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Italian council is flooded immediately after rejecting measures on climate change

dixon01767 said:
You don't understand. Take all of the above to be true, add more CO2 and the crops do better than they do without the addition. Natural vegetation is seeing the same increase.
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Wrong, Climate change is already affecting agriculture, with effects unevenly distributed across the world. Global warming is leading to an increase in pest insect populations, harming yields of staple crops like wheat, soybeans, and corn. While warmer temperatures create longer growing seasons, and faster growth rates for plants, it also increases the metabolic rate and number of breeding cycles of insect populations. As for vegetation.. Vegetation: Its Role in Weather and Climate | North Carolina Climate Office
 
HenryChinaski said:
Wrong, Climate change is already affecting agriculture, with effects unevenly distributed across the world. Global warming is leading to an increase in pest insect populations, harming yields of staple crops like wheat, soybeans, and corn. While warmer temperatures create longer growing seasons, and faster growth rates for plants, it also increases the metabolic rate and number of breeding cycles of insect populations. As for vegetation.. Vegetation: Its Role in Weather and Climate | North Carolina Climate Office
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Not even a word from your link contradicts a thing Ive said soooooo not sure of the basis of your declaration of "Wrong"
 
ocean515 said:
Civilization died because of Ice Ages?

Then their must be a divine God!
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Civilization hadn't started yet when the last proper ice age rolled through. I don't mean that crappy half-baked one in 1633, either. A proper one.
 
ocean515 said:
Evidence of crop cultivation precedes the last Ice Age.
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You can present evidence of crop cultivation prior to 10,000 BC? I am officially interested.
 
Because as far as I can tell, crop cultivation began sometime just after 8000 BC.
 
Ohalo - Wikipedia

Okay, 90,000 seeds of more than 100 different plants in one hut definitely counts as agriculture.

Argument retracted.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Ohalo - Wikipedia

Okay, 90,000 seeds of more than 100 different plants in one hut definitely counts as agriculture.

Argument retracted.
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It was posited as trial agriculture, and it was certainly not widespread, and I really don’t think it would be called ‘civilization’.

In my mind, civilization is defined as the first permanent communities- I.e. towns.

The first was likely Göbekli Tepe in Turkey- about 11k years ago.
 
Threegoofs said:
It was posited as trial agriculture, and it was certainly not widespread, and I really don’t think it would be called ‘civilization’.

In my mind, civilization is defined as the first permanent communities- I.e. towns.

The first was likely Göbekli Tepe in Turkey- about 11k years ago.
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My definition is "when you start to control your environment, rather than when your are entirely controlled by your environment." So I use agriculture as the definition of the beginning of civilization.
 
Hamish Howl said:
My definition is "when you start to control your environment, rather than when your are entirely controlled by your environment." So I use agriculture as the definition of the beginning of civilization.
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But agriculture most likely started as a part time endeavor.

Hunter gatherer groups threw seeds in the ground and went off to do their thing, then came back in the fall and harvested whatever was around.

That probably predates sedentary agriculture with towns by thousands of years.

I would think that the act of living in a settled town is the actual beginning of civilization.
 
Threegoofs said:
But agriculture most likely started as a part time endeavor.

Hunter gatherer groups threw seeds in the ground and went off to do their thing, then came back in the fall and harvested whatever was around.

That probably predates sedentary agriculture with towns by thousands of years.

I would think that the act of living in a settled town is the actual beginning of civilization.
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Well, yeah, but the new guy isn't going to be a boss on his first day.

And I am unsure if I'd call Göbekli Tepe a city. More like a part time religious center. For the same reason. Also, it's only 5% excavated so all we really know is that it's a megalith and has some surprisingly sophisticated carvings.
 
And if the builders didn't have agriculture, they would have *had* to do it part time, for however many centuries it took. They wouldn't have the food base to settle there full time.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Well, yeah, but the new guy isn't going to be a boss on his first day.

And I am unsure if I'd call Göbekli Tepe a city. More like a part time religious center. For the same reason. Also, it's only 5% excavated so all we really know is that it's a megalith and has some surprisingly sophisticated carvings.
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True- so the first city is actually later.
 
Whether they are modern cities with high rise skyscrapers or two sod huts at the fork of a game trail, a quarter mile thickness of ice scrapes any human gathering place from the face of the earth.
 
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