John Kelly on the Fallen Soldier Calls made by Trump. [W:33]

[JasperL]

I'm addressing the phone call event. I leave it to the rest of you to make what hay you can out of the rest. Trump has started all kinds of stuff - some of it sad, and some of it pretty funny judging by the responses. Kelly I give a pass to. The Congresswoman had no right to make a private phone call of this nature public.

Of course, Kelly tries to trash a person's character based on a lie, and it's.....whatever...:roll:

But you're not being political!

Because what I said is true. What Johnson's wife does is her business, and if she wants others in on the call who would care? If Wilson hadn't made it a public event nobody would necessarily know. That should be clear, and if it isn't, there's nothing I can do to help you here.

You just moved the goal post from listening, which "no respectable" person would do, to make it public. I disagree with the former, and agree with the latter, as I've said.

I claim no moral ground. I'm simply pointing out your failure to claim what you desire, and it's clear by your continuing argument. You get no moral points for injecting race and politics into a condolence call for a fallen soldier. Sorry. And it's on you because you continue to try to make such political points.

Again, it was also Trump, who we expect this from, and Kelly who introduced politics into this event.

Kelly was correct in that Wilson was an asshole. If I'd lost a son in combat, I imagine I'd feel the same way he does about the Congresswoman's little stunt. Trump is being who he is, and yes, he can be a pretty big asshole at times. My advice to the Congresswoman is that if she doesn't like all the crap said about her following her sorry stunt, don't do it again. I'll give Kelly a lot of leeway because I think he was genuinely torqued about Wilson. Trump is Trump, and I don't believe he'll ever change. He'll always be over the top. He'll always be speaking off the cuff and shooting from the hip. That's not an excuse for him. I'm just not expecting anything different.

If Kelly had reacted off the cuff, I might cut him some slack, but the character assassination was deliberate and planned. In a RARE appearance by him as Chief of Staff, he thought long and hard about it and decided to crawl into the gutter with a dishonest smear job. And of course the WH reaction to that becoming known was....more lies, followed by the incredible statement that to question Kelly's account we can all see was false was "inappropriate" - 4 star, you know.

And, again, you're attributing Kelly's actions to legitimate human emotions, regrettable but understandable, but denying the same consideration to Rep. Wilson. How do you know Rep. Wilson was NOT actually offended, whether that was Trump's intent or not (and I don't believe he intended anything disrespectful)? Kelly can pre-plan a character assassination and it's no biggee for you, but a woman still in the process of helping Johnson's family bury their dead loved one cannot fly off the cuff and you cut her NO slack? Doesn't seem like a consistent standard...

I'm sure there are people here who would make such comments. I don't view race as a necessarily divisive issue, and I don't take kindly to people who choose to make it so.

eace

 

[FastPace]

A thousand times I stated the Iraq invasion was a MILITARY win?

I call that another lie.

Get back to me when you have something new.

And true.

Impossible as it is for a lifer NCO who lives by rote recitation and repetition. The guy who spent a career in the All Recruited Force -- ARF.

I think he was stating you were telling lies.

And if pointing that out angers you don't feel the need to post up links to some threads I regard as beneath me, because I don't frequent and engage in child molester discussions or bully discussions. Because I'm cut from suede.

You know... how I'm pretty sure you put down Dr. Ben Carson who is black and had no problem when white liberals spoke about him being mentally challenged. But you were claiming in this any white person that questions the brilliance of whoever this black female politician is has to be racist.


Warning: Video Rap Song Not PC Content. Not Good for Work or School.

Bone Thugs-N-Harmony - "Mo' Murda"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_R._White

Michael White (born August 13, 1951) is an American politician of the Democratic party and was the 55th and longest-serving mayor of Cleveland, Ohio encompassing three four-year terms, from 1990 to 2002. He was Cleveland's second African American mayor as well as the city's second youngest mayor.

He also declared October 30, 1994 "Bone Thugs~N~Harmony Day" in the city of Cleveland to honor the hometown rappers.[2]

We can call Oct. 30th Mo Murda (More Murder) Day. The Democratic Party as elected officials making scientific and cultural history far and above Dr. Ben Carson as they are.

Bone Thugs N Harmony, and what's the white rapper from Detroit... Eminem... they probably looooove the LGBTQ people so much more than me too. Maybe. And maybe most their homies in American prisons do too. I wonder?







Oh, no, if more black males turned out like Dr. Ben Carson the whole of the Black-American community would collapse. Better we promote gangsta rappers--known to be *violently* homophobic often--than Ben Carson who simply *intellectually* disagrees with certain propositions.

 

[Tangmo]

The right are really losing it while the mass of rightwhingenuts have completely lost the plot. They never had much of a grip on things anyway. I am not alone either when I say I don't know how some of these posts manage to pass muster around here. It seems the bar keeps getting lower and lowered still.

It tracks Trump degenerating as he gets the incoming from above, from straight out front of him between the eyes and from down below in the ranks of survivors to include widows. It is especially grim to also see no bottom in sight for those whose only way is to recite and repeat forever and from beyond the outer limits.

The past several pages testify to the degeneracy of the Trump presidency and of its boyz near and far.

Do carry on from over there. There's precious time to lose driving on to the triumph of the will.

 

[bubbabgone]

Which post is like another?

Rinse and repeat.

Then spin.

At the Day Care Center.

Which of these 3 statements is unlike the other 2?
(A) "he knew what he signed up for, but I guess it still hurt."
(B) "he knew what he signed up for ... but when it happens, it hurts anyway,"
(C) "he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyway."

Answer and we can take it from there.
Why are you so afraid to answer?

 

[Tangmo]

Which of these 3 statements is unlike the other 2?
(A) "he knew what he signed up for, but I guess it still hurt."
(B) "he knew what he signed up for ... but when it happens, it hurts anyway,"
(C) "he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyway."

Answer and we can take it from there.
Why are you so afraid to answer?

The rightwhinge operates from loaded questions or repeat questions or both, not to mention the baiting the rightwhinge does for free thx.

So it's off to the Adult Day Care Center for youse over there...

:spank:

 

[Fledermaus]

The right are really losing it while the mass of rightwhingenuts have completely lost the plot. They never had much of a grip on things anyway. I am not alone either when I say I don't know how some of these posts manage to pass muster around here. It seems the bar keeps getting lower and lowered still.

There is a 'Report' button you can use if you feel TRIGGURD.

Don't be surprised if you get no relief given the insults you tend to throw around.

 

[Fledermaus]

The rightwhinge operates from loaded questions or repeat questions or both, not to mention the baiting the rightwhinge does for free thx.

So it's off to the Adult Day Care Center for youse over there...

:spank:

The questions would not need repetition if you answered them.

 

[Tangmo]

There is a 'Report' button you can use if you feel TRIGGURD.

Don't be surprised if you get no relief given the insults you tend to throw around.

The questions would not need repetition if you answered them.

That would be your own personal, individual, isolated triumph of the will.

There's no doubt.

Think again however. Or just think.

 

[Fledermaus]

That would be your own personal, individual, isolated triumph of the will.

There's no doubt.

Think again however. Or just think.

Implied accusation of being a Nazi.

Please provide evidence that I am a Nazi or cease.

 

[bubbabgone]

The rightwhinge operates from loaded questions or repeat questions or both, not to mention the baiting the rightwhinge does for free thx.

So it's off to the Adult Day Care Center for youse over there...

:spank:

Notice A, B, and C are in quotes.
I trust you know what quotes mean.
In this case it means it isn't a loaded question.
Very simple ...

Which of these 3 statements is unlike the other 2?
(A) "he knew what he signed up for, but I guess it still hurt."
(B) "he knew what he signed up for ... but when it happens, it hurts anyway,"
(C) "he knew what he signed up for, but it hurts anyway."

All it takes is familiarity with the language and the implied or direct meaning of words.
Is that in your comfort zone?

 

[Bodi]

Our life experiences shape our values and our perspectives. For instance, Bill Maher (a White Man) faced wide criticism for using the term "House Nigger". Black people, so I think, have more liberty to use that expression than White people. General Kelly has his hands full dealing with Trump. It offended me when Kelly repeatedly used the expression Empty Barrel to describe Wilson. It would offend me if Kelly used that term to describe Senator Duckworth (an Asian-American).

Nothing Congresswoman Wilson said or did offended me. I believe La David Johnson's family appreciates and supports Wilson's actions and words. Much like segregation lingered as the Law of the Land for 58 years, 1896 - 1954, this issue, alleged disrespect and disparate treatment by a sitting President to a grieving military family, became spotlighted by Wilson bringing it to public attention. I applaud her for it. Add to my life experience, my late mother, a proud 5'2" Puerto Rican, dressed to the nines and loved to accent her attire with a noticeable hat!

Alleged actions should be accurate and non-partisan though. Did Trump stick his foot in his mouth... probably... does it merit this reaction? Not really... unless it can be proven his intent was to be disrespectful.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

Alleged actions should be accurate and non-partisan though. Did Trump stick his foot in his mouth... probably... does it merit this reaction? Not really... unless it can be proven his intent was to be disrespectful.

Trump's proven himself as an Equal Opportunity Offender. IMO, he did not initiate the call to Johnson's widow intent on offending her or any of Johnson's grieving family.

Members of the House and Senate, in general, vie for opportunities to garner free publicity. Florida, 3rd most populous state, has 27 members in the House, 16 GOP, 11 DEM. I can only name maybe half from memory. Like many in DP, I have never worked for any politician beyond the free volunteer level. I live in Florida, born in Miami 1956 and, still, knew nothing about Wilson before this incident. I knew more about Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen and her Tran, female-to-male son, Rodrigo. This incident, alleged disrespect and disparate treatment of a fallen soldier, has put Wilson on the Map!

 

[Bodi]

Trump's proven himself as an Equal Opportunity Offender. IMO, he did not initiate the call to Johnson's widow intent on offending her or any of Johnson's grieving family.

Members of the House and Senate, in general, vie for opportunities to garner free publicity. Florida, 3rd most populous state, has 27 members in the House, 16 GOP, 11 DEM. I can only name maybe half from memory. Like many in DP, I have never worked for any politician beyond the free volunteer level. I live in Florida, born in Miami 1956 and, still, knew nothing about Wilson before this incident. I knew more about Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen and her Tran, female-to-male son, Rodrigo. This incident, alleged disrespect and disparate treatment of a fallen soldier, has put Wilson on the Map!

Agreed it has put her on the map... and I think that was her intention.

From my limited knowledge it seems her outrage is insincere. Trump deserves a ton of bad press... he has earned it... I just find all these witch hunts to get him for things that are either not a big deal or completely made up to be counter-productive.

 

[Paperview]

Agreed it has put her on the map... and I think that was her intention.

From my limited knowledge it seems her outrage is insincere. Trump deserves a ton of bad press... he has earned it... I just find all these witch hunts to get him for things that are either not a big deal or completely made up to be counter-productive.

Or maybe she just felt the need to speak out on behalf of her constituent and family members she has known for decades.

Occam.

 

[Bodi]

Or maybe she just felt the need to speak out on behalf of her constituent and family members she has known for decades.

Occam.

Speak out? Why can't they do that themselves... then there is the whole thing about being on speaker phone.

How long she has known them is irrelevant.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Finally, the "proof" Mr. Trump promised:



I figured it was something like this when his Press Secretary said people were present when Mr. Trump made the call.

So, cue the nay-sayers who choose to believe a Congresswoman who admits she didn't hear the whole call, but strangely just the part she got up in arms about. :coffeepap:

Based on the comments from the mother in the last few days, all this accomplishes is prove that Kelly is also a liar, and his supporters are out of their minds desperate for ONE statement from Caesar Trumpitous somehow manages to keep his dick out of ****

 

[Paperview]

Speak out? Why can't they do that themselves...

How dare a congressperson speak on behalf of her constituency! How DARE SHE! The nerve!!

then there is the whole thing about being on speaker phone.

How dare she use speakerphone!! HOW DARE SHE!

 

[JasperL]

Speak out? Why can't they do that themselves... then there is the whole thing about being on speaker phone.

How long she has known them is irrelevant.

You're straightforward generally, so can you explain why there is any issue with the speaker phone. You've got a car full of grieving friends and family. I'd think that when POTUS calls in as planned, and they are planned, that it is completely natural and appropriate for the POTUS's condolences to be heard by ALL those within earshot.

The POINT of the call is to help the family in a tough time. So try as I might, I just cannot find a problem with a widow allowing others to hear POTUS's words. I'd think that's a good thing, at least normally - that's POTUS calling, one of the most powerful men on the planet. I'm sure many people would be honored and comforted he'd take the time to call. Why should we expect the family to limit the honor to just the widow, or just to mom, and not the also grieving kids, etc.

I don't get it. If you can help explain it, that'd be great.

 

[Moderate Right]

Have you heard the Family disavow what the Congresswoman stated?

That's because they verified the PARTIAL conversation.

 

[Moderate Right]

What the Congresswoman did was a textbook smear tactic.
You take a portion of what someone said, in this case a portion of a sentence, wrap her own narrative around it, and sit back and watch the usual suspects run with it.

Exactly!

 

[Moderate Right]

The thing is Trump has made many of these calls and all the left can complain about is ONE call where not only wasn't it recorded but the Democratic resistance congresswoman admitted to not hearing the whole conversation, only the part that she wanted to politicize while the family was grieving. On the other hand, we have had numerous other Gold Star Widow calls where the families sang Trump's praises and even one of those that was actually recorded. So, Democrats, as usual, are about 1 out of 100 and trying to make the most out of that one.

 

[Bodi]

You're straightforward generally, so can you explain why there is any issue with the speaker phone. You've got a car full of grieving friends and family. I'd think that when POTUS calls in as planned, and they are planned, that it is completely natural and appropriate for the POTUS's condolences to be heard by ALL those within earshot.

The POINT of the call is to help the family in a tough time. So try as I might, I just cannot find a problem with a widow allowing others to hear POTUS's words. I'd think that's a good thing, at least normally - that's POTUS calling, one of the most powerful men on the planet. I'm sure many people would be honored and comforted he'd take the time to call. Why should we expect the family to limit the honor to just the widow, or just to mom, and not the also grieving kids, etc.

I don't get it. If you can help explain it, that'd be great.

I find the idea of speaker phone very disrespectful. The President is calling to speak to the widow. If he agreed to it that was foolish and if he did not then I am not sure I believe any of it. If he did say those words the next thing that matters is the intent. If somebody said to me, "he knew what he signed up for" I would not freak. It is not hte greatest choice of words but it is not malicious in the entirety of ALL of the words that he said. The soldier did know he signed up to fight and possibly die. Personally I would probably shrug my shoulders and agree... "yeah Mr. President, it is a very dangerous job".

 

[Bodi]

How dare a congressperson speak on behalf of her constituency! How DARE SHE! The nerve!!


How dare she use speakerphone!! HOW DARE SHE!

Whoa! Settle down there buddy...

 

[Floridafan]

The thing is Trump has made many of these calls and all the left can complain about is ONE call where not only wasn't it recorded but the Democratic resistance congresswoman admitted to not hearing the whole conversation, only the part that she wanted to politicize while the family was grieving. On the other hand, we have had numerous other Gold Star Widow calls where the families sang Trump's praises and even one of those that was actually recorded. So, Democrats, as usual, are about 1 out of 100 and trying to make the most out of that one.

Trump has not made many of these calls, in fact very few. At no time did the congresswoman say that she only heard part of the conversation. Trump can't stop lying, first he says that he sends letters to the families, and then must rush out and send them, after the fact

 

[JasperL]

I find the idea of speaker phone very disrespectful. The President is calling to speak to the widow. If he agreed to it that was foolish and if he did not then I am not sure I believe any of it.

Explain to me how it's disrespectful for e.g. a mother, with three kids, allowing those kids to hear the POTUS call and offer his condolences. I'd think it would be a fantastic memory for many kids, just for example, and meaningful to them to know he was important enough for POTUS to call. So why is it different for a mother, or sister, or close friend?

And IMO, a POTUS not agreeing to let other family/loved ones listen would make him an insensitive asshole. It's about the family, not what POTUS might prefer.

If he did say those words the next thing that matters is the intent. If somebody said to me, "he knew what he signed up for" I would not freak. It is not hte greatest choice of words but it is not malicious in the entirety of ALL of the words that he said. The soldier did know he signed up to fight and possibly die. Personally I would probably shrug my shoulders and agree... "yeah Mr. President, it is a very dangerous job".

I've defended Trump's call many times. That he made it is the 99% answer for me - the 1% is far less important than he made the effort.

No offense or anything, but we're just 180 degrees apart on this.