Kavanaugh Debacle: My Opinion.

[Chillfolks]

I have a problem with anyone abusing the power. In 2008, there was no chance that the Constitution was at risk, now there is. The Constitution is what needs to be protected and the Republicans right now are not doing that. In 2008, that was not a problem.

Are you serious? The warrantless surveillance done by the Obama administration wasn't a constitutional issue. The government coercing citizens into buy a product wasn't a issue. The DaCA program that even Obama himself admitted he didn't have the power do do isn't an issue.

I think you meant to say back in 2008 you supported the way that administration risked the Constitution but now oppose the way this administration is risking it

 

[Luckyone]

Are you serious? The warrantless surveillance done by the Obama administration wasn't a constitutional issue. The government coercing citizens into buy a product wasn't a issue. The DaCA program that even Obama himself admitted he didn't have the power do do isn't an issue.

I think you meant to say back in 2008 you supported the way that administration risked the Constitution but now oppose the way this administration is risking it

No, I am way above that. Trump has been following all the guidelines of how to turn a Democracy into an autocracy, including nomination judges to the Federal courts and the Supreme court that could change the Constitution. This also includes denigrating the Press and our institutions such as the FBI. This all comes straight from the book of turning a Democracy into an autocracy, just like in Russia.

Obama did none of that. He used the existing system to implement his agenda but he did not try to change the law.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Crazy as it sounds, I am actually surprised when I meet a woman who has never been assaulted, be it by a relative, a friend, a parent of a friend, or complete stranger at a party. Often it happens as a kid, but often too as an adult.

Many get away at the last minute, like Ford. Some fight, others manage to scream or just cry, a few get rescued at the last second by a fluky occurrence--again like Ford--one or two actually bite down (if you catch my drift), and many just live with being groped, digitally penetrated or worse. Yes, it is happening. And, it is epidemic.

Edit to add: Now that I think about it. The only women I know who were not assaulted were the loud ones; those who talked a lot or never kept a secret. Maybe that is the key.

I am hoping that we are not conflating sexual assault with a heated up teen who goes too far. There have been a few times I had to be told "no" a second time.

What concerns me is how avoidable it is, or should be. I know with myself and any of my friends, including a parapelegic who would unquestionably respond to the sound of a woman's scream, and have done so myself.

Not of sexual origin, but a number of years ago I saw a young woman sitting in a car get punched in the face by her companion. I was in a 300 Z Turbo with a dash mounted no hands cell phone; I edged my vehicle to their side of the street facing the wrong way while calling 9-1-1 with my name etc. where we were and said " I am placing myself in harm's way" and got out of the car stepping between boyfriend and the woman and casually mentioned "my gang is coming and they all have guns, if you want at her you have to get through me, and so you know I really, really, really want you to swing.

Later the female member of the VPD admonished me as was her duty. I said "If there were more guys like me there would be less like him." In the years since I have not seen any reason to move off that stance and call on my colleagues to step up...put themselves in harm's way instead of a woman, then let's see how big "#me too" is. If we commit and follow through maybe we can make it obsolete.

It's one thing to think you're hot **** and can get away with ugly ****, it would be another entirely if all men shunned him, shamed him. They don't listen to their victims, they would if their fellow men responded appropriately.

 

[Renae]

As I have seen posts that state she mentioned the incident to her therapist and husband 6 years ago, which if true cause me to believe this is not some last minute smear attempt.

6 years ago Kavanaugh was bandied about as a possible SCOTUS nominee for Mitt Romney...

 

[Grokmaster]

Yes he won the election but the present scenario of the House, the Senate and the Presidency all in the hands of one party does open the door to do things that could end up destroying the Constitution and that is not right. The Constitution is what makes us the nation we are and if that is thrown away it will turn us into something we have never been and should not be. Trump does not believe in the Constitution. He only believes in Trump laws as he sees then and then only in a way that helps do what he wants.

Please specify what is "destroying the Constitution" other than the Clown-o-crats disgraceful smear of a duly nominated USSC candidate?

 

[year2late]

The guy she NAMED, "Mark Judge" citing as HER WITNESS, and claiming he "saved her"...says it's TOTAL BULL****.


I think she LOVES her 15 minutes, quite frankly, and has been preparing for it SINCE JULY, far from the "courageous, suffering victim" the OP's fabricated narrative seeks to portray her as.


The Duke Lacrosse Team accuser was a "poor, suffering victim", too, UNTIL THE TRUTH CAME OUT.

Blasey-Ford is a DEMOCRAT OPERATIVE...LYING HER ASS OFF.




Her accounts should be investigated for checks from Perkins Coies….

By his own admission (see his book "Wasted) he was a teen drunk up to and including blackouts. Not sure that a clear recollection of the time is anything he would be capable of.

 

[marke]

By his own admission (see his book "Wasted) he was a teen drunk up to and including blackouts. Not sure that a clear recollection of the time is anything he would be capable of.

Two kids fooling around with members of the opposite sex while illegally drinking alcohol. All the one night stand makings for a ruinous lifetime of shame for not only the two drunken teens but also their families, business associates and friends. How tragic.

 

[prometeus]

Kavanaugh should never have been nominated, just like other Justices who are on the court now but have had political positions before being nominated / confirmed. Having had a political position should be an automatic disqualifier. Justices should not be political. There are ample qualified people who do not have demonstrated political affiliations that should be sitting on the court.

 

[Chillfolks]

No, I am way above that. Trump has been following all the guidelines of how to turn a Democracy into an autocracy, including nomination judges to the Federal courts and the Supreme court that could change the Constitution. This also includes denigrating the Press and our institutions such as the FBI. This all comes straight from the book of turning a Democracy into an autocracy, just like in Russia.

Obama did none of that. He used the existing system to implement his agenda but he did not try to change the law.

That is exactly what Obama did when he changed imagration law by EO instead of using the legislative branch of government. Obama even said he didn't have the authority to do what he did few years before saying screw it I'm doing it anyway

Trump is a dick who ignores the constitution a lot no argument there. Obama was prick who ignored the constitution when it benefits him.

 

[TurtleDude]

You're right on that one ... dems started that BS with her in 2012 when the possibility existed that Romney could be elected.
On top of Romney's list for Supreme Court Justice nomination was ... Kavenaugh.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/26/holding-court

great post. I had heard Keisler would have been Romney's first choice but Kavanaugh was on the short list

 

[TurtleDude]

To add

The US would not let a person convicted of Statutory rape own a gun, why would it put a person who attempted a rape on the SC regardless of age when it happened.

Again assuming her version of events is true

you do understand two things

juvenile record vs adult

there is no evidence he could be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt

 

[TurtleDude]

Two kids fooling around with members of the opposite sex while illegally drinking alcohol. All the one night stand makings for a ruinous lifetime of shame for not only the two drunken teens but also their families, business associates and friends. How tragic.

I cannot wait for these standards to be applied to Democrat nominees in the future

 

[calamity]

Two kids fooling around with members of the opposite sex while illegally drinking alcohol. All the one night stand makings for a ruinous lifetime of shame for not only the two drunken teens but also their families, business associates and friends. How tragic.

lol...so, let me get this straight. Are you saying that when you fooled around with a member of the opposite sex in high school, you used to cover a girl's mouth with your hand to keep her from screaming?

 

[TurtleDude]

I guarantee that I would have told friends and family and would not wait 30 years (or more) to bring it up.

I can understand why a 15 year old girl-drinking and perhaps flirting with drunk boys wouldn't tell her parents she was drunk and maybe making out with boys. So I give her a pass on not reporting this to the point where it would involve the authorities if IT DID HAPPEN as she claimed.

but for her to claim she NEVER TOLD anyone strains credibility. NOW we hear another lefty from her school claims she knew about this incident. so someone is clearly lying-Ford for claiming she never told anyone or her friend

 

[TurtleDude]

Remember Merrick Garland.
We won't forget what Mitch McConnell did, not ever...ever...ever.
And you guys crying about unethical is sweet irony.

Remember Miguel Estrada and Peter Keisler. we won't forget what the Demscum did to them. not ever ever ever. and you whining about Garland is hypocritical dishonest nonsense

 

[prometeus]

I cannot wait for these standards to be applied to Democrat nominees in the future

The standards should be the same and the nominees should not be turned or assumed to be political whores. After all they are supposed to be justices applying the highest standards of law and not justifications based on political lean.
It is an absolute shame that the court has been reduced to little more than another political body. And yes all sides are to be blamed. The only question here is whether it will ever be restored to the impartial judicial body of the highest standards and by whom?

 

[TurtleDude]

Here's what I see:
An entirely corrupt administration has once again shown it is unfit for anything beyond nursery school and failed to properly vet it's chosen champion of the right.

As usual, rather than own up to a mistake, they smear a person's reputation - gee as if this were the only case. It's SOP Trump, destroy people who get in your way.

Without evidence, as none is needed, it's clear this is another palsy appointment and the man is as guilty as sin. Simply based on the fact that NOTHING Trump has ever done has been honest or in any way or benefit to anyone but him and his cronies.

I would not be surprised if they were all rapists. Nothing would shock me anymore about these bags of ****. Anyone supporting these pukes must hate women.

this might be the most idiotic take on this situation I have seen-TDS at its terminal worst

 

[TurtleDude]

Hardly, Diane Feinstein abused her power for sure;.

she needs to lose her seat over this

 

[ttwtt78640]

I can understand why a 15 year old girl-drinking and perhaps flirting with drunk boys wouldn't tell her parents she was drunk and maybe making out with boys. So I give her a pass on not reporting this to the point where it would involve the authorities if IT DID HAPPEN as she claimed.

but for her to claim she NEVER TOLD anyone strains credibility. NOW we hear another lefty from her school claims she knew about this incident. so someone is clearly lying-Ford for claiming she never told anyone or her friend

I'm betting on the friend lying to try to boost Ford's credibility. What I do not understand is why Ford was content to let Kavanaugh's career advance for so long if she was so sure that she could bring him down with this allegation - was she just swept up by the #metoo stuff and figured now it would fly without any other witnesses, a specific when or where or even a trial?

 

[JackA]

My opinion:


1. A woman alleges a sexual assault. She and her supporters demand her allegation be investigated.

2. The accused denies the allegation. He and his supporters demand the allegation not be investigated.

Intelligent and moral persons like myself should agree with the accused and his supporters and NOT want, not under ANY circumstances want, the allegation investigated. Indeed we should be offended by this woman's temerity in even calling for an investigation. This is the correct answer so don't argue. Thank you for your time.

 

[Luckyone]

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That is exactly what Obama did when he changed imagration law by EO instead of using the legislative branch of government. Obama even said he didn't have the authority to do what he did few years before saying screw it I'm doing it anyway

Trump is a dick who ignores the constitution a lot no argument there. Obama was prick who ignored the constitution when it benefits him.

You don't know what you are talking about. Explain how his actions would change the Constitution for the future? For that to happen, you need the Supreme Court to change one of the laws and that is not what Obama did

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

you do understand two things

juvenile record vs adult

there is no evidence he could be convicted beyond a reasonable doubt

Great

So now the standard for a SC judge is that he could not be convicted of a crime and he was a juvie when the incident occurred.

S

 

[trouble13]

I have a problem with anyone abusing the power. In 2008, there was no chance that the Constitution was at risk, now there is. The Constitution is what needs to be protected and the Republicans right now are not doing that. In 2008, that was not a problem.

Got it, your fine, as long as it serves your desires. Forgive me if i ifnore your complaimtd from this moment forward.

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[trouble13]

Trouble, you are not using common sense. A Supreme Court judge is different from investigators. If an investigator is found to have used a bias in his work, there is recourse. If a Supreme Court judge is found to have a bias, there is NO RECOURSE. As such, it is NOT a double standard. The picking of a Supreme Court judge must be done to the highest standards because if a mistake is made, it cannot be corrected. Supreme Court judges cannot be fired or prosecuted. An investigator can.

Of course theres recourse. 7 other judges share the bench.

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[iguanaman]

I'm betting on the friend lying to try to boost Ford's credibility. What I do not understand is why Ford was content to let Kavanaugh's career advance for so long if she was so sure that she could bring him down with this allegation - was she just swept up by the #metoo stuff and figured now it would fly without any other witnesses, a specific when or where or even a trial?

She didn't even tell her husband about it until 2012, but since you are an expert in human behavior you must know her mind perfectly.