had some blonde company in that shower.

I'm sure it's possible Pence is a nice guy. I just can't get past his homophobia and his reverence to a horrible person.

 

[cpwill]

cpwill, you should be able to discern the noise from legitimate criticisms.

Generally. Thus far, I have yet to hear any of the latter for Kavanaugh (that are serious, anywho), but was asked my opinion about some particularly loud noise.

as I recall a legitimate criticism of Neil Gorsuch was that he sides with corporations over people. The often cited example is an opinion Gorsuch made here

The truck driver was faced with a choice, leave his cargo behind or freeze to death. He chose to leave and was fired. After he appealed to the labor board 6 judges agreed with him but, Gorsuch sided with the company. It's reasonable to predict that he will again side with a corporation's power over human life.

What if he's not supposed to side with the sympathic and understandable truck driver, but the law?

As for Kavanaugh, yeah, we'll see what happens with him. I oppose his nomination but, not because he's depraved.

Fair nuff.


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[cpwill]

Yeah, I would have needed the shower for something else if that happened to me and I would have had some blonde company in that shower.

I'm sure it's possible Pence is a nice guy. I just can't get past his homophobia and his reverence to a horrible person.

If you've started to translate "has different opinions than me" in some areas with "is therefore a bad person", how many folks do you interact with on a regular basis who are different with you in those ways?

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[Winston]

Generally. Thus far, I have yet to hear any of the latter for Kavanaugh (that are serious, anywho), but was asked my opinion about some particularly loud noise.

Kavanaugh believes Presidents should be above the law. While they are in office anyway. He believes they should be immune from investigations and subpoenas. I wonder why he was picked.

What if he's not supposed to side with the sympathic and understandable truck driver, but the law?

According to the reporting I've read there were 6 judges that also sided with the law. And Gorsuch engaged in fanciful interpretation to reach his conclusion.

When Gorsuch restricted “operating” to only “driving,” he was simply “choosing a favorite dictionary definition” of the word “operate,” as his colleagues said. So Gorsuch was not simply applying a clear-cut law. He was inventing his own rather heartless interpretation, one that supported the trucking company, which was out to save its profits, against the trucker, who was out to save his life.

I'd think you'd be more sympathetic to matters where laws jeopardize human life. And it doesn't even appear that Gorsuch was acting in a legally bound but, tragically unfortunate way. It appears he was the only judge to disagree.

 

[lurchadams]

If you've started to translate "has different opinions than me" in some areas with "is therefore a bad person", how many folks do you interact with on a regular basis who are different with you in those ways?

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I didn't say he was a bad person. I said I'm sure it's possible he's a nice guy.

 

[ThoughtIsFree]

Originally posted by Mr Person
My main issue in these threads is with posts treating her as simply not credible.

My issue with her credibility is she remembered some of this after going through therapy. We'll have to see if this is accurate. I heard this morning, she will not turn over her therapists notes about the attack and her lie detector results.

Therapy has faults and therapy shows us Ford had and still may have mental health issues. Leaves me doubting her account is accurate.

As Cardinal pointed out in another thread, it's still rather silly because the time-frame and their current congressional position means they could drop Kavanaugh and get a similar judge (in terms of jurisprudential approach) though with little to-do. This didn't happen with Gorusch, after all.

It's obvious most of, if not all, of the Republicans feel this is Political and a con game. Why give in to the Democrats? Why should Kavanaugh give in if he is telling the truth. He's worked to hard for this to just give in to false allegations.

 

[JasperL]

As I (dimly) recall, the confirmation of Gorsuch was supposed to end human rights and lead to thousands of but millions of deaths. So I guess Kavanaugh is just a mass rapist, while Gorsuch was a mass murderer.

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Building ludicrous straw men diminishes your argument considerably.

 

[JasperL]

Hookay.... I never watched Gorsuch's confirmation hearings, but I don't recall having a problem with him. He seemed like a straight shooter to me. He wouldn't have been on my short list if I were President, but I'm not President and so that's academic. The point I'm trying to make is that there wasn't any question of the man's credibility. There weren't any withheld documents pertaining to his past. No serious accusations of past behavior. Nobody coming out of the woodwork. It was all out there in the open - the way it ought to be.

Kavanaugh's nomination is exactly the opposite of all of that.

I don't know what the truth is... only Kavanaugh and Blasey Ford really know what happened back then. I will tell you this, though... whichever one of them is lying is pretty much scum. If it's Blasey Ford, well, that speaks for itself. But if it's Kavanaugh...not only is he scum for doing what he is alleged to have done, but he'd be that much worse for re-victimizing her all over again for putting her through the wringer in coming forward and denying it. I'll wait and see how credible her story is in her own words. But I've got to tell you, Kavanaugh doesn't get a whole lot of credit from me where it comes to credibility.

Yeah, the whole "I was a choir boy" stuff just killed it for me. He claims in his own HS yearbook page that he was a proud, hard-partying drunk, he joined hard-partying fraternities and secret societies in college, numerous people including Judge talk about his heavy drinking and partying, but when asked said:

"I went to an all-boys Catholic high school," explained Kavanaugh, now a federal appeals court judge. "I was focused on academics and athletics, going to church every Sunday at Little Flower, working on my service projects, and friendship – friendship with my fellow classmates, and friendship with the girls from the local all-girls Catholic schools."

 

[OscarLevant]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/408172-kavanaugh-i-was-a-virgin-through-high-school-and-college



I haven't seen the interview yet but there's a half hour or so long clip at the link.

I mean, he's been accused of attempted rape, attempted homicide, pandering and whatever else so his defense is "Hey! I was a virgin through college!"

Not what I expected but certainly an interesting defense. Beats the hell out of just looking at old calendars.

Now we know he is a liar. "100 kegs or bust" and "virgin" are incompatible. LOL !!!

 

[OscarLevant]

That's immaterial to whether he attempted to sexually assault her.

Also, how does he know that he didn't have sex when he was in high school? Because it never appeared in any of his calendars?

When a guy who, on his yearbook, is a "renate alumni" (referring to membership of a club whose members had sex with a girl named Renate )

and "100 kegs or bust" says he's a choir boy virgin....well, it goes to credibility.

Yes, it's actually relevant because what is being asked is not a guilty verdict, what is being asked for is whether or not we believe him, or her.

Thats' it.

It's all relevant.

 

[JasperL]

Generally. Thus far, I have yet to hear any of the latter for Kavanaugh (that are serious, anywho), but was asked my opinion about some particularly loud noise.

The overall 'serious' problem with Kavanaugh, forgetting the alleged sexual misconduct allegations, is he's not very truthful overall. Do you believe he received and worked with stolen emails and other data and didn't know it, for example?

What if he's not supposed to side with the sympathic and understandable truck driver, but the law?

Somehow a bunch of other judges interpreted the rule differently. The labor department has a rule protecting an employee who “refuses to operate a vehicle because … the employee has a reasonable apprehension of serious injury to the employee or the public.” The brakes on his trailer - the cargo - had failed. He refused to move it or "operate" it, because it had no brakes, so unhooked that part of the "vehicle" and drove the cab to a place where he wouldn't die of exposure. Gorsuch concentrated on the cab, and only the cab, and said he did in fact "operate" the "vehicle" and so could choose between death or getting fired...

He took a hyper-literal reading of the law to side with the company against the employee, to arrive at a clearly unjust conclusion that was obviously contrary to the intent of the rule.

 

[joko104]

I want younger folks to tell me. to the best of my knowledge, when I was in hs and in the circles I operated within, 15 year old girls didn't go to homes alone where the only other people were 17 year old males who weren't related to them. Especially if it required an adult to drive them/

Wasn't 40 years ago the pre-AIDS free-sex era on campuses and elsewhere - the ongoing sexual freedom revolution where sex with anyone and everyone was considered natural and beautiful for millions?

 

[joko104]

When a guy who, on his yearbook, is a "renate alumni" (referring to membership of a club whose members had sex with a girl named Renate )

and "100 kegs or bust" says he's a choir boy virgin....well, it goes to credibility.

Yes, it's actually relevant because what is being asked is not a guilty verdict, what is being asked for is whether or not we believe him, or her.

Thats' it.

It's all relevant.

It is false everytime a Democrat posts that Kavanaugh said his conduct was like a "choir boy."

 

[joko104]

Now we know he is a liar. "100 kegs or bust" and "virgin" are incompatible. LOL !!!

:roll:

 

[OscarLevant]

It is false everytime a Democrat posts that Kavanaugh said his conduct was like a "choir boy."

Kavanaugh's FOX news desperate plea was tantamount in asking viewers to believe he was a squeaky clean church going kid, a veritable "choir boy", which is a metaphor. This counters the portrait painted by his yearbook, and testimonies of women, at least three, thus far.

Besides, you have offered no compelling evidence to back up your assertion. I'm seeing plenty of evidence to the contrary, i.e., the Fox News video.

 

[Cordelier]

My issue with her credibility is she remembered some of this after going through therapy. We'll have to see if this is accurate. I heard this morning, she will not turn over her therapists notes about the attack and her lie detector results.

Therapy has faults and therapy shows us Ford had and still may have mental health issues. Leaves me doubting her account is accurate.




It's obvious most of, if not all, of the Republicans feel this is Political and a con game. Why give in to the Democrats? Why should Kavanaugh give in if he is telling the truth. He's worked to hard for this to just give in to false allegations.

Nice... use the fact she sought counseling to help deal with a traumatic incident from her past.

However, let's not forget here that Christine Blasey Ford is a Doctor.... and her Ph.D is in psychology. If anyone is capable of accurately assessing her mental state, I'd suggest it's probably her.

 

[ThoughtIsFree]

Nice... use the fact she sought counseling to help deal with a traumatic incident from her past.

However, let's not forget here that Christine Blasey Ford is a Doctor.... and her Ph.D is in psychology. If anyone is capable of accurately assessing her mental state, I'd suggest it's probably her.

Some people who go into that field do it because they have mental health issues. Yes she was getting therapy because her marriage was having problems. Did they end up blaming the attempted rape for the issues she was having with her marriage or did she go to the therapist because of the attempted rape? I suspect the attempted rape came up when trying to figure out why she was having issues with her marriage. Most likely many reasons for her having problems with her marriage, not just the assault. If the assault even had anything to do with her marital problems.

 

[Moot]

Well, let's look at his high school year book page. It make references to being at games and not knowing who won, being in the keg club, and a reference to a devil's triangle, which is slang for a 2 male one female threesome.

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A woman named Renate Schroeder Dolphin, who had signed the letter of support for Kavanaugh is now with drawing her support after seeing her name listed as one of his conquests on that same yearbook page.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/poli...anaugh-renate-high-school-yearbook/index.html

Now we have to wonder about the other girls he named as well...

Anne Daugherty's - I survived the FFFFFourth of July
Wendy Whitney fan club
Maureen - Tainted Whack

 

[Cordelier]

Some people who go into that field do it because they have mental health issues. Yes she was getting therapy because her marriage was having problems. Did they end up blaming the attempted rape for the issues she was having with her marriage or did she go to the therapist because of the attempted rape? I suspect the attempted rape came up when trying to figure out why she was having issues with her marriage. Most likely many reasons for her having problems with her marriage, not just the assault. If the assault even had anything to do with her marital problems.

I can imagine the psychological trauma from the attempted rape wasn't exactly conducive to a happy marriage, can't you?

 

[ThoughtIsFree]

I can imagine the psychological trauma from the attempted rape wasn't exactly conducive to a happy marriage, can't you?

From what I've heard of the assault, I don't see how it could be that traumatizing. I'm hoping she's being honest and what happened to her was traumatizing and she can't remember all that happened and has the wrong guy. That's all that makes sense to me at this time.

 

[Cordelier]

From what I've heard of the assault, I don't see how it could be that traumatizing. I'm hoping she's being honest and what happened to her was traumatizing and she can't remember all that happened and has the wrong guy. That's all that makes sense to me at this time.

Have you ever been in that kind of a situation?

 

[cpwill]

The overall 'serious' problem with Kavanaugh, forgetting the alleged sexual misconduct allegations, is he's not very truthful overall. Do you believe he received and worked with stolen emails and other data and didn't know it, for example?

I believe that the founder of the magazine whose author started that claim went to see trouble to thoroughly dismantle it, lest it do continued damage. I believe that even VOX, when they investigated, discovered that the perjury claim wasn't true.

I also believe, however, that we live in an era where tribalist partisans hear smears against people they don't like, and accept them uncritically. I believe that's part of how Trump was successful, and I believe that's why so many Leftists continue with that debunked claim.

He took a hyper-literal reading of the law to side with the company against the employee, to arrive at a clearly unjust conclusion that was obviously contrary to the intent of the rule.

Gosh. You mean he applied the law instead of trying to ignore or bend it to help a plaintiff he could reasonably have been expected to find extremely sympathetic? Good for him. We need more of that kind of personal discipline in the Judiciary. Maybe we can get him promoted, or something.


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[ThoughtIsFree]

Have you ever been in that kind of a situation?

Yes but much worse. I went to the Police and a doctor. Also I've receive therapy but I think time is the best healer. No problem with my marriage because of what happened.

 

[JasperL]

I believe that the founder of the magazine whose author started that claim went to see trouble to thoroughly dismantle it, lest it do continued damage. I believe that even VOX, when they investigated, discovered that the perjury claim wasn't true.

I also believe, however, that we live in an era where tribalist partisans hear smears against people they don't like, and accept them uncritically. I believe that's part of how Trump was successful, and I believe that's why so many Leftists continue with that debunked claim.

I tried to find the article and the best I could do was this one, which basically says, paraphrased, he might have been willfully misleading or incomplete but his statements don't rise to the level of perjury that is prosecutable in court. E.g.:

In sum, do I think future Justice Kavanaugh perjured himself? I don’t. Do I think he’s been less than forthcoming? Absolutely. Do I think he’s been more troublingly less than forthcoming than previous nominees? I do. Do I think we have less access to documents than we have with previous nominees? Yes. But I don’t think that he perjured himself.

That's some standard!

And the latest on Monday where he basically claims choir boy status in HS and college wasn't a particularly significant lie, but it's a laughable lie nonetheless, and one that we need only look at his own words in his own yearbook to verify as a lie.

Gosh. You mean he applied the law instead of trying to ignore or bend it to help a plaintiff he could reasonably have been expected to find extremely sympathetic? Good for him. We need more of that kind of personal discipline in the Judiciary. Maybe we can get him promoted, or something.

You snipped the part where I explained why his hyper-literal reading of the law was so indefensible. He didn't have to ignore or bend the rule - all he had to do was read the rule in context and apply it to a given situation, consistent with the letter and intent of the rule. Justices do that all that time.