June 27th -- Democratic Debate -- who are you NOT impressed with? (DEMS ONLY)

[TurtleDude]

The standards were having 65,000+ unique donors, and qualifying polls results in three recognized polls:

Here's who has qualified for the 2020 Democratic primary debates - CNNPolitics

Well that is very true-it is akin to saying native born-over 35, qualifies one to be president.

 

[JMR]

Well that is very true-it is akin to saying native born-over 35, qualifies one to be president.

Not quite. Sixty five thousand voters need to donate to the cause, and you must be recognized in national polls. There are literallly hundreds of millions of native born 35 year olds who do not qualify.

 

[TurtleDude]

Not quite. Sixty five thousand voters need to donate to the cause, and you must be recognized in national polls. There are literallly hundreds of millions of native born 35 year olds who do not qualify.

I was talking about the legal qualifications to be president vs. being included in that mass debate

 

[JMR]

I was talking about the legal qualifications to be president vs. being included in that mass debate

Any correlation you are making between the cited article and your post about legal qualifications is lost on me. Can you be more clear?

 

[TurtleDude]

Any correlation you are making between the cited article and your post about legal qualifications is lost on me. Can you be more clear?

You noted what was required to be on the stage-basically a certain level of support. Good ideas, experience or qualifications really not required. And I noted that no experience is needed to actually be president either. That author is a complete zero when it comes to any real qualifications to run for president.

 

[Phys251]

Biden really proved that he will let McConnel walk all over him and kiss his ass afterwards. He failed this spectacularly and still proceeded to cover up his past with furthering segregation.

Biden could have easily brushed away the "pass the torch" attack with one simple reply:

"You want this torch? Come and take it!"

And just like that, his position as frontrunner would be re-established. But not now. And his bussing gaffe only made it worse for him.

It's a safe bet that Biden will drop in the polls and Harris will rise. Sanders might even become the frontrunner despite his lackluster performance.

 

[Middleground]

Here's my take on what went down tonight:


3. Sanders looked stale. He's trying the same shtick that he did in 2016, and it just isn't working.

He's been soap boxing the same shtick for the last 30+ years. Watch an interview from the 80s and see him exhort the same core beliefs. If anything, he's about as consistent as it gets.

 

[Phys251]

He's been soap boxing the same shtick for the last 30+ years. Watch an interview from the 80s and see him exhort the same core beliefs. If anything, he's about as consistent as it gets.

He needs to at least come up with something fresh if he is going to earn my vote. But we know he won't do that.

 

[Fruityfact]

He needs to at least come up with something fresh if he is going to earn my vote. But we know he won't do that.

While you watch other politicians waffle back and forth on policy, Bernies platform has been the same for the past 40 years. His Shtick is literally unwaivering consistency. You're going to fault the man for being progressive before progressive was cool?:doh

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So you feel the 'Orange Man Bad' Hillary strategy worked then?

I think Kamala did great and was the clear winner, but it's one thing to take out Biden in one debate and entirely another to 'need to be the nominee'; that's quite a leap.

As a prosecutor and attorney general, her history was checkered and it surprises me at least a little that not one person dropped bombs on it; nonetheless it's a liability waiting to be exploited; perhaps during more intimate debates in a winnowed field: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ec8ed509d15_story.html?utm_term=.c06c6721b518 | Kamala Harris’s controversial criminal justice record, explained - Vox | The Two Faces of Kamala Harris

Hillary had more detailed plans than any candidate in generations. Plans and ideas do not win elections.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I'm going to disagree on the 2nd part. Republicans are decidedly not decent Americans. You will not court their vote with decentness. Donald Trump has a 90% approval within the Republican party and the other 10% will fall in line.

Forget about courting republicans
Independents will have largely made up their mind to choose the democrat. Those that vote for republican were just republicans all along
The most important thing is to excite the democratic base! Excite the base enough win the house senate and presidency.

Of course you can't win over Republicans, but the are minority of the electorate. You just make sure that no one other than the Republicans in Trump's base are willing to wipe their ass with their morals and dignity to vote for the guy again.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

He's been soap boxing the same shtick for the last 30+ years. Watch an interview from the 80s and see him exhort the same core beliefs. If anything, he's about as consistent as it gets.

The same ideas for 30 years, and yet to get any of the big ones implemented. You would think that tell his supporters something.

 

[Fruityfact]

The same ideas for 30 years, and yet to get any of the big ones implemented. You would think that tell his supporters something.

Ah yes, senator sanders was going to get medicare for all passed in 1980, when we couldn't even get a public option with unilateral power in 2008. Makes sense.
Mean while moderates have allowed the republican party to win everything, while the progressive agenda is becoming more and more popular everyday.

 

[bomberfox]

Ah yes, senator sanders was going to get medicare for all passed in 1980, when we couldn't even get a public option with unilateral power in 2008. Makes sense.
Mean while moderates have allowed the republican party to win everything, while the progressive agenda is becoming more and more popular everyday.

The Reagan era really changed the political landscape. Democrats have been trying to keep up with with that change ever since. Its why Clinton was able to sign away such a MAJOR banking reform from the 30s. Democrats need to realize the 90s are over. There is no going back to some golden era of civility and bipartisanship. Time to stand up and fight as hard as they can.

 

[Taylor]

Bernie came off as shrill-bullying and nutty.

Just what he needed to do to secure votes from Democrats.

 

[Middleground]

He needs to at least come up with something fresh if he is going to earn my vote. But we know he won't do that.

There is nothing fresh about Bernie. He farts dust. But that's okay -- he's consistent as **** and genuine.

 

[Middleground]

The same ideas for 30 years, and yet to get any of the big ones implemented. You would think that tell his supporters something.

Because his ideas are so far out there today, let alone 35 years ago. He was not afraid to take the unpopular path many decades ago.
But mark my words -- people are finally listening. You Yanks are slow learners.

 

[jet57]

Please wait until after the debate. Who were you NOT impressed with? (Democrats only poll -- this is a multiple choice, public poll.)

Not impressed with any of them. They went right over the most important stuff all because the questions were designed by a network for .30 second responses.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The Reagan era really changed the political landscape. Democrats have been trying to keep up with with that change ever since. Its why Clinton was able to sign away such a MAJOR banking reform from the 30s. Democrats need to realize the 90s are over. There is no going back to some golden era of civility and bipartisanship. Time to stand up and fight as hard as they can.

The nineties were hardly an era of civility and bipartisanship. The Republicans were so crazy in the nineties that they were out claiming Bill Clinton was a multiple murderer and coke dealer.

 

[Surrealistik]

Hillary had more detailed plans than any candidate in generations. Plans and ideas do not win elections.

Hillary's campaign wasn't known for its plans, but for its tireless vilification of Trump, however deserved.

 

[Puigb]

The nineties were hardly an era of civility and bipartisanship. The Republicans were so crazy in the nineties that they were out claiming Bill Clinton was a multiple murderer and coke dealer.

This. The GOP has still to this very day not gotten over losing the 1992 election after holding the white house for 12 years. And they never will.

 

[presluc]

He's been soap boxing the same shtick for the last 30+ years. Watch an interview from the 80s and see him exhort the same core beliefs. If anything, he's about as consistent as it gets.

I have to respond to this post , For America has been on the same economic policy for almost 20 yrs . Question ; Where is America today financially 15+trillion in debt .We owe the Chinese 1.5 billion maybe more, trade deficits. imports going up exports going down, more outsourcing more tax revenue gone, more budget cuts on Medicaid , medicare, S.S, education, training schools, NASA ,Veterans benefits and wages for the lower middle class down remain stagnant. Now if I'm gambling and losing I don't mind but maybe it's time to play with a new deck. Maybe it's past time the bottom half got a break with more jobs , easier health care and easier way to get a higher education and a paycheck you can live and pay taxes on , not one you can survive on. After all the rich has gotten Tax cuts , Research grants, subsidies and bailouts, and what have they done for America or the American people???.eace

 

[bomberfox]

The nineties were hardly an era of civility and bipartisanship. The Republicans were so crazy in the nineties that they were out claiming Bill Clinton was a multiple murderer and coke dealer.

That was before i could vote. Didnt pay much attention i guess heheh. Im just trying to think of why democrats even in Oregon where the GOP just walked out on a climate change bill still are stuck in this mindset that they have to “reach across the aisle”. Like what *****ing planet are they on? Why so out of touch?

 

[bomberfox]

I have to respond to this post , For America has been on the same economic policy for almost 20 yrs . Question ; Where is America today financially 15+trillion in debt .We owe the Chinese 1.5 billion maybe more, trade deficits. imports going up exports going down, more outsourcing more tax revenue gone, more budget cuts on Medicaid , medicare, S.S, education, training schools, NASA ,Veterans benefits and wages for the lower middle class down remain stagnant. Now if I'm gambling and losing I don't mind but maybe it's time to play with a new deck. Maybe it's past time the bottom half got a break with more jobs , easier health care and easier way to get a higher education and a paycheck you can live and pay taxes on , not one you can survive on. After all the rich has gotten Tax cuts , Research grants, subsidies and bailouts, and what have they done for America or the American people???.eace

Trade imbalances are not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

This. The GOP has still to this very day not gotten over losing the 1992 election after holding the white house for 12 years. And they never will.

In the last 30 years, they have only won the popular vote in a presidential election once, in 2004.