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Is Trump Making America Great Again?

Is Trump Making America Great Again?

  • Yes

    Votes: 30 20.5%
  • No

    Votes: 116 79.5%

  • Total voters
    146
Poor little snowflakes no more pixie dust and unicorns in their boring future ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

You're talking about snowflakes and you took the time to reply to a months old post so you could whine about snowflakes? The irony is breathtaking.
 
Thanks for the stats. Agree with you on the ACA, as I am a Medicare for all guy. I have to presume that some of what pushed the democrats to pass the ACA was a "foot in the door" sense. Get something passed while we can, and reform it later, if necessary. National health care has been a liberal dream since the 1940s. It worked, as the GOP now wants to replace Obamacare, evidence that they now accept that the government has a responsibility in this area. For this, the Iran agreement and the Paris climate accord, I believe that historians will say that Obama was a transformative president like FDR and LBJ, for better or worse. What he did might be modified, but not be undone. I would have preferred the prez to do a series of talks on how we could phase Medicare in over a period of time, starting with, say, everyone over 60 for a few years, then gradually lowering the age. There are probably some serious flaws in this, but as I have mentioned here before, we already had several forms of national insurance from pure socialism (the VA) to partial socialism (Medicare and Medicaid). He could have noted this and said why not everyone?, and mention how health care works in other countries with better outcomes, tho it would have made some folks apoplectic if he suggested that we can learn from others. It still would have been a useful civic exercise. But, on balance, he moved the needle dramatically.

If I remember right, Truman first came up with the idea of Medicare. It took from him to LBJ to finally get the majority of Americans on board. I'm sure you're right on the ACA, get something passed and reform it later. I said as much more than a few times. Only 2010 happened and there was no chance to fix any flaws. I don't know what Obama will be remembered as. That's for the historians. But in my lifetime, born right after WWII, I would rate Obama as a bit below average. Above Carter, Ford and Bush II, but below the rest.

That doesn't mean I think he was a bad president, he wasn't. But there are times when we need to just sit back and let things adjust without a ton of new stuff. He did his job. My four above average presidents, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan and Clinton. The rest are in the middle, average. No great or near great. But I doubt we would know if a president was great or near great that we experienced. Historians looking back know how a presidents policies and deed affected this nation. We, in the here and now, go more by popular appeal and job approval.

Truman when he left office in 1952 had a job approval rating of 35% and stood no chance of being re-elected if he had decided to run again. Now, he is viewed as a near great president. Eisenhower first showed up on the historians polls as 22nd, today he is number 9. So who knows how historians will look back on Obama?

Medicare for all, it is probably coming. The thing is that people have paid into medicare at a tax rate of 2.9% over a lifetime to be utilized when one reaches 65. How high would the medicare tax rate have to be to include all Americas. Supposedly, medicare is going bankrupt in 20 years or so taking care of those just over 65. You have social security now at 15%, would most Americans agree to another 15% or more taken from them for medicare for all? I don't know.
 
Final note: some historians may note that those representatives who lost their seats cause of their ACA votes were unsung heroes. Thank you for your service.

Perhaps, depending on the status of the ACA next year? I've read where Knoxville and its surrounding 15 counties will be without a single insurance company in the ACA beginning next year. The whole state of Iowa may also join Knoxville without any company offering insurance through the ACA. Nine states will be down to one company. The dire predictions, predictions that don't always come true.

There is only one way to find out, put off any and all changes, repeal efforts and let's see what next year brings. Go with what the people want. Today, they don't want repeal and replace. Next year, who knows? But what needs to happen is the two major parties sit down and talk this thing out. If it means compromise to fix the healthcare problem, then compromise. If it means a name change from Obamacare to something else, by all means. That's a bone for the Republicans.
 
If I remember right, Truman first came up with the idea of Medicare. It took from him to LBJ to finally get the majority of Americans on board. I'm sure you're right on the ACA, get something passed and reform it later. I said as much more than a few times. Only 2010 happened and there was no chance to fix any flaws. I don't know what Obama will be remembered as. That's for the historians. But in my lifetime, born right after WWII, I would rate Obama as a bit below average. Above Carter, Ford and Bush II, but below the rest.

That doesn't mean I think he was a bad president, he wasn't. But there are times when we need to just sit back and let things adjust without a ton of new stuff. He did his job. My four above average presidents, Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan and Clinton. The rest are in the middle, average. No great or near great. But I doubt we would know if a president was great or near great that we experienced. Historians looking back know how a presidents policies and deed affected this nation. We, in the here and now, go more by popular appeal and job approval.

Truman when he left office in 1952 had a job approval rating of 35% and stood no chance of being re-elected if he had decided to run again. Now, he is viewed as a near great president. Eisenhower first showed up on the historians polls as 22nd, today he is number 9. So who knows how historians will look back on Obama?

Medicare for all, it is probably coming. The thing is that people have paid into medicare at a tax rate of 2.9% over a lifetime to be utilized when one reaches 65. How high would the medicare tax rate have to be to include all Americas. Supposedly, medicare is going bankrupt in 20 years or so taking care of those just over 65. You have social security now at 15%, would most Americans agree to another 15% or more taken from them for medicare for all? I don't know.

The idea of medical care (insurance coverage?) costing "everyone" a fixed percentage of their income (UHC?) has some major problems:

1) An individual then pays the same whether they have "covered" dependents or not.

2) A two (or more) earner household (a tax family?) then pays more Medicare taxes to get no more benefits.

3) What coverage do the unemployed get? If you worked one year (or one week?) are you covered for life?

4) The higher the payroll tax is then the more that will seek to evade/avoid it. Working "off the books" will screw over states that rely on income taxation (God blessed Texas).

5) Would that Medicare tax jump to 15% (or more) apply to those now on Social Security? If not then they get "free" medical care that must be paid for by others.

6) Medicare still has a premium taken from the (social security) income of those getting it now - will that premium be the same for an 18 year old (who is not a dependent) as it is for a 65 year old?

7) Would the military or any other "privileged" group be exempt?
 
Perhaps, depending on the status of the ACA next year? I've read where Knoxville and its surrounding 15 counties will be without a single insurance company in the ACA beginning next year. The whole state of Iowa may also join Knoxville without any company offering insurance through the ACA. Nine states will be down to one company. The dire predictions, predictions that don't always come true.

There is only one way to find out, put off any and all changes, repeal efforts and let's see what next year brings. Go with what the people want. Today, they don't want repeal and replace. Next year, who knows? But what needs to happen is the two major parties sit down and talk this thing out. If it means compromise to fix the healthcare problem, then compromise. If it means a name change from Obamacare to something else, by all means. That's a bone for the Republicans.

PPACA is much more than just the exchanges and related subsidies. It affects (messes with) all "private" medical care insurance as well as Medicare and Medicaid.
 
The idea of medical care (insurance coverage?) costing "everyone" a fixed percentage of their income (UHC?) has some major problems:

1) An individual then pays the same whether they have "covered" dependents or not.

2) A two (or more) earner household (a tax family?) then pays more Medicare taxes to get no more benefits.

3) What coverage do the unemployed get? If you worked one year (or one week?) are you covered for life?

4) The higher the payroll tax is then the more that will seek to evade/avoid it. Working "off the books" will screw over states that rely on income taxation (God blessed Texas).

5) Would that Medicare tax jump to 15% (or more) apply to those now on Social Security? If not then they get "free" medical care that must be paid for by others.

6) Medicare still has a premium taken from the (social security) income of those getting it now - will that premium be the same for an 18 year old (who is not a dependent) as it is for a 65 year old?

7) Would the military or any other "privileged" group be exempt?

Who knows? There is no easy answers. There are tons of more questions to be asked that at the moment we don't even know what to ask. Who knows the answer if we don't even know the question? Your seven questions are a start, but there are many more. It will take someone a lot smarter than me to figure it out. Medicare for all sounds good as a slogan. It's in the details as to where it sucks.

I think the best solution is to put everything on hold until next year and take stock where we stand then.
 
Who knows? There is no easy answers. There are tons of more questions to be asked that at the moment we don't even know what to ask. Who knows the answer if we don't even know the question? Your seven questions are a start, but there are many more. It will take someone a lot smarter than me to figure it out. Medicare for all sounds good as a slogan. It's in the details as to where it sucks.

I think the best solution is to put everything on hold until next year and take stock where we stand then.

I agree. Jiffy fixes like the AHCA (in its current form) are simply bandaids trying to keep "the good parts" of a complex mess generally known as ObamaCare.
 
PPACA is much more than just the exchanges and related subsidies. It affects (messes with) all "private" medical care insurance as well as Medicare and Medicaid.

If one was worried about the uninsured, that was where congress or the Democrats should have concentrated on back in 2009. Perhaps I should have said those who didn't have healthcare, not necessarily insurance. Perhaps a VA style healthcare system, clinic run by the government to take care of the poor while leaving everyone else alone? For the longest time the town I was originally from ran a free clinic for the poor. Doctors took turn donating their time to the clinic. But then government intervention did away with the clinic.

What we need is a national debate, a consensus to what is to be done. All I know is I don't have an answer.
 
If one was worried about the uninsured, that was where congress or the Democrats should have concentrated on back in 2009. Perhaps I should have said those who didn't have healthcare, not necessarily insurance. Perhaps a VA style healthcare system, clinic run by the government to take care of the poor while leaving everyone else alone? For the longest time the town I was originally from ran a free clinic for the poor. Doctors took turn donating their time to the clinic. But then government intervention did away with the clinic.

What we need is a national debate, a consensus to what is to be done. All I know is I don't have an answer.

I favor the idea of adding a "public option" based on Medicaid expansion at a cost of X% of gross income as the premium. That X% should vary based on individual only (6%), individual and spouse only (9%) or individual and all dependents (12%). Those percentages are simply SWAGs and could be adjusted (annually?) based on actuarial risk analysis.
 
So far?

Nope.

America has been going downhill, imo, since at least 2001 (when the Fed started to get directly involved in macroeconomic stimulation) and Trump has done nothing overall to arrest that situation, imo.

He is not accelerating the decline greatly from an economic point-of-view so far.

But his flip flopped stance on the Fed and his continued (though more subdued) talk of protectionism has destroyed any hopes I had for him turning things around during his term.

Plus, he seems to be ready to shoot the deficit back into the trillion dollar territory (if his Keynesian-style 'infrastructure stimulus' goes through).

Nope, economically, he looks to be a lost cause.

And judging by the dollar decline (lowest since Trump's inauguration), the economic world is starting to agree.
 
I agree. Jiffy fixes like the AHCA (in its current form) are simply bandaids trying to keep "the good parts" of a complex mess generally known as ObamaCare.

Or as some folks down here have come to refer to it as Obamacare lite.
 
I favor the idea of adding a "public option" based on Medicaid expansion at a cost of X% of gross income as the premium. That X% should vary based on individual only (6%), individual and spouse only (9%) or individual and all dependents (12%). Those percentages are simply SWAGs and could be adjusted (annually?) based on actuarial risk analysis.

SWAG's are good, at least it shows you're thinking. I do think this one size fits all regardless whether its Obamacare or Trumpcare or whatever one wants to call them is the wrong approach. Medical needs, conditions, circumstances, situations, any number of factors vary from state to state, location to location, even city to city and urban, suburban, rural.
 
You're talking about snowflakes and you took the time to reply to a months old post so you could whine about snowflakes? The irony is breathtaking.

Now that makes sense in mom's basement .
 
interesting ............ this poll is three month in age and the current result are

Is Trump Making America Great Again?

Yes = 22%

No = 78%


What (if anything) can Trump do to improve & to MAGA?
 
Naturally, much more time will be necessary to fairly determine .. Trump is , as even his supporters should admit, a WINDBAG !
He will not , cannot, ''make us great again'' , we were , in honesty, never great in the first place .
I voted NO , I do not like the pompous bag of compressed air .
 
Theres only one occupier of the the white house that said that ad infinitum and it wasnt the current one.

Trump is doing what presidents are supposed to do: Work tirelessly on behalf of the American people to insure security and a better life. Obama flat our didn't give a ****. He was all about chopping up the electorate into groups, and doing his best to change the country's demographic away from what he saw was a white middle class that didn't deserve to be there.

He did a pretty good job on punishing the middle class, but along the way everyone else go hurt. Not a shrug from Obama.
 
interesting ............ this poll is three month in age and the current result are

Is Trump Making America Great Again?

Yes = 22%

No = 78%


What (if anything) can Trump do to improve & to MAGA?

Looking at the demographics of this site the poll is more a census of the left wing membership here.
 
interesting ............ this poll is three month in age and the current result are

Is Trump Making America Great Again?

Yes = 22%

No = 78%


What (if anything) can Trump do to improve & to MAGA?

Resign.
 
Trump ran with a campaign slogan to, "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"


Is Trump Making America Great Again?

Yes = how is Trump making America great again?

No = how is Trump failing to make America great again?


Thanks .......

Other

He is, to a certain extent. He could be doing more if he didn't face such daunting opposition from the left, their media, their talking potato heads, their useful idiots...and, of course, from the anti-Trump Republican opposition (especially those Republicans in Congress)
 
Other

He is, to a certain extent. He could be doing more if he didn't face such daunting opposition from the left, their media, their talking potato heads, their useful idiots...and, of course, from the anti-Trump Republican opposition (especially those Republicans in Congress)

The establishment just wants to hold their beachheads of power. It's not unexpected. What might be surprising to some is how the media, establishment and fringe party heads on both sides have stood together in lockstep to keep the swamp in operation.

It is a fearsome array of swamp creatures indeed.
 
The only time America was great was when it accomplished great deeds through the development of science and technology. The BOMB and the Moon landings are primary examples. The 1950s, 60s and 70s were the beneficiaries of those efforts and the economies that supported them. It's been down hill since then as we regress further and further away from a respect for science and a unified national mission.

We are like a rudderless ship with no sense of direction, changing direction with every election cycle. Without a unified sense of purpose we will flounder.
 
well, the poll opinions currently demonstrate that Trump is likely NOT making too much greatness for the big, old, over grown republic.

I know Donnie Dingleberry has signed a bunch of cheesy ass EOs but what is going on as far as real legislation?

Will Donnie EVER make America great again, or is this all about voodoo smoke & mirrors bull****?
 
well, the poll opinions currently demonstrate that Trump is likely NOT making too much greatness for the big, old, over grown republic.

I know Donnie Dingleberry has signed a bunch of cheesy ass EOs but what is going on as far as real legislation?

Will Donnie EVER make America great again, or is this all about voodoo smoke & mirrors bull****?

In order;

Yup.

Nothing.

Nope......yes, it is.
 
If by "great" you mean fascist, then yes. Otherwise, hell no.

Are you saying that Trump is guilty of making the left fascist. Its the left/liberals/progressives that are destroying property and stopping freedom of speech by views they don't like? Advocating killing congressmen and cops? Yeah your claim that republicans fascist is rather silly. You seem to be blaming Trump for what liberal do best....ROTHFLMAO

I will be damned if I can figure out how liberal/progressive blame attitudes can help them in coming elections.
 
Are you saying that Trump is guilty of making the left fascist. Its the left/liberals/progressives that are destroying property and stopping freedom of speech by views they don't like? Advocating killing congressmen and cops? Yeah your claim that republicans fascist is rather silly. You seem to be blaming Trump for what liberal do best....ROTHFLMAO

I will be damned if I can figure out how liberal/progressive blame attitudes can help them in coming elections.


police are doing that too

when another cop kills another citizen that is another voice silenced; speech is not only no longer free, it is completely silenced, and buried
 
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