Is Trump the Greatest President Ever? A Number of Respected People Think So

[Jay59]

The only thing on that list that might change is if the Repugs come up with a plan (legislation to follow). Trump will take credit.

I'm sorry to hear that. The next election will be very disappointing for you.

When you have to change my post to say the opposite of what it said - you already lost the minute you hit reply.

Not the opposite, just something sensible. Trump isn't the worst of the last two.

 

[danielpalos]

The sad reality is that this President is better than none who came before him.

the left is for "rehabilitating rich persons".

Left wing policies in modern times could make a difference now rather than later for the citizenry of our Republic and militia of the United States.

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about economics.

We can argue that as long as you want, right wingers.

 

[snakestretcher]

Fixed that for you. I voted for Obama and was sorely disappointed. I am still debating if McCain would ahve been worse.

No contest this time through. Trump is vastly better than what Clinton would have been.

"Better" in what way? I have never, in decades of watching US politics, seen a more glutinous miasma of fraud, theft, lies and graft as your 'president' demonstrates. Nixon's and Clinton's misadventures pale into insignificance by comparison.

 

[Jay59]

"Better" in what way? I have never, in decades of watching US politics, seen a more glutinous miasma of fraud, theft, lies and graft as your 'president' demonstrates. Nixon's and Clinton's misadventures pale into insignificance by comparison.

Look at the results. All you are seeing is the superficial. Look at the results.

 

[haymarket]

I'm sorry to hear that. The next election will be very disappointing for you.


Not the opposite, just something sensible. Trump isn't the worst of the last two.

You already lost.

 

[Jay59]

You already lost.

More than once, but not yet this time. Check back after time expires in 51 weeks.

 

[haymarket]

More than once, but not yet this time. Check back after time expires in 51 weeks.

No need to wait almost a year as I am talking about you and your dishonest tactics.

 

[snakestretcher]

Look at the results. All you are seeing is the superficial. Look at the results.

What "results"? A temporary upturn in your economy, inherited from Obama? Big deal.

 

[snakestretcher]

I'm sorry to hear that. The next election will be very disappointing for you.


Not the opposite, just something sensible. Trump isn't the worst of the last two.

Did either of the last two indulge in fraud and theft? When was the last time a sitting president was convicted of misappropriating funds from a children's cancer charity to use for campaign funds and buying portraits of himself? When was the last time a sitting 'president' (and I use that term loosely), got fined over $3 million for admitting to "a shocking pattern of illegality"? Were either of the last two facing impeachment proceedings?
How much worse should it get before you stop defending the opportunistic and venal crook you elected to 'lead' you, or do you find his behaviour perfectly acceptable?

 

[Jay59]

What "results"? A temporary upturn in your economy, inherited from Obama? Big deal.

Three years later, it's still inherited? Right. Did Obama have the rising interest rates too?

The economy is a big one, see also exports.
Employment, particularly minority employment.
Improved border security.
Reworked trade deals with dozens of countries, see again increased exports.
The less interventionist, more trade oriented foreign policy is well received.
Net Energy exporter.
Much needed regulatory purge. There were still Y2K regulations in force, for example.
Tax reform, see yet again increased exports.
Ending the individual mandate in ACA.
There are other things that only conservatives like, such as restocking the federal bench, the Dakota and Keystone pipelines.

By any reasonable standard, Trump is a good President.

 

[Jay59]

Did either of the last two indulge in fraud and theft? When was the last time a sitting president was convicted of misappropriating funds from a children's cancer charity to use for campaign funds and buying portraits of himself? When was the last time a sitting 'president' (and I use that term loosely), got fined over $3 million for admitting to "a shocking pattern of illegality"? Were either of the last two facing impeachment proceedings?
How much worse should it get before you stop defending the opportunistic and venal crook you elected to 'lead' you, or do you find his behaviour perfectly acceptable?

When impeachment is not a CT meme. It's a very big one, I will admit, but still a CT.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Did either of the last two indulge in fraud and theft? When was the last time a sitting president was convicted of misappropriating funds from a children's cancer charity to use for campaign funds and buying portraits of himself? When was the last time a sitting 'president' (and I use that term loosely), got fined over $3 million for admitting to "a shocking pattern of illegality"? Were either of the last two facing impeachment proceedings?
How much worse should it get before you stop defending the opportunistic and venal crook you elected to 'lead' you, or do you find his behaviour perfectly acceptable?

You left out a few, like being sued for fraud and paying out $25 million, but that's a pretty good summary. Do Trump supporters find his behavior perfectly acceptable? Yes, of course they do. Trumpers posting on this forum show it. The newsies on Fox and Breitbart show it. Trump said he could go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone without losing support, and his minions prove him correct on a daily basis.

 

[danielpalos]

Congress has the Power to fix the terms and conditions for any rehabilitation deemed necessary and proper and customary and usual for an impeached chief magistrate of the Union.

 

[less right]

Congress has the Power to fix the terms and conditions for any rehabilitation deemed necessary and proper and customary and usual for an impeached chief magistrate of the Union.

In an impeachment I think all Congress can do is remove a President from office and disqualify him from holding elective office.

 

[danielpalos]

In an impeachment I think all Congress can do is remove a President from office and disqualify him from holding elective office.

Those disqualifications can be fixed to expire after a sufficient amount of time.

 

[less right]

Those disqualifications can be fixed to expire after a sufficient amount of time.

Sure. But the point is the impeachment process only allows two remedies -- removal; disqualification from elected office.

 

[danielpalos]

Sure. But the point is the impeachment process only allows two remedies -- removal; disqualification from elected office.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Seems like there is plenty of political room to maneuver if we want to achieve our political goals for the general welfare.

 

[less right]

Seems like there is plenty of political room to maneuver if we want to achieve our political goals for the general welfare.

The additional remedies are not part of the impeachment. They would be legal charges filed after an impeachment.

I don't understand the connection to the general welfare.

 

[danielpalos]

The additional remedies are not part of the impeachment. They would be legal charges filed after an impeachment.

I don't understand the connection to the general welfare.

Your understanding is limited not general. We have a general welfare clause.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

There is plenty of room for political negotiation for the general welfare.

 

[less right]

Your understanding is limited not general. We have a general welfare clause.

There is plenty of room for political negotiation for the general welfare.

I know there's a general welfare cause. Please give an example of the general welfare being served beyond removal of corrupt official.

 

[danielpalos]

I know there's a general welfare cause. Please give an example of the general welfare being served beyond removal of corrupt official.

Removal from Office ends that protection.

but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

any mitigating circumstances may help in reality.

 

[less right]

Removal from Office ends that protection.



any mitigating circumstances may help in reality.

I'm sorry. I can't make sense of your posts.

Let me leave you with my original (and I'd hoped simple) point... Impeachment only offers two remedies. Removal from office and disqualification from future public office.

 

[danielpalos]

I'm sorry. I can't make sense of your posts.

Let me leave you with my original (and I'd hoped simple) point... Impeachment only offers two remedies. Removal from office and disqualification from future public office.

you are making a mistake in law. our supreme law of the land is supreme, in Any conflict of laws or fantastical right wing Implications.

but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

There is sufficient latitude of construction of for any legal axiom to apply, if it gets that far. There is room for politics to promote the general welfare, in my opinion.

 

[less right]

you are making a mistake in law. our supreme law of the land is supreme, in Any conflict of laws or fantastical right wing Implications.

There is sufficient latitude of construction of for any legal axiom to apply, if it gets that far. There is room for politics to promote the general welfare, in my opinion.

Thanks for the clarification???

Gotta go. My wife's going to get pregnant and I need to be there.

 

[snakestretcher]

Three years later, it's still inherited? Right. Did Obama have the rising interest rates too?

The economy is a big one, see also exports.
Employment, particularly minority employment.
Improved border security.
Reworked trade deals with dozens of countries, see again increased exports.
The less interventionist, more trade oriented foreign policy is well received.
Net Energy exporter.
Much needed regulatory purge. There were still Y2K regulations in force, for example.
Tax reform, see yet again increased exports.
Ending the individual mandate in ACA.
There are other things that only conservatives like, such as restocking the federal bench, the Dakota and Keystone pipelines.

By any reasonable standard, Trump is a good President.

Just one correction will do for now; "reworked trade deals". Not one has been ratified.