Joe Biden: My VP pick will be a woman

[Cordelier]

From clueless to obnoxious. I'm not seeing any reason to read another of your posts. I'll bend over backwards to give you one more chance to say something worth reading, not in this thread.

Well, hell Craig... if you're just going to talk to people who agree with you, why bothering posting at all?

You strike me as one of those people who blame sharks for attacking innocent people. Sharks just do what they're supposed to do... kill and eat. Guess what? If you're in the water, you're just another hamburger from the shark's perspective. Same thing goes for prosecutors and accused individuals. So don't blame the shark.... blame the lifeguard who was supposed to be keeping a watchful eye out and protecting people.

 

[marke]

Joe Biden announced that he's going to pick a woman as his Vice Presidential candidate. Who will he pick? Is this a good idea to pick a woman instead of being open to picking a man?

Here are some real possibilities:

FORMER 2020 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES

Tulsi Gabbard - Congresswoman from Hawaii
Kamala Harris - U.S Senator from California
Amy Klobuchar - U.S Senator from Minnesota
Elizabeth Warren - U.S Senator from Massachusetts

CURRENT SENATORS

Tammy Baldwin - U.S Senator from Wisconsin
Tammy Duckworth - U.S Senator from Illinois
Maggie Hassan or Jeanne Shaheen - U.S Senator from New Hampshire, former Governor of New Hampshire

CURRENT GOVERNORS

Michelle Lujan Grisham - Governor of New Mexico
Gretchen Whitmer - Governor of Michigan

U.S CONGRESSWOMEN

Val Demings - 10th district from Florida
Veronica Escobar - 16th district from Texas (Beto O'Rourke's seat)

OTHER CANDIDATES

Stacey Abrams - Georgia House of Representative, former candidate for Governor of Georgia
Michelle Obama - Former First Lady of the Unite States
Susan Rice - National Security Advisor under President Obama
Sally Yates - Deputy Attorney General for President Obama, fired from her post by President Trump in 2017 after one month.

No democrat would be as good as someone like Nikki Haley, for example, or any of a number of other republicans. But Biden will not likely pick someone good for America over someone who will promote bad democrat policies.

 

[Cordelier]

Your point is well taken Corde yet Warren's constituency would get a boost to know through the proverbial grapevine that Warren would be Sec of Treasury or some such if Biden wins which is increasingly likely given Trump is busy making Jimmy Carter look good and maybe even great.

Baker meanwhile owes nothing to the RNC and the Republican party given Baker himself alone accomplished the feat of succeeding Deval Patrick and returning the corner office to the moribund and sparse Massachusetts GOP that has nothing else to call its own. Baker only turned to the anti gay marriage Polito for Lt.Gov. after he twisted her arm to support gay marriage and because there's no Republican of any credibility much less stature to put on his ticket.

Baker is still denying he will resign so Polito can become the incumbent in the 2022 contest which will very likely have either Marty Walsh or Maura Healey bringing Democrats back to the party against Polito who herself hasn't run independently on a statewide ballot. Walsh as Boston mayor and with his nick Mayor of Massachusetts needs no such factor in his name recognition, reputation, credibility as limits Polito. Healey the AG has that track record already.

Remember also the sad misfortune of the Republican women lieutenant governors who have succeeded the male governor on his resignation and who failed miserably to win their own election as governor. In addition to Polito being more socially conservative than Baker and not having the strong Bakers' Dozen fiscal background Baker presented in his successful campaigns, Polito has nothing in her own history that says she herself could win being on a statewide ballot for anything. Polito might even fail running for Commonwealth Dog Cather (were there such a post ha).

You're working constantly to try to pump up the political weakling Polito because she's all there is whether it would be for the senate should Warren leave or for governor after Baker decides he's through making a measly $180 grand a year. Mass Republicans haven't been able to field a team since the championship season of Ed Brooke, John Volpe and Eliot Richardson so your pickins are slim indeed.

I'm not pumping up anyone... I'm just saying that the risks of losing the Senate seat don't justify naming Warren VP or to the cabinet. It's pure pragmatism. That, and having Warren as Secretary of the Treasury would be a disaster. I'd much rather have someone like Sarah Raskin.

 

[JMR]

Not likely... next Gubernatorial election is in 2022 and Baker is popular and not term-limited.

I meant the Senate elections.

 

[JMR]

There's a mixed record. Was she strong against banks, or weak? She's trying to look strong - but there's a question whether that record was very mixed. She buried her staff's report contradicting her position. Is she a progressive, or a faux progressive? Some try to look progressive while serving the powerful first.



New book whacks Kamala Harris’ AG record during housing crisis - POLITICO



Kamala Harris Touts Tough-on-Banks Record. Others See a More Complicated Picture - WSJ



Kamala Harris has complicated history with Wall Street

Contrast the reportihg above that her staff strongly supported prosecuting Mnuching, and this:



Kamala Harris Fails to Explain Why She Didn’t Prosecute Steven Mnuchin’s Bank | The Center for Popular Democracy

I'm not going to spend an hour trying to find her whole history to discuss. I'm saying what my impression of her has long been. We could do worse, we could do better. In that sense, she is something of a fit to Biden.

I appreciate you explaining your opinion of her.

 

[Cordelier]

I meant the Senate elections.

I don't quite follow you.... which one?

 

[JMR]

I don't quite follow you.... which one?

All of them. If the Democrats take the Senate by a good margin her replacement is not such an issue. And as previous posts point out, a Republican appointee is not a sure thing.

 

[Cordelier]

Who does she think she is? Someone who lost an election and wouldn't concede defeat and who deserves to be tapped as VP as a consolation prize. I think she needs to think more deeply about what Dr. King said about the content of one's character and then to work on that.

I agree completely.... it was like Beto O'Rourke running for President. What was the point?

I get that running statewide as a Democrat in a Red State is a hard task. But there's no prize for coming in second-place. It's impressive that they both managed to come as close as they did... but as my old man used to like to tell me, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

 

[Cordelier]

All of them. If the Democrats take the Senate by a good margin her replacement is not such an issue. And as previous posts point out, a Republican appointee is not a sure thing.

Take the Senate by a wide margin? *L* That's pretty ambitious, don't you think?

I can see winning seats in Maine and Colorado - maybe Arizona.... but Alabama is pretty much a write-off. I don't see a "blue wave" shaping up. There are Republican seats I'm hopeful about - like Iowa and North Carolina - but by and large, most of them are pretty safe Republican holds.

 

[Perotista]

I.

Here's an article just released on Biden's VP choices.

"VP sweepstakes: Biden could consider these female Democrats as a running mate"

VP sweepstakes: Biden could consider these female Democrats as a running mate | Fox News

And another from Politico

"Biden squeezed on his most critical decision: His VP pick"

Biden squeezed on his most critical decision: His VP pick - POLITICO

 

[JMR]

Take the Senate by a wide margin? *L* That's pretty ambitious, don't you think?

I can see winning seats in Maine and Colorado - maybe Arizona.... but Alabama is pretty much a write-off. I don't see a "blue wave" shaping up. There are Republican seats I'm hopeful about - like Iowa and North Carolina - but by and large, most of them are pretty safe Republican holds.

I think Maine Colorado and Arizona are definite and Biden's VP will preside. I also expect a divided Senate to behave much better once Trump is gone and Mitch goes to second chair.

 

[Cordelier]

I think Maine Colorado and Arizona are definite and Biden's VP will preside. I also expect a divided Senate to behave much better once Trump is gone and Mitch goes to second chair.

I'd caution you to avoid counting your eggs before they hatch... Collins and Gardner are both pretty savvy operators. Neither one of them are the type to write off before all the counting is done.

 

[JMR]

I'd caution you to avoid counting your eggs before they hatch... Collins and Gardner are both pretty savvy operators. Neither one of them are the type to write off before all the counting is done.

I have to keep optimistic! Susan Collins has lost any support she once had from democrats and independents after proving she is no longer a moderate and will toe the party line no matter how ridiculous. Gardner is running in a state turning more blue by the second. I think their time is up. That is not to say I don't think their challengers should work like crazy.

 

[Cordelier]

I have to keep optimistic! Susan Collins has lost any support she once had from democrats and independents after proving she is no longer a moderate and will toe the party line no matter how ridiculous. Gardner is running in a state turning more blue by the second. I think their time is up. That is not to say I don't think their challengers should work like crazy.

I agree that they're both on the ropes.... but that's where a good counter puncher is the most dangerous. They're both going to be good races to watch.

Back to the main point, though... even if everything goes the Democrats' way, realistically, we're still looking at a razor-slim majority for whichever party gets it. It won't be a good time to start surrendering seats by giving appointments to Senators from states with Republican Governors.

 

[Craig234]

Well, hell Craig... if you're just going to talk to people who agree with you, why bothering posting at all?

Happy to talk to people who disagree, who don't refuse to listen, who aren't obnoxious...

You strike me as one of those people who blame sharks for attacking innocent people.

Nope. Didn't bother reading more of your now combining clueless and obnoxious.

 

[Tangmo]

I'm not pumping up anyone... I'm just saying that the risks of losing the Senate seat don't justify naming Warren VP or to the cabinet. It's pure pragmatism. That, and having Warren as Secretary of the Treasury would be a disaster. I'd much rather have someone like Sarah Raskin.

Get real friend because Biden will choose as his VP the woman he believes will help him win the presidency for himself, for the party and for the country. One senate seat in one state is virtually nothing compared to winning the presidency.

If Biden chooses Warren then the DNC and the Senate Democratic Campaign Committee will have the job of lining up that seat for the next election.

Further, there's no way Biden or the party can nail down what Baker would do if Biden selected Warren, nor can Biden or the party know whether the one seat per se will change the control numeric of the senate.

So with Baker as governor the Republican party in MA has only one Republican to appoint if there is to be a vacated Warren senate seat and that is, as we know, your political weakling Polito. If so Polito who would become the third Republican lady lieutenant governor to succeed to the governorship then have to stand on her own, the two previous ones having lost in the very next election despite a measure of incumbency that proved to be an all too modest one.

I reiterate the reason you're trying to pump up Polito is that she'd be the only person MA Republicans would have in the event of Warren leaving the Senate to enter a Biden cabinet.

 

[Cordelier]

Get real friend because Biden will choose as his VP the woman he believes will help him win the presidency for himself, for the party and for the country. One senate seat in one state is virtually nothing compared to winning the presidency.

If Biden chooses Warren then the DNC and the Senate Democratic Campaign Committee will have the job of lining up that seat for the next election.

Further, there's no way Biden or the party can nail down what Baker would do if Biden selected Warren, nor can Biden or the party know whether the one seat per se will change the control numeric of the senate.

So with Baker as governor the Republican party in MA has only one Republican to appoint if there is to be a vacated Warren senate seat and that is, as we know, your political weakling Polito. If so Polito who would become the third Republican lady lieutenant governor to succeed to the governorship then have to stand on her own, the two previous ones having lost in the very next election despite a measure of incumbency that proved to be an all too modest one.

I reiterate the reason you're trying to pump up Polito is that she'd be the only person MA Republicans would have in the event of Warren leaving the Senate to enter a Biden cabinet.

I can guarantee to you that Elizabeth Warren isn't in the running for VP. Ain't no way, ain't no how. 1) She doesn't get the ticket any more votes than it'd already get; and 2) She's too much of a loose cannon to put in the one Executive branch position whose occupant the President can't fire.

 

[Tangmo]

I can guarantee to you that Elizabeth Warren isn't in the running for VP. Ain't no way, ain't no how. 1) She doesn't get the ticket any more votes than it'd already get; and 2) She's too much of a loose cannon to put in the one Executive branch position whose occupant the President can't fire.

No need or desire to "guarantee" anything to me much less about Sen. Elizabeth Warren vis a vis what will be the Biden-______ ticket. I don't given Warren a snowball's chance as I see a ton of positives to Beiden to choose Sen. Klobuchar. I think most political types who are doing the reckoning on it figure Klobuchar.

Had you said this a couple of pages ago you could have saved each you and I a lot of back and forth. All the same it's good to see you've quit on Polito who I've noted is a political weakling in any event.

 

[Cordelier]

No need or desire to "guarantee" anything to me much less about Sen. Elizabeth Warren vis a vis what will be the Biden-______ ticket. I don't given Warren a snowball's chance as I see a ton of positives to Beiden to choose Sen. Klobuchar. I think most political types who are doing the reckoning on it figure Klobuchar.

Had you said this a couple of pages ago you could have saved each you and I a lot of back and forth. All the same it's good to see you've quit on Polito who I've noted is a political weakling in any event.

I picked Klobuchar back on Page 2 of this thread. Hell, I pretty much figured she was running for VP from the get-go when she gave that speech in the snow.

I don't care about Polito one way or another... I'm just saying Warren isn't going to get a cabinet post because Baker will name her successor. More than likely it'd be a Republican - but maybe it won't. Either way, Biden isn't going to roll the dice. First off, he doesn't want her in the cabinet... and second, since it wouldn't be politic to say he doesn't want her, the Baker angle gives him a reasonable excuse for not naming her.

 

[nota bene]

I agree completely.... it was like Beto O'Rourke running for President. What was the point?

I get that running statewide as a Democrat in a Red State is a hard task. But there's no prize for coming in second-place. It's impressive that they both managed to come as close as they did... but as my old man used to like to tell me, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Ah, don't get me started on Beto. His temporary "ascendency" was surreal and bizarre and just so manufactured.

 

[Cordelier]

Ah, don't get me started on Beto. His temporary "ascendency" was surreal and bizarre and just so manufactured.

Exactly.... I think both Beto and Abrams are what I call John Edwards-class politicians.... superficially, they seem new and exciting.... but if you scratch under the surface, there's not a whole lot there.

 

[nota bene]

Exactly.... I think both Beto and Abrams are what I call John Edwards-class politicians.... superficially, they seem new and exciting.... but if you scratch under the surface, there's not a whole lot there.

There's definitely not any "there" there with Beto except his father-in-law's money and ambitions.

 

[Tangmo]

Exactly.... I think both Beto and Abrams are what I call John Edwards-class politicians.... superficially, they seem new and exciting.... but if you scratch under the surface, there's not a whole lot there.

Sort of like Polito in Massachusetts.

The one with the VACANT sign across the forehead.

That one, yes, who no one ever heard of besides...or will ever hear of again.

 

[Cordelier]

Sort of like Polito in Massachusetts.

The one with the VACANT sign across the forehead.

That one, yes, who no one ever heard of besides...or will ever hear of again.

I think you're giving Polito a raw deal.... but I'm not going to belabor the point with you because in your eyes that means I'm probably managing her campaign or some other off-the-wall assertion.

 

[Tangmo]

I think you're giving Polito a raw deal.... but I'm not going to belabor the point with you because in your eyes that means I'm probably managing her campaign or some other off-the-wall assertion.

Hey forget it cause even Polito wouldn't have you manage her campaign or her recently purchased million-dollar estate on the historic Shrewsbury lakefront that includes her own private island. As Lt.Gov. of Massachusetts the Republican Polito isn't doing too badly or so it could seem. So I'm sure that if Polito needs you she'll call you. That's all I have to say about it as you may be pleased to learn.