Jeff Flake Knocks Republicans For Not Standing Up To Birthers

[JamesBY]

And I'll never forgive Judge Kennesaw Landis for breaking up the 'Black Sox' to make way for the 1920s Yanks.

Did you see that Heller picked up a primary opponent, Tarkanian? Both NV and AZ will have rhetorically bloody GOP primaries .

Not a bad thing.

Hatch will be challenged in Utah both in primary and general elections, if he survives literally and politically. The Utah special this November will be bloody.

 

[Linc]

Not a bad thing.

Hatch will be challenged in Utah both in primary and general elections, if he survives literally and politically. The Utah special this November will be bloody.

It looks like the Utah-3 GOP primary in 7 days is also getting nasty.

Along with the Alabama GOP primary to replace Sessions on 8/15. AL will likely go to a top two runoff in September ahead of the general in December .

 

[Common Sense 1]

Her name is Kelli Ward, and she's already disbursed $353,000 compared to Flake's $497,000. trump has already alluded to spending 10 million against Flake, in which McConnell generally opposes going after GOP incumbents.

My favorite site for data and election mining, no blogging, is The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017 ; takes a while to learn the steps to each state; do the drop down to see elections up to 2020 and down to 2000. Pretty overwhelming site .

Thanks for the info.

Kelli Ward, ran against McCain last election.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

GOPs rarely have low voter turnouts in any primary or general election, especially a proxy primary on trump.

You missed it, the point is that the GOP will have relatively lower turnout in '18 if the Cheeto continues on as he has.

It was Carmona's seat to lose and he blew it. Flake smeared him pretty good on his 'women' confrontational problems, whether true or not. (Dr. Beato)

Really! The seat was Jon Kyl's (GOP)..and AZ is majority GOP, so how this was "Carmona's to lose" is not shown.

Flake will win the general if he wins the primary

That's a big "if", the AZ GOP has become more RW and Flake is making all sorts of anti-Cheeto noises (while voting 93% with Cheeto)..and Ward is a Cheeto sycophant. And as I pointed out, the whole McCain situation could blow up any predictions.

with poor voter turnout a DEM staple in AZ.

Actually, Hispanic turnout probably increased at a greater rate than any other demographic in 2016, due to the Cheeto effect, SB1070, etc.

And, it appears Rep. Sinema is holding up the show on who will oppose Flake .

She is waiting to see how the primary is shaping up...and the McCain situation will play out....but that isn't really stopping Friese.

 

[Linc]

You missed it, the point is that the GOP will have relatively lower turnout in '18 if the Cheeto continues on as he has.
Really! The seat was Jon Kyl's (GOP)..and AZ is majority GOP, so how this was "Carmona's to lose" is not shown.
That's a big "if", the AZ GOP has become more RW and Flake is making all sorts of anti-Cheeto noises (while voting 93% with Cheeto)..and Ward is a Cheeto sycophant. And as I pointed out, the whole McCain situation could blow up any predictions.Actually, Hispanic turnout probably increased at a greater rate than any other demographic in 2016, due to the Cheeto effect, SB1070, etc.She is waiting to see how the primary is shaping up...and the McCain situation will play out....but that isn't really stopping Friese.

I'll go to the daily KOS and link it. I don't know a shortcut around typing it all in from my iPhone. See you in a few .

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I'll go to the daily KOS and link it. I don't know a shortcut around typing it all in from my iPhone. See you in a few .

I guess ifones limit one from being specific about whut point they are countering.

 

[Top Cat]

You two Washington dudes should 'Come Together, Right Now; Over Me';

Seriously though, there is a huge special state election coming up in your state; said to be the most expensive state legislative race in USA history ;

Neither of us is in that district. As to coming together, not in my lifetime. I don't hang with his ilk.

 

[AlbqOwl]

For the most part, nobody paid much attention to the 'birther' issue-- after Obama produced his full certificate.
But even then, it had already waned when the birth announcement was produced in the Hawaian newspapers.

This is true. The birthers were always a small minority anyway, and were no sillier and no worse that those who insisted that President Bush didn't fulfill his military obligation or that the government blew up the World Trade Center, or President Trump conspired with the Russians to fix a U.S. election, yadda yadda. There will always be conspiracy theorists among us and such are not tied to any particular ideology or political party. The politics of personal destruction runs hot and swift in America regardless of who hold political power at any given time and conspiracies are as good a reason to push that as any.

President Trump was never a birther in the fanatical conspiracy sense. I think he was intrigued, as I and many others were, as to why President Obama was so reluctant to release a birth certificate or his college admission papers etc. and why these were being so diligently protected and secretive. His eligibility to be President was far less an issue than curiosity about what he had to hide. And then citizen Donald Trump was not only up for a good challenge, but had the wherewithal to seriously pursue it. It was fun, a game, for him as it would have been for me had I the money and resources to really go after something like that.

But the Trump haters will never ever be able to see it that way. They are too committed to their determination to expose him as the despicable person they want everybody to recognize.

 

[Linc]

You missed it, the point is that the GOP will have relatively lower turnout in '18 if the Cheeto continues on as he has.



Really! The seat was Jon Kyl's (GOP)..and AZ is majority GOP, so how this was "Carmona's to lose" is not shown.



That's a big "if", the AZ GOP has become more RW and Flake is making all sorts of anti-Cheeto noises (while voting 93% with Cheeto)..and Ward is a Cheeto sycophant. And as I pointed out, the whole McCain situation could blow up any predictions.Actually, Hispanic turnout probably increased at a greater rate than any other demographic in 2016, due to the Cheeto effect, SB1070, etc.She is waiting to see how the primary is shaping up...and the McCain situation will play out....but that isn't really stopping Friese.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2013...ults-by-congressional-and-legislatuve-results ;

Note the 2016 map at the top showing Clinton/GOP rep CDs, Clinton/DEM CDs, trump/GOP CDs, trump/DEM CDs;

Drop past the first results, they no longer work for me; keep dropping to the states and for you, click on 2016/Arizona/CD (as well as LD Coterminous)

I cross-reference with The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017 ; to know what I'm talking about; drop down to 2018 election for this link; as well as 2016 for past elections;

Now, if this isn't good enough to start a polite response from you; I give up with you ;

 

[Vern]

I could be wrong. I know that, amongst my Republican friends, none of us ever saw anything to the birther thing. I will add that, based on the final results of the 16' election, my faith in polls, such as the ones you cited, is sketchy at best.

I see you have wisely departed the thread. too bad, you would have seen this post confirming the "forgery" narrative that you and your friends didn't see. MC even "saw" an investigation. See how you and yours just create narratives out of thin air.

From the investigation, it WAS obvious the birth certificate was a fake.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2013...ults-by-congressional-and-legislatuve-results ;

Note the 2016 map at the top showing Clinton/GOP rep CDs, Clinton/DEM CDs, trump/GOP CDs, trump/DEM CDs;

Drop past the first results, they no longer work for me; keep dropping to the dates and for you, click on 2016/Arizona/CD (as well as LD Coterminous)

I cross-reference with The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017 ; to know what I'm talking about; drop down to 2018 election for this link; as well as 2016 for past elections;

Now, if this isn't good enough to start a polite response from you; I give up with you ;

Again, apparently, ifones completely obstruct the owner from stating whut point they are countering. Is it a bug or a feature?

 

[Linc]

Again, apparently, ifones completely obstruct the owner from stating whut point they are countering. Is it a bug or a feature?

Didn't open the links did you ?!

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Didn't open the links did you ?!

Are you going to state whut point you are attempting to counter, or are you going to keep firing the scatter shot?

 

[Linc]

Are you going to state whut point you are attempting to counter, or are you going to keep firing the scatter shot?

Are you going to keep denying that minority voter turnout has prevented TX and your AZ from going red to blue ?

 

[Linc]

Again, apparently, ifones completely obstruct the owner from stating whut point they are countering. Is it a bug or a feature?

It doesn't matter what points eye would state for you. Been there done that with our exchanges in this thread.

You're dug in and won't get off your own goal line and come to the 50-yard line .

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Are you going to keep denying that minority voter turnout has prevented TX and your AZ from going red to blue ?

The burden of proof...is upon you. You are making the claim, you are not proving it with yer links....because the links are not showing VEP, are not showing Census/Race data. Nor are you showing how a "minority" vote can overcome White majority in historic trends. Yer still dealing in theory, not reality. Monkeys could conceivably fly from your butt, but that does not mean it is likely. You have a lot of math ahead of you, I wish you good luck.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

It doesn't matter what points eye would state for you. Been there done that with our exchanges in this thread.

You're dug in and won't get off your own goal line and come to the 50-yard line .

Oh, I C, when you quote me, it doesn't mean your argument is a counter to something I said, it is really just a chance for you to link to data sets unrelated to whut I said.

Kewl.

 

[Linc]

The burden of proof...is upon you. You are making the claim, you are not proving it with yer links....because the links are not showing VEP, are not showing Census/Race data. Nor are you showing how a "minority" vote can overcome White majority in historic trends. Yer still dealing in theory, not reality. Monkeys could conceivably fly from your butt, but that does not mean it is likely. You have a lot of math ahead of you, I wish you good luck.

I'm really good at Math, as you've already seen. One has to be to be a lifelong great Chemistry/Physics teacher. Try the links that you asked for .

 

[Linc]

Oh, I C, when you quote me, it doesn't mean your argument is a counter to something I said, it is really just a chance for you to link to data sets unrelated to whut I said. Kewl.

Another argumentative post with no thread content orvcontent related to my posts or links.

Try looking at those CDs and LDs in the links I provided in AZ alone. You won't because the data proves my points, which you don't want to admit.

Btw, I'm there with all 59 states, not just yer AZ .

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I'm really good at Math, as you've already seen. One has to be to be a lifelong great Chemistry/Physics teacher. Try the links that you asked for .

Again, yer not countering anything I said...and yer not supporting yer own argument....so stop quoting me if you have nothing to counter. You don't know AZ, and you can't support yer points.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Another argumentative post with no thread content orvcontent related to my posts or links.

Oh, the irony...you tossed out yer non-sequitur links...again.

Try looking at those CDs and LDs in the links I provided in AZ alone. You won't because the data proves my points, which you don't want to admit.

Btw, I'm there with all 59 states, not just yer AZ .

The Kos data has no data on race/ethnicity, it does not supports yer "point" at all.

Yer not doing any math, you have not made an argument.

 

[Linc]

Again, yer not countering anything I said...and yer not supporting yer own argument....so stop quoting me if you have nothing to counter. You don't know AZ, and you can't support yer points.

You've apparently forgotten you quoted me first in a very argumentative way. Now you want me to stop quoting you. Keep on moving the goalposts. Nothing I say will be accepted by you because I don't live in AZ as you do ...

 

[Linc]

Oh, the irony...you tossed out yer non-sequitur links...again.
The Kos data has no data on race/ethnicity, it does not supports yer "point" at all.
Yer not doing any math, you have not made an argument.

I gave you links that proved my previous statements. My conscience is clear. Now go for the first and last word .

 

[BadK9]

I see you have wisely departed the thread.

Unlike you, perhaps, I DO have a life. However, you can send me a pm to make payment arrangements so that I can tutor you. You are in obvious need of an education.

 

[BadK9]

I wonder if Flake will admonish Democrats for not defending Trump from the "Russian collusion" fairy tale. Flake is a flake and his political days are numbered.