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Kavanaugh Debacle: My Opinion.

The issue here or at least one of them is that the very same Sen Grassley that has denied an FBI investigation for Ford applauded and supported the committee chair for asking for and getting an FBI investigation for Anita Hill situation. So that sort of blows up the argument that the FBI does not do this or should not do this or can't do this in a reasonable time. They can, they should, they have and unless Grassley is so old now that he can't remember what he supported when he is just lying.
 
lol...so, let me get this straight. Are you saying that when you fooled around with a member of the opposite sex in high school, you used to cover a girl's mouth with your hand to keep her from screaming? :confused:

I'm saying a loose girl who had sex with one boy and got pregnant claimed another boy raped her so her parents would not get mad at her.
 
Just want to lay out my opinion on the Brett Kavanaugh controversy. So, as most of you already know, the Supreme Court nominee in question has been accused of attempted rape/sexual assault, from an incident way back into his high school days, when he has 16/17. This has brought into question whether or not his confirmation should be delayed.

Some far right-wing publications have taken it upon themselves to try and smear the accuser's reputation, by claiming that Christine is seeking revenge for a 1996 foreclosure case, and her being an "unhinged" liberal professor, both of which have been debunked as false. And of course this stuff was passed around by Trump supporters (I'm almost certain the r/Donald subreddit went wild over that) I think that this kind of tactic is disgusting. Attempting to deliberately smear the accused in question, to attempt to score political points, is just unbelievably disgraceful behavior. I guess it just further speaks to the extremely divisive political climate we live in today. And it just sucks. And then there are some people attempting to dismiss the behavior in question, as if what's described in the accusation is somehow "normal" for a teenager to do. And that is just absolutely ridiculous. Holding down someone on a bed, and forcibly grinding and groping them, is not "normal" in any sense of the word. That is disgusting behavior, and it's even more disgusting to try to wave it off as something inconsequential. There are also some people that are saying that because he was drunk, it's somehow excusable. And that is also just as ridiculous. Just because you are intoxicated, does not mean you are somehow absolved of any responsibility from your actions. And sexual assault is definitely not something that should be given a little slap on the wrist.

However, with that being said, this is entirely dependent on whether the incident in question actually happened or not. Do I believe that this actually happened? I have no idea, and I'm not going to make any determinations about the matter at the moment. All we have right now is a statement. Now, I know that she took a polygraph test from a former FBI Agent and passed, but that's not definitive proof of anything (obviously). I'm remaining on the fence until this situation becomes clearer. Do I think that this might've been politically motivated? Possibly-- from the Democrats (as I can see the political advantage of doing so now), but maybe not from the accuser herself, as she had wrote the letter back in July. Maybe there's something here unseen that hasn't come to light? And people may see the timing as convenient, which I can understand, but you also have to consider that there are a lot of factors that come into play, in terms of why a lot of sexual assault victims do not come out immediately with their stories (denial, fear of repercussions, shame, etc.) All in all, only time will tell how this goes. Hopefully both Brett and Christine can help clarify this incident in question as much as possible, to give us all a better picture of what went down.

That's about it. :peace

Most of the so called "fact checkers" actually confirm that she is an active Leftist who has protested against President Trump. They just distract by claiming an viral internet pic is not her.

NYT claims that on ratemyprofessor.com Christina Blasy Ford is being mistaken for Christian A. Ford. Except I went to ratemyprofessor myself and found that Christina Blasy Fords profile is restricted and Christina A. Ford doesn't appear to exist. I suspected as much when NYT did not show a screen shot.

This woman claims she knows it's Kavanagh but cant remember the month or year it happened. (Most likely knowing that Kavanagh showing he was at summer camp or on vacation in Europe or Hawaii with his parents during a specific time she named would be devastating).

Everyone who hears this story and see how the Democrats are using it knows its 100% Bull S**t. Leftist Democrat are just dishonest and desperate enough to lie about believing it.


Enjoy the Red Wave because this type of Crap is insuring it will happen.
 
She didn't even tell her husband about it until 2012, but since you are an expert in human behavior you must know her mind perfectly.

Nope, but I was using the Rachel Maddow technique of eluding to or asking a question such that it could (would?) be construed as if I was stating some fact. What, exactly, (in my quoted post) did I assert that I knew that she was thinking? Was it the betting (stating my hunch) part, the stating what I did not understand part or the questioning part?
 
Just want to lay out my opinion on the Brett Kavanaugh controversy. So, as most of you already know, the Supreme Court nominee in question has been accused of attempted rape/sexual assault, from an incident way back into his high school days, when he has 16/17. This has brought into question whether or not his confirmation should be delayed.

Some far right-wing publications have taken it upon themselves to try and smear the accuser's reputation, by claiming that Christine is seeking revenge for a 1996 foreclosure case, and her being an "unhinged" liberal professor, both of which have been debunked as false. And of course this stuff was passed around by Trump supporters (I'm almost certain the r/Donald subreddit went wild over that) I think that this kind of tactic is disgusting. Attempting to deliberately smear the accused in question, to attempt to score political points, is just unbelievably disgraceful behavior. I guess it just further speaks to the extremely divisive political climate we live in today. And it just sucks. And then there are some people attempting to dismiss the behavior in question, as if what's described in the accusation is somehow "normal" for a teenager to do. And that is just absolutely ridiculous. Holding down someone on a bed, and forcibly grinding and groping them, is not "normal" in any sense of the word. That is disgusting behavior, and it's even more disgusting to try to wave it off as something inconsequential. There are also some people that are saying that because he was drunk, it's somehow excusable. And that is also just as ridiculous. Just because you are intoxicated, does not mean you are somehow absolved of any responsibility from your actions. And sexual assault is definitely not something that should be given a little slap on the wrist.

However, with that being said, this is entirely dependent on whether the incident in question actually happened or not. Do I believe that this actually happened? I have no idea, and I'm not going to make any determinations about the matter at the moment. All we have right now is a statement. Now, I know that she took a polygraph test from a former FBI Agent and passed, but that's not definitive proof of anything (obviously). I'm remaining on the fence until this situation becomes clearer. Do I think that this might've been politically motivated? Possibly-- from the Democrats (as I can see the political advantage of doing so now), but maybe not from the accuser herself, as she had wrote the letter back in July. Maybe there's something here unseen that hasn't come to light? And people may see the timing as convenient, which I can understand, but you also have to consider that there are a lot of factors that come into play, in terms of why a lot of sexual assault victims do not come out immediately with their stories (denial, fear of repercussions, shame, etc.) All in all, only time will tell how this goes. Hopefully both Brett and Christine can help clarify this incident in question as much as possible, to give us all a better picture of what went down.

That's about it. :peace

Well said, and let me add:

During the time of Anita Hill both Senators Grassley and Hatch said the FBI investigation was the right thing to do and today they are saying it's not. So what has changed today? The only reason they are doing this is they don't want the truth to come out because if somehow Kavanaugh is not nominated or is withdrawn there will be not enough time to appoint a second appointee by the November elections and there is the bottom line.

Mrs. Ford should be afforded the same courtesy as Anita Hill, regardless of politics.
 
I applaud your skepticism. This is a serious matter and skepticism is appropriate. I make the following points in rebuttal"

1) For a woman to come forward at any time in this matter is to open herself up to the worst kind of threats and harassment. That is why it took so long for Senator Feinstein to present the letter. She had to wait for the accuser's permission. The accuser has to make the decision to come forward knowing what it might cost her in harassment and threats.

2) You are right to be concerned that this might be political in the part of Democrats, but not on the part of the accuser, who is putting herself on the line for this. There is no evidence at all that she is politically motivated.

If you don't think this takes courage on the accuser's part, look at what happened to Anita Hill.

I read cautiousness in the OP but I did not read skepticism.
 
To add

The US would not let a person convicted of Statutory rape own a gun, why would it put a person who attempted a rape on the SC regardless of age when it happened.

Again assuming her version of events is true

It was attempted rape. Statutory rape is consensual sex between a minor and an adult (but IANAL).
 
Well said, and let me add:

During the time of Anita Hill both Senators Grassley and Hatch said the FBI investigation was the right thing to do and today they are saying it's not. So what has changed today? The only reason they are doing this is they don't want the truth to come out because if somehow Kavanaugh is not nominated or is withdrawn there will be not enough time to appoint a second appointee by the November elections and there is the bottom line.

Mrs. Ford should be afforded the same courtesy as Anita Hill, regardless of politics.

The difference i see is Hill was able to provide rough dates, locations, and claimed multiple examples. Ford says one time in the early 80's at a location
She's not sure of she was partying with people whom she can't remember and 4 no maybe just 2 guys that did bad things to her.She's not sure how she got there or how she got home but demands the FBI investigate it before she'swilling to give any more details.
 
The difference i see is Hill was able to provide rough dates, locations, and claimed multiple examples. Ford says one time in the early 80's at a location
She's not sure of she was partying with people whom she can't remember and 4 no maybe just 2 guys that did bad things to her.She's not sure how she got there or how she got home but demands the FBI investigate it before she'swilling to give any more details.

Let the pros at the FBI, who, no doubt, have dealt which such things many times. Who are we to say what they are capable of?
 
Got it, your fine, as long as it serves your desires. Forgive me if i ifnore your complaimtd from this moment forward.

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No problem, I will do the same
 
Just for the record and just in what I am sure will be an entirely ignored effort to get the thread back on topic. Professor Ford's political perspective has nothing to do with anything. If some folks are simply going to revert to "she protested against trump" as a meaningful contribution to thread, we have lost the thread entirely. STOP!!!!

My God, what a mess!
 
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Here is a FACT to be considered in all of this. Age of Sen Grassley: 85. Age of Sen. Hatch: 84. Age of Sen Feinstein: 85

Any of you have people that age in your family? Have you checked their medicine cabinets lately? You really think these people should be heading Senate Committees...Any Senate Committees?
 
Here is a FACT to be considered in all of this. Age of Sen Grassley: 85. Age of Sen. Hatch: 84. Age of Sen Feinstein: 85

Any of you have people that age in your family? Have you checked their medicine cabinets lately? You really think these people should be heading Senate Committees...Any Senate Committees?

Something creepy is happening here. Most of us have maybe one family member, usually female, who is much over 80 and still breathing. Are these powerful people living on vampire blood?
 
Something creepy is happening here. Most of us have maybe one family member, usually female, who is much over 80 and still breathing. Are these powerful people living on vampire blood?

Even if they are loaded up on drugs with all of their various side effects to keep them afloat, the mental decay is obvious in all three cases. The barnacles hanging off their flanks is also obvious.

In fact, the entire GOP side of the panel looks like they are firm believers that their interaction with women should be stewarded by a club and the roots of a woman's hair.
 
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Let the pros at the FBI, who, no doubt, have dealt which such things many times. Who are we to say what they are capable of?

The pros at the FBI decided there was nothing to investigate.
 
The pros at the FBI decided there was nothing to investigate.

They don't get to make that decision. If they are asked to round out their background check they must comply. They are not being asked. You can draw your own conclusions about why they are not being asked from the same cast of characters that supported asking the FBI to look at the Thomas/Anita Hill situation.
 
Just for the record and just in what I am sure will be an entirely ignored effort to get the thread back on topic. Professor Ford's political perspective has nothing to do with anything. If some folks are simply going to revert to "she protested against trump" as a meaningful contribution to thread, we have lost the thread entirely. STOP!!!!

My God, what a mess!
Its not meaningless if her accussation is politically motivated

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Its not meaningless if her accussation is politically motivated

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Yea it is simply nonsense. Do you start or end murder investigations because you found out something about the suspects political leanings. Do you stop any investigation because of a person's political leanings. There is not a comment in this thread that should not be about the thread title. What does Ford's political leaning have to do with the thread title? Absurd as usual.
 
Judges are not rare commodities, so why don't they just find another?

I think the lady is likely telling the truth. You can't read a book by its cover, but Kavanaugh looks like a worm to me.

The crotch-grabbing Trump standing up for the man makes it look even worse. Pick another.
 
You've confused the monolythic thinking on the left with the right.

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What I am tired of is the support that Trump continues to get in spite of the consistent and repetitive incompetence shown by him. Trump is a walking disaster and he will do a lot more damage than good when it is all added up.

This is not about Democrats and Republicans and what they stand for or believe in. This is about a man that does not know what he is doing and only cares about himself, his pocketbook and his ego. When he is gone, we can resume conversations about political views. For now, he is the biggest danger the U.S. has seen in its entire existence.
 
Yea it is simply nonsense. Do you start or end murder investigations because you found out something about the suspects political leanings. Do you stop any investigation because of a person's political leanings. There is not a comment in this thread that should not be about the thread title. What does Ford's political leaning have to do with the thread title? Absurd as usual.
What does the age and gender of the senate have to do with it either but yet you felt the need to mention it. Seems you have no high ground to lecture others from.

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