Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightm[W:180]

[jmotivator]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Took it easy on her? They sure had a funny way of showing it what with all the leaks to the media and GOP, constant public grandstanding, and only letting the public know the FBI was investigating Clinton, while keeping it an internal secret that several Trump campaign members were under investigation.

Then again, anything other than a public hanging of Clinton wouldn't satisfy the right.

LOL!! Are you of the opinion that the Trump investigation wasn't common knowledge? What news were you watching from 2015 through the present? No leaks there!! :roll:

And I don't need or support a public hanging. I need her to stand trial on all counts of flagrant violations of national security protocols and purposeful efforts to skirt FOIA regulations. None of those are capital offenses.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I just read the title of the thread and laughed... his Firing made his family a nightmare, But yet, no responsibility that McCabe mad Trump's life and family a nightmare through all the current BS?


Reap what you sow....and whow is me huh? Yet he was FIRED by the OPR by guidance from the IG? NOT trump.... Dumb@SS.....

This is Peak Victim Culture, she has every reason to think that her appeal will work.

Me, I had enough of that dead end years ago.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I'm no fan of McCabe or Comey. My opinion of their handling of the FBI investigation in 2016 of both Clinton and Trump is a pretty negative one. They were both caught up in the lime light, constantly talking to the media about Clinton, while keeping the investigation into Manafort, Page, and Papa that were close to become criminal in nature, a secret form the public. I'd hypothesis they did this to stay in the good graces of the GOP Congress, more than anything else.

But the administration kept Comey on for several months, kissing and hugging him in public the whole time, wining and dinning him when they discovered they were about to go under investigation -- they did the same thing with McCabe. It was only when they realized that both would be neutral in their investigations of Trump campaign members, that suddenly they had an issue with their ethics in 2016 -- which they cheered on when it was happening. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they were let-go for not being loyalists, bot because of what their ethics during the election.

Well, I disagree with you on Page and Papadopolous. As it is the ONLY things either of them did that was determined to be illegal were in the process of the investigation itself and both happened in 2017. The Manafort charges will have their day in court, but there is something rather odd with the way the plea deal for Gates was handled that makes me think that the more serious charges against Manafort are not well supported by evidence. If Mueller were following DOJ protocol the least of the charges that he should allow Gates to plea to would be the charge best supported by the evidence that carries the highest potential penalty.... so letting him plea to a charge with a minimum penalty of 0 years seems to indicate that the more serious charges don't hold water.

In fact, if the case falls apart I am sure the usual suspects will latch on to that bizarre choice by Mueller as evidence that he was in the tank for Trump all along.

 

[Mach]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Countless people are fired every day in a manner which is respectful and proper and reasonable. That Trump can't seem to do it without being an assclown and doing it underhanded via Twitter, etc., is a nightmare I agree. What a leader he is, just look at all the deplorable behaviors he has tried to normalize.

It's funny that some think this is about McCabe's workplace misconduct that got him fired. That's really irrelevant to Trump's behavior.

 

[PLizzy]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

LOL!! Are you of the opinion that the Trump investigation wasn't common knowledge? What news were you watching from 2015 through the present? No leaks there!! :roll:

There was no public knowledge of Manafort, Page, or Papadopoulos being investigated by the FBI during the election. That was kept a complete secret, while everything about the Clinton investigations were being disclosed.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Countless people are fired every day in a manner which is respectful and proper and reasonable. That Trump can't seem to do it without being an assclown and doing it underhanded via Twitter, etc., is a nightmare I agree. What a leader he is, just look at all the deplorable behaviors he has tried to normalize.

It's funny that some think this is about McCabe's workplace misconduct that got him fired. That's really irrelevant to Trump's behavior.

In my entire life, I've never heard of a person being fired by their boss in anything but a face to face setting, or at the very least, a phone call with HR on the line.

Trump fires people by Twitter after sending the red meat to his fan base so they can chant and toss their underpants at his feet.

Trump gives every executive or manager a bad name. The assistant manager at your local McDonalds wouldn't terminate employees the way this crass boor does.

I wish the McCabe page was still open. I'd like to make another donation to it.

 

[PLizzy]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Well, I disagree with you on Page and Papadopolous. As it is the ONLY things either of them did that was determined to be illegal were in the process of the investigation itself and both happened in 2017. The Manafort charges will have their day in court, but there is something rather odd with the way the plea deal for Gates was handled that makes me think that the more serious charges against Manafort are not well supported by evidence. If Mueller were following DOJ protocol the least of the charges that he should allow Gates to plea to would be the charge best supported by the evidence that carries the highest potential penalty.... so letting him plea to a charge with a minimum penalty of 0 years seems to indicate that the more serious charges don't hold water.

In fact, if the case falls apart I am sure the usual suspects will latch on to that bizarre choice by Mueller as evidence that he was in the tank for Trump all along.

You know what they say: it's not the crime, it the cover-up. Page, Papadopolous, Flynn, Kushner, Prince and Sessions have all exercised extremely poor judgement, both by allowing themselves to be so easily played by Russian operatives, and then lying about it to the DOJ, FBI, and Congress, when they had a chance to come clean. Had they come clean about these embarrassing details, they'd still be the subject of criticism, but they wouldn't be under threat of prosecution for misleading/false testimony. Two of them have been indicted for their choice to lie to investigators, we'll see if anybody else is too.

As for Manafort, the evidence is pretty overwhelming. The Gates plea deal was probably to help put the nail in Manaforts coffin, as well get information about Kremlin activities in the US; both related to the campaign and not. The hope by Mueller was that Gates would help him squeeze Manafort for information regarding that Trump Tower meeting, but so far there's no evidence that anything harmful to the WH has been revealed -- which keeps him eligible for a pardon.

 

[Mach]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

If Mueller were following DOJ protocol the least of the charges that he should allow Gates to plea to would be the charge best supported by the evidence that carries the highest potential penalty.... so letting him plea to a charge with a minimum penalty of 0 years seems to indicate that the more serious charges don't hold water..

DOJ protocol? Maybe you're not aware.

Weissmann is who lead the charge against Manafort...one of the prosecutors who turned Sammy the Bull, having confessed to 19 murders, forsook his blood oath and turned on Gotti, getting a mere 5 years in prison for his cooperation in bringing down the crime boss. You think they won't work with Gates on a juicy plea deal knowing that Manafort is far less likely to break, and Trump would never even consider it? Keep dreaming.

When that moment came this week, representatives for Mr. Manafort and his longtime associate Rick Gates were given little warning: Prosecutors bypassed the common Justice Department practice of inviting lawyers to meet and discuss potential indictments beforehand, often an opportunity for the defense to argue for leniency and for prosecutors to identify potential holes in their case. As of Friday, people close to both men said they had received no indication that an indictment was imminent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/politics/andrew-weissmann-mueller.html

They are playing for keeps. Which is great, since the right continues to say "no collusion", they will be vindicated by the best in the business. That's good, right?

 

[Kreton]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Broken? A nightmare? Exactly what makes you say this?

Because Trump said so.

Also the FBI hasn't gunned down enough unarmed minorities lately. It is upsetting them.

 

[Mach]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

In my entire life, I've never heard of a person being fired by their boss in anything but a face to face setting, or at the very least, a phone call with HR on the line.
Trump fires people by Twitter after sending the red meat to his fan base so they can chant and toss their underpants at his feet.
Trump gives every executive or manager a bad name. The assistant manager at your local McDonalds wouldn't terminate employees the way this crass boor does.
I wish the McCabe page was still open. I'd like to make another donation to it.

It's really sad. I'll tell you personally I watched the first season of apprentice, and in an interview Trump back then laughed about the whole "you're fired" thing, and said that in reality it's nothing like that. He basically said in reality he didn't do anything like that, (good luck and not working out)great things, and let's HR handle it with kid gloves, etc. I honestly thought he was telling the truth...I thought the showmanship drove marketing for his brand, but ultimately that he ran a business professionally. Boy was I wrong...

 

[roughdraft274]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I dont have time to write a book just now, a friend will be over shortly.

Yea, i didnt really expect much fight out of you. Next time a simple "im not here to debate. Just wanna act big and talk about rebellions" will suffice.

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[jmotivator]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I doubt I paid his salary. i don't pay enough in taxes for that.

You earn money from me by being fired 24 hours before receiving the retirement package you earned in all the years you gave up your personal life and safety to serve the country.

To give you an idea of where I am coming from, I grew up in an FBI family. My father was career special agent, spent some time in the 70s stationed as the body guard for the Attorney General, and finished his career as teaching bank robbery investigation at the academy in Quantico. During his time there he gave a speech called "Woe to those who tarnish the badge" that became a standard video shown to agents after he retired warning against precisely the kind of corruption on display in Andrew McCabe's final years in the job. My dad spins in his grave over agents like Andrew McCabe, he detested political agents and McCabe was, to the core, a political agent. I wouldn't like him even if he had not been in the tank for a politician he was tasked with investigating.

Like most corrupt politicians, and criminal in general, it is unlikely that he was caught the first time he broke the rules. The chances are good that he was just plain corrupt and a political animal in a job that required the opposite.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Yea, i didnt really expect much fight out of you. Next time a simple "im not here to debate. Just wanna act big and talk about rebellions" will suffice.

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I tend to only argue with those who might possibly be bright enough and skilled enough to teach me something.

I dont have that many years left, there is no time to waste on substandard people and substandard arguments anymore, not for me.

Sorry: I dont want to be rude but when people are rude to me I tend to return fire, because I spent way too many years being a victim, I simply just dont do that anymore, I refuse.


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[roughdraft274]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I tend to only argue with those who might possibly be bright enough and skilled enough to teach me something.

I dont have that many years left, there is no time to waste on substandard people and substandard arguments anymore, not for me.

Sorry: I dont want to be rude but when people are rude to me I tend to return fire, because I spent way too many years being a victim, I simply just dont do that anymore, I refuse.

I asked a simple question. A very simple one. You are unable to answer. The rest is you trying to tip toe around the fact that you like to make grand and bold claims without ever providing any kind of logic behind them. No amount of this martyrdom of yours will change that.

Feel free to answer the original question if you feel up to it.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

To give you an idea of where I am coming from, I grew up in an FBI family. My father was career special agent, spent some time in the 70s stationed as the body guard for the Attorney General, and finished his career as teaching bank robbery investigation at the academy in Quantico. During his time there he gave a speech called "Woe to those who tarnish the badge" that became a standard video shown to agents after he retired warning against precisely the kind of corruption on display in Andrew McCabe's final years in the job. My dad spins in his grave over agents like Andrew McCabe, he detested political agents and McCabe was, to the core, a political agent. I wouldn't like him even if he had not been in the tank for a politician he was tasked with investigating.

Like most corrupt politicians, and criminal in general, it is unlikely that he was caught the first time he broke the rules. The chances are good that he was just plain corrupt and a political animal in a job that required the opposite.

Thank your father for his service. I admire people who decide to work for the FBI. I have a cousin who was an agent for 28 years and I witnessed the strain on both him and his family.

I don't see McCabe as a political agent, sorry. Because Trump said he was isn't proof of any such thing.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I asked a simple question. A very simple one. You are unable to answer. The rest is you trying to tip toe around the fact that you like to make grand and bold claims without ever providing any kind of logic behind them. No amount of this martyrdom of yours will change that.

Feel free to answer the original question if you feel up to it.

I told you that I was too busy to comply with your request, then you decided to behave poorly making me uninterested in putting in the work.

Apply enough honey and I could possibly change my mind.

You can start with an apology.

 

[roughdraft274]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I told you that I was too busy to comply with your request

Yea, I'm aware that you used that excuse. Tell me something I don't know.

 

[Praxas]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I told you that I was too busy to comply with your request, then you decided to behave poorly making me uninterested in putting in the work.

Apply enough honey and I could possibly change my mind.

You can start with an apology.

you must be busy with that "Eastern Training" you got :lamo

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

Thank your father for his service. I admire people who decide to work for the FBI. I have a cousin who was an agent for 28 years and I witnessed the strain on both him and his family.

I don't see McCabe as a political agent, sorry. Because Trump said he was isn't proof of any such thing.

He's a political agent because he used FBI resources to campaign for his wife and accepted obscene amounts of money for her campaign from a political person with strong and clear ties to a suspect in a criminal investigation that he was heading, and then LIED about that connection to the Inspector General on FOUR occasions. His actions with the IG show clear knowledge of the impropriety of his actions, and a professional, non-corrupt agent would have recused himself from the investigation from the beginning, or turned down the hundreds of thousands of dollars from a political ally of the target of your investigation or, most honorably, done both.

Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity... three things McCabe has proven he lacks.

 

[Athanasius68]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I'm no fan of McCabe or Comey. My opinion of their handling of the FBI investigation in 2016 of both Clinton and Trump is a pretty negative one. They were both caught up in the lime light, constantly talking to the media about Clinton, while keeping the investigations into Manafort, Page, and Papa that were close to become criminal in nature, a secret form the public. I'd hypothesize they did this to stay in the good graces of the GOP Congress, more than anything else. For that, I hold them in personal contempt for letting politics guide their public disclosures.

But the administration kept Comey on for several months, kissing and hugging him in public the whole time, wining and dining him when they discovered they were about to go under investigation -- they did the same thing with McCabe. It was only when they realized that both would be neutral in their investigations of Trump campaign members, that suddenly they had an issue with their ethics in 2016 -- which they cheered on when it was happening. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see they were let-go for not being loyalists, but because of what their ethics during the election, and they are using this as a cover story to discredit them.

The objection was whether they were being neutral in their investigation of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump. One of the gripes by the president is that the FBI was quite willing to publically state Mrs. Clinton was absolved of crimes, but refused to state that he was not being investigated.

And why would executive department employees wish to be in good graces with the legislature? It seems more plausable they would wish to be in good graces with the next head of the executive department- who until Nov 2016 was accepted to be Mrs. Clinton.

How much of all this politicking would have come to light had Mrs. Clinton won? None, of course.
Hence Mr. Trump gripes and quite frankly legitimate concerns.

 

[MrMike]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for the McCabe's. Apparently according to the IG, he got caught playing a bad game and deserves what comes his way.

 

[Athanasius68]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

You know what they say: it's not the crime, it the cover-up. Page, Papadopolous, Flynn, Kushner, Prince and Sessions have all exercised extremely poor judgement, both by allowing themselves to be so easily played by Russian operatives, .

Which also needs to be considered when thinking about decisions made by the Obama Admin when they used the Russian supplied sources in the dossier to obtain warrants on an American citizen.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

To give you an idea of where I am coming from, I grew up in an FBI family. My father was career special agent, spent some time in the 70s stationed as the body guard for the Attorney General, and finished his career as teaching bank robbery investigation at the academy in Quantico. During his time there he gave a speech called "Woe to those who tarnish the badge" that became a standard video shown to agents after he retired warning against precisely the kind of corruption on display in Andrew McCabe's final years in the job. My dad spins in his grave over agents like Andrew McCabe, he detested political agents and McCabe was, to the core, a political agent. I wouldn't like him even if he had not been in the tank for a politician he was tasked with investigating.

Like most corrupt politicians, and criminal in general, it is unlikely that he was caught the first time he broke the rules. The chances are good that he was just plain corrupt and a political animal in a job that required the opposite.

You can keep claiming that McCabe was a "political agent" but that won't make it any less false.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

He's a political agent because he used FBI resources to campaign for his wife

Again, you have zero proof of this. How did he campaign for her? What did he do? Because we know he recused himself from anything involving Virginia politics while at the FBI, and we know that he didn't attend any political events or campaign on her behalf.

and accepted obscene amounts of money for her campaign

We've already been over this and you weren't able to respond.

1. Andrew McCabe didn't accept any money. Money was donated to Jill's campaign.
2. $450,000 isn't an "obscene amount of money".

from a political person with strong and clear ties to a suspect in a criminal investigation that he was heading

1. His wife's campaign accepted money from Terry McAuliffe's PAC. It makes perfect sense that he would donate that money to her campaign.
2. There is absolutely no way that you can tie McAuliffe's donation to Hillary Clinton other than that he knows the Clintons.
3. McCabe wasn't heading the Clinton investigation at the time. He didn't get that responsibility until he was promoted to Deputy three months after his wife's campaign ended.

and then LIED about that connection to the Inspector General on FOUR occasions.

What were the lies, now? Do you have the report?

You're just regurgitating rightwing talking points that are lies. Here are the lies that you are regurgitating:
Lie #1: Terry McAuliffe funneled money from Clinton to Jill McCabe. There is no proof of this whatsoever.
Lie #2: Andrew McCabe campaigned for his wife. There is no proof of this whatsoever. There is proof of the opposite being true.
Lie #3: Andrew McCabe was in charge of the Clinton investigation during Jill's campaign. This is obviously and blatantly not true.
Lie #4: The donation from McAuliffe's PAC was inordinately large. Not true. The PAC donated $700,000 to a separate campaign. $450,000 isn't crazy.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Jill McCabe, wife of fired FBI official, breaks silence: Trump attacks on family were 'nightmare

The objection was whether they were being neutral in their investigation of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump. One of the gripes by the president is that the FBI was quite willing to publically state Mrs. Clinton was absolved of crimes, but refused to state that he was not being investigated.

And why would executive department employees wish to be in good graces with the legislature? It seems more plausable they would wish to be in good graces with the next head of the executive department- who until Nov 2016 was accepted to be Mrs. Clinton.

How much of all this politicking would have come to light had Mrs. Clinton won? None, of course.
Hence Mr. Trump gripes and quite frankly legitimate concerns.

Yeah, in an unbiased and clear headed FBI the decision by the FBI would have been that, given the evidence they have of law breaking, that the DOJ should appoint a special prosecutor to continue the investigation into Hillary Clinton, give the clear bias that existed within the DOJ in favor of Hillary Clinton. It never has been and never should be the FBI's job to make the decision to prosecute or not prosecute, but the DOJ willingly, and for wholly political reasons, dumped that job on the FBI who then willingly made the determination to not prosecute even while having to admit that the evidence pointed to a clear violation of the law.

Comey proved to be a coward, at minimum and McCabe proved to be unscrupulous at the very least, and neither worthy of the position they were given.