Is Trump the American Khruschev?

[sanman]

After Kennedy and his people with Khrushchev and his people created the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 each of 'em was gone soon after it. If Trump has a major foreign policy or national security disaster nothing will save him in the presidency. Especially if Russia gains by it. China also but Russia especially and in particular. If no one gains by it as in 1962 then Trump is a goner from the presidency anyway for stepping into a major mess of foreign policy and national security that also gets us nowhere. Nobody in either country trusted either of 'em after that.

Russia has a $1 trillion economy, while China has a $16 trillion economy. China's economy is already larger than America's by 25% based on Purchasing Power Parity. There's no reason for America to be confronted by Russia, much less lose to it. And China is not Trump's making, but Clinton's, Dubya's, and Obama's - any of those preceding presidents could have acted more firmly to arrest the slide in America's standing relative to rising China, but they didn't. It took Trump to bluntly call out America's decline, by vowing to Make America Great Again.

 

[Airyaman]

Trump is a reformer? :lamo


How did I miss the comedy gold of this thread?

 

[sanman]

Thanks for the history lesson. The bottom line is that Trump is incompetent and incompetency means that things do not get done in a way that work. Putin, for example, is competent and is why Russia works for the Russians. Trump is trying to copy Putin but he is incompetent and therefore his efforts will fail. In addition, Russia was never a Democratic country and why autocracy works and worked in the past. Our forefathers saw this potential problem and as such put in a checks and balances plan that prevents anyone from taking over, such as Lenin and Putin did.

Trump had 2 years to "make it happen" given that he had both the House and the Senate in his pocket. He failed and now with the House being Democrats, things are starting to go south on him because he has no idea of what he is doing. Trump will ultimately become the biggest joke that ever became President.

What does this say about the people that support him?

But the House and Senate weren't in Trump's pocket - they were in the Swamp's pocket. Trump, along with his base, have called out many of the GOP establishment on their disloyalty to longstanding Conservative planks. The Republicans have been bought out by globalists, and it's up to Trump and the base to set them straight.

 

[Tangmo]

Russia has a $1 trillion economy, while China has a $16 trillion economy. China's economy is already larger than America's by 25% based on Purchasing Power Parity. There's no reason for America to be confronted by Russia, much less lose to it. And China is not Trump's making, but Clinton's, Dubya's, and Obama's - any of those preceding presidents could have acted more firmly to arrest the slide in America's standing relative to rising China, but they didn't. It took Trump to bluntly call out America's decline, by vowing to Make America Great Again.

Since your onetrack programming missed it completely here again is my post (#26):

After Kennedy and his people with Khrushchev and his people created the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 each of 'em was soon gone. If Trump has a major foreign policy or national security disaster nothing will save him in the presidency. Especially if Russia gains by it. China also but Russia especially and in particular. If no one gains by it as in 1962 then Trump is a goner from the presidency anyway for stepping into a major mess of foreign policy and national security that also gets us nowhere. Nobody in either country trusted either of 'em after that.

 

[Luckyone]

But the House and Senate weren't in Trump's pocket - they were in the Swamp's pocket. Trump, along with his base, have called out many of the GOP establishment on their disloyalty to longstanding Conservative planks. The Republicans have been bought out by globalists, and it's up to Trump and the base to set them straight.

Trump doesn't have the ability to set his own clock to the right time and he is supposed to be able to run a country such as ours?

As has been the case before on anything other than Real Estate, he fails and takes the company into bankruptcy. It is about time the Trump supporters realize this and start looking elsewhere. Change for the sake of change does not work. You only end up with worse. Perfect example is his trying to drain the swamp and only accomplishing new and bigger alligators taking over.

 

[sanman]

Since your onetrack programming missed it completely here again is my post (#26):

After Kennedy and his people with Khrushchev and his people created the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 each of 'em was soon gone. If Trump has a major foreign policy or national security disaster nothing will save him in the presidency. Especially if Russia gains by it. China also but Russia especially and in particular. If no one gains by it as in 1962 then Trump is a goner from the presidency anyway for stepping into a major mess of foreign policy and national security that also gets us nowhere. Nobody in either country trusted either of 'em after that.

No, I simply pointed out the obvious - which is that the Eurocentric Left are hyper-obsessed with RussiaRussiaRussia, while China is the one stealing America's lunch in the meantime. The reason for this is that the Democrat Left are a Coalition of Special Interest Groups, and the Atlanticist Eurocentrist lobby had steadily inserted themselves into that coalition to become a prime mover within it.

This man was the first to endorse Barack Obama for President, and was very obsequious in doing so:




Despite their moral posturing, the Coalition of Special Interests that comprises the Left have no interest in each other beyond their calculations of mutual advantage. As soon as the calculations change, the morality changes - this is all as per Orwell's writings. It's therefore essential for the Left to have control over the media in order to quickly revise and redirect us on who we're now at war with.

The drumbeat of animosity towards Russia reached a crescendo when Putin responded to the Ukraine coup by invading the Eastern half of that country. Nobody on either side of the aisle particularly cares to ask how the anti-democratic coup happened. It's all conveniently swept under the rug. This is how we've slid back into full-throated Red-baiting, with the Left leading the charge, and the Swamp-infested GOP following along.

The specter of another 1962-style Cuban Missile Crisis confrontation is not diminished by the Left-wing drumbeat of war against Russia -- it's aggravated by it.

 

[Grokmaster]

Critics of Trump like to call him crude, ill-mannered, and uncivilized ("Ugh, what is that uncouth guy saying this time? What a caveman!")
People used to say the same about Khruschev ("Look - he's taken off his shoe and is hammering it on the table! What a caveman! What a dumb farmer!")

Khruschev was a reformer.
Many say that Trump is a reformer too.

Khruschev became leader due to a backlash following the rule of Stalin. Contrary to popular belief, Stalin was not a Russian himself, but came from a tiny ethnic minority - he was Georgian.
Coming from the tiny Georgian minority and having to contend with much larger ethnic groups like Russians and Ukrainians, he naturally wanted to build up a huge overpowering state in order to give him the means to grapple with much larger social groups, in order to bring society to heel under his vision.

Trump became POTUS in a backlash against the policies of his predecessor, who was also an ethnic minority. This predecessor likewise wanted to build up an overpowering state to help him stamp his vision onto the wider society, and bring larger uncooperative groups to heel. Eric Holder wasn't as severe as Dherzinsky, but he had some attitudes towards the rest of American society which many deem unhealthy.


And yet what happened to Khruschev in the end? When his far-reaching reforms stumbled, he got prematurely pushed out - his opponents had him put out to pasture.
Trump is engaging in far-reaching reforms too. If these should stumble and the economy runs into serious adversity, then his opponents will likewise pounce, and have him put out to pasture.


What are the risks of this happening?

Kruschev BACKED DOWN.


Trump WON'T.

 

[sanman]

Kruschev BACKED DOWN.


Trump WON'T.

That's a key point - I was going to mention it myself.

The other thing that caused Khruschev to be undone was some of his agricultural reforms going sour and causing serious hardship due to lower food production. The equivalent analog of that for Trump's presidency is if his economic initiatives like the trade confrontation strategy somehow go sour - but I don't see that happening either. We need to give adequate weight to the fact that Trump's economic policies, including those on Trade, are not a one-man show. Trump is the CEO, but he's recruited some top executives to pursue his agenda for him - Larry Kudlow, Steve Mnuchin, Wilbur Ross, Peter Navarro, among others.

One of the nice things about Trump, is that he's someone who's had a lot of experience leading a large organization - so he has a natural instinct for getting top talent to serve under him.
Who did Obama first turn to when he won the election - Ram Emmanuel, the soon-to-be crappy Mayor of Chicago? Pathetic.

Look at the economy. Look at the employment numbers. It's a great turnaround for America that's been happening. So I'm hoping that Americans will stand up for their president, instead of letting the Swamp take him down.

 

[sanman]

Khruschev vs Nixon in the Kitchen Debate
(notice how Nixon describes Khruschev @2:23 - who does that remind us of?)





Khruschev goes to Hollywood:





Khruschev denounces his predecessor for abuse of power:

 

[OscarLevant]

Critics of Trump like to call him crude, ill-mannered, and uncivilized ("Ugh, what is that uncouth guy saying this time? What a caveman!")
People used to say the same about Khruschev ("Look - he's taken off his shoe and is hammering it on the table! What a caveman! What a dumb farmer!")

Khruschev was a reformer.
Many say that Trump is a reformer too.

Khruschev became leader due to a backlash following the rule of Stalin. Contrary to popular belief, Stalin was not a Russian himself, but came from a tiny ethnic minority - he was Georgian.
Coming from the tiny Georgian minority and having to contend with much larger ethnic groups like Russians and Ukrainians, he naturally wanted to build up a huge overpowering state in order to give him the means to grapple with much larger social groups, in order to bring society to heel under his vision.

Trump became POTUS in a backlash against the policies of his predecessor, who was also an ethnic minority. This predecessor likewise wanted to build up an overpowering state to help him stamp his vision onto the wider society, and bring larger uncooperative groups to heel. Eric Holder wasn't as severe as Dherzinsky, but he had some attitudes towards the rest of American society which many deem unhealthy.


And yet what happened to Khruschev in the end? When his far-reaching reforms stumbled, he got prematurely pushed out - his opponents had him put out to pasture.
Trump is engaging in far-reaching reforms too. If these should stumble and the economy runs into serious adversity, then his opponents will likewise pounce, and have him put out to pasture.


What are the risks of this happening?

NO, he's America's Franco. Ask any old Spaniard.

 

[markjs]

There's a big difference. Kruschev was competent, Trupmp is a failed phony billionaire ex TV star who even blew that. Trump has failed at everything he has tried. Kruschev was capable as a leader, Trump isn't capable of feeding himself without help.

 

[Nickyjo]

As long as we are on the topic of Nikita, Trump was in rare form with his comments on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He apparently has been following Putin’s lead, saying they invaded to stop terrorism which had been attacking Russia. “We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American president,” said the Wall Street Journal.

Just another day in Trump World. The guy is the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland. Or if you prefer the Queen of Diamonds, he seems to be the Manchurian Candidate. Does he know how ridiculous he is?

 

[CriticalThought]

Critics of Trump like to call him crude, ill-mannered, and uncivilized ("Ugh, what is that uncouth guy saying this time? What a caveman!")
People used to say the same about Khruschev ("Look - he's taken off his shoe and is hammering it on the table! What a caveman! What a dumb farmer!")

Khruschev was a reformer.
Many say that Trump is a reformer too.

Khruschev became leader due to a backlash following the rule of Stalin. Contrary to popular belief, Stalin was not a Russian himself, but came from a tiny ethnic minority - he was Georgian.
Coming from the tiny Georgian minority and having to contend with much larger ethnic groups like Russians and Ukrainians, he naturally wanted to build up a huge overpowering state in order to give him the means to grapple with much larger social groups, in order to bring society to heel under his vision.

Trump became POTUS in a backlash against the policies of his predecessor, who was also an ethnic minority. This predecessor likewise wanted to build up an overpowering state to help him stamp his vision onto the wider society, and bring larger uncooperative groups to heel. Eric Holder wasn't as severe as Dherzinsky, but he had some attitudes towards the rest of American society which many deem unhealthy.


And yet what happened to Khruschev in the end? When his far-reaching reforms stumbled, he got prematurely pushed out - his opponents had him put out to pasture.
Trump is engaging in far-reaching reforms too. If these should stumble and the economy runs into serious adversity, then his opponents will likewise pounce, and have him put out to pasture.


What are the risks of this happening?

I have to know what you envision are the "far reaching reforms" sought by Donald Trump.

 

[SoCal]

The American Khrushchev?

He’s the Kremlin’s man in the White House, if that’s what you mean.

Exactly, Trump isn't the American Khruschev, he's the American Putin...

 

[jnug]

After Trump's performances on Wednesday and Thursday, I would settle for "our Gaffafi" or our Idi Amin, never mind our Khrushchev.

Is Trump's mind completely gone? Has this lifetime of corruption and narcissism finally short circuited anything and everything channeling between his ears and through that gum ball machine brain of his? Does virtually any snippet of material no matter the source get stuck up there if in his thought process he thinks he can use it somehow however outrageous? This is no longer an idle question for late night talk show host monologue.

Trump's take on the Russian Incursion into Afghanistan and the resultant impact on what was then the Soviet Union is entirely absurd. In fact worse than absurd, the only possible sources for such a view is Soviet, now Russian propaganda, a Russian Trump whisperer. Who might that be?

Trump's comments about Terrorists at our Southern Border are completely other worldly. He has taken the kinds of things that will get you a Secondary Screening at an airport and turned them into "we have stopped 3,000 terrorists" at the border. That is utter nonsense. If I were still active in my role as an Executive my travel itineraries though not that "interesting" in my day would earn me a Secondary Screening every single international trip I took if taken today. There is not a single airport I would be flying back into here the US that would not Secondary Screen me.

As for his lack of any ability to speak coherently, it is time to hang it up on this one. This is not a bug with him or a glitch. This is him. He meanders through and around various topics and contexts most of them irrelevant with no rhyme nor reason, droning on constantly. He is simply all over the map. Worse, virtually none of it touches down anywhere or is grounded somewhere in any sort of reality while being incoherent. We have no evidence whatsoever that his private meetings and discussions in the Situation Room of the WH go any better or any differently. If anything the evidence we have is that they go exactly the way we saw him Wednesday and Thursday, an endless stream of nonsense and weird conclusions based on more nonsense.

This is the biggest problem with the guardrails being gone and Trump believing he does not need them. The guy who thinks the Soviets crossed the border into Afghanistan because of terrorists attacking the Soviet Union is the guy that is the Commander in Chief!

This now speaks to the other half of the illogical thought process that lead many of Trump's supporters to be Trump supporters.
1) They bought the idea that he knows all the tricks and would turn them on the tricksters hook line and sinker. Middle America believed it had been sold down the river by Wall St and therefore determined that one of the world's biggest grifters and grafters, Mr Corruption himself would save them. Ah-huh
2) A guy who's only real business success was The Apprentice, a TV show built on a lie was any different from the rest of that LaLa Land crowd. The contemporary video arts community in America is populated in the main by two kinds of people:
- people that are so devoted to their art that they really don't know much about what is going on outside of that context. They might at some point in their lives become devoted to some singular cause under the heading of giving back, but that is it for them.
- people that are celebrities, full on nut jobs who have gained notoriety for their outrageousness that should likely be medicated 24 hours of every day(Trump fits here)

 

[JackA]

Kruschev BACKED DOWN.


Trump WON'T.

He will. He’s a coward beneath the bluster.


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/trump-almost-always-folds/560948/

 

[Tangmo]

Putin will order Trump to stand down.

Trump will have no choice but to save his own ass.

We know Trump's ass comes first in a big way.

 

[markjs]

He will. He’s a coward beneath the bluster.


https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/trump-almost-always-folds/560948/

He's a coward and doesn't even hide it well. Those guys who like him are just dumb and gullible. Do you read what they post?:roll:

 

[Tangmo]

Methinks most of 'em are insidious.

 

[sanman]

As long as we are on the topic of Nikita, Trump was in rare form with his comments on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He apparently has been following Putin’s lead, saying they invaded to stop terrorism which had been attacking Russia. “We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American president,” said the Wall Street Journal.

I don't see why you feel Trump's statement reflects a poor understanding of 9-11. Trump's a New Yorker, and he more than most felt outraged over 9-11. By contrast, the Left chose to downplay 9-11 and even went out of their way to adopt a new pet favorite ethnic group in response. So I don't see why you're reading so much into his statement.

Trump's purpose in making that statement was not to expound on history or teach a history class - his purpose in making that statement was to express his willingness to collaborate with Russia on a common enemy to modern civilization - ie. Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorism. The Russians are far more civilized than the barbaric medievalist jihadists - they don't plunge airliners into metropolitan areas - and so it's natural for America to make common cause with Russia to defeat jihadism.

 

[markjs]

I don't see why you feel Trump's statement reflects a poor understanding of 9-11. Trump's a New Yorker, and he more than most felt outraged over 9-11. By contrast, the Left chose to downplay 9-11 and even went out of their way to adopt a new pet favorite ethnic group in response. So I don't see why you're reading so much into his statement.

Trump's purpose in making that statement was not to expound on history or teach a history class - his purpose in making that statement was to express his willingness to collaborate with Russia on a common enemy to modern civilization - ie. Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorism. The Russians are far more civilized than the barbaric medievalist jihadists - they don't plunge airliners into metropolitan areas - and so it's natural for America to make common cause with Russia to defeat jihadism.

Earnin' them Kremlin checks are ya?:roll:

 

[sanman]

I have to know what you envision are the "far reaching reforms" sought by Donald Trump.

Trump's reforms deal with shifting away from imperialist undertakings that were hollowing out America, and shifting towards the restoration of national sovereignty and the primacy of national interest.

National security and national sovereignty, including border security and crime-fighting, are finally getting more attention.

Trump has been downsizing an overgrown govt (useful for an empire, but not for a nation). He's been lowering taxes and removing bureaucratic over-regulation. He's been freeing America's economy from the strait-jackets that constrict it.

Trump has been pulling America back from disastrous commitments overseas, and has been strengthening its military instead of keeping it bogged down in wasteful quagmires.

Earnin' them Kremlin checks are ya?:roll:

That's all you got? Seriously? Boy, that Kremlin's everywhere - better check under your bed at night :roll:

 

[iguanaman]

Oh? Explain to me how these amount to differences between Khruschev and Trump.
Exactly how is Trump "complete idiot and/or senile"?

You seem to be speaking as one of Trump's opponents. Khruschev likewise had opponents who would've said the same about him.

I'm pretty sure that Khruschev was not head of a crime family and attempted to bring it to Moscow like Trump is trying in Washington. He would have been out even quicker than Trump will be.

 

[markjs]

Trump's reforms deal with shifting away from imperialist undertakings that were hollowing out America, and shifting towards the restoration of national sovereignty and the primacy of national interest.

National security and national sovereignty, including border security and crime-fighting, are finally getting more attention.

Trump has been downsizing an overgrown govt (useful for an empire, but not for a nation). He's been lowering taxes and removing bureaucratic over-regulation. He's been freeing America's economy from the strait-jackets that constrict it.

Trump has been pulling America back from disastrous commitments overseas, and has been strengthening its military instead of keeping it bogged down in wasteful quagmires.



That's all you got? Seriously? Boy, that Kremlin's everywhere - better check under your bed at night :roll:

Well being as you bring truckloads of fantasy bull**** and no facts, why should you deserve anything? Everyone else sees through your fallacious bull**** posts. I'm not the only one.:roll:

 

[JustHanging]

Critics of Trump like to call him crude, ill-mannered, and uncivilized ("Ugh, what is that uncouth guy saying this time? What a caveman!")
People used to say the same about Khruschev ("Look - he's taken off his shoe and is hammering it on the table! What a caveman! What a dumb farmer!")

Khruschev was a reformer.
Many say that Trump is a reformer too.

Khruschev became leader due to a backlash following the rule of Stalin. Contrary to popular belief, Stalin was not a Russian himself, but came from a tiny ethnic minority - he was Georgian.
Coming from the tiny Georgian minority and having to contend with much larger ethnic groups like Russians and Ukrainians, he naturally wanted to build up a huge overpowering state in order to give him the means to grapple with much larger social groups, in order to bring society to heel under his vision.

Trump became POTUS in a backlash against the policies of his predecessor, who was also an ethnic minority. This predecessor likewise wanted to build up an overpowering state to help him stamp his vision onto the wider society, and bring larger uncooperative groups to heel. Eric Holder wasn't as severe as Dherzinsky, but he had some attitudes towards the rest of American society which many deem unhealthy.


And yet what happened to Khruschev in the end? When his far-reaching reforms stumbled, he got prematurely pushed out - his opponents had him put out to pasture.
Trump is engaging in far-reaching reforms too. If these should stumble and the economy runs into serious adversity, then his opponents will likewise pounce, and have him put out to pasture.


What are the risks of this happening?

Trump is a willfully ignorant idiot (or moron, take your pick) too lazy to learn the even the most basic facts about apparently anything. I never heard that about Khruschev. Did you?