Is Trump BAD for the Republican Party?

[radcen]

Agreed! The entrenched Republican elites have been exposed. McConnell, Ryan, etc., have been exposed. It's hard to imagine a weaker group of fools.

Voters gave the Republicans a majority in Congress, and gave them the White House, and they allow themselves to be on defense, and completely buried by the messaging coming from the minority and their MSM partners.

They had better get it together, or I would hope their constituents will do it for them.

If their constituents do it for them... and I presume you mean it'd have to be in the primaries, and not electing Dems to replace them... then even if the new Reps did get elected they'd have no seniority and wouldn't be in committee leadership positions, etc. They be at the bottom of the hierarchy.

 

[bearpoker]

"And this is just one of many organizations, that is part of a very successful, orchestrated, highly-funded billionaire effort to divert public policy in their direction."

Ok so to be fair lets look at highly funded billionaire efforts by people such as George Souros. Democrat leaning people with a lot of money are doing it too and have been doing it longer than judicial watch there is more money and more people and more organizations. if you look.

Links please? How many lawsuits have Bloomberg and Souros filed?

 

[Chomsky]

Ten bucks says they won't, even though they have nothing but opportunity being thrown at them.

As long as they keep playing identity politics, they won't easily hwin in the near future. Despite growing plurality, this is a predominate Caucasian heterosexual Christian country.

They need to push economic freedom, but Trump has already grabbed that mantle from them. Barring that, they could couch the struggle as authoritarianism versus democratic process, which I think is fair. For all the differences being described as being between Conservatism and Liberalism, I see Trump most predominately as an non-ideological self-serving authoritarian.

 

[ocean515]

If their constituents do it for them... and I presume you mean it'd have to be in the primaries, and not electing Dems to replace them... then even if the new Reps did get elected they'd have no seniority and wouldn't be in committee leadership positions, etc. They be at the bottom of the hierarchy.

Well of course. I'm am sure there are more qualified members of the Republican Party currently in Congress who would replace their leadership positions.

 

[Port & Starboard]

I think he's bad for the Republican Party. He has done a terrific job of creating division within the GOP. The Democrats need to get their **** together by 2018, so they can take advantage of that.

The republican party was splintered long before Trump arrived.

 

[bearpoker]

The republican party was splintered long before Trump arrived.

True. There will be disagreement in any large organization, but Republicans had been doing a remarkable job of presenting a united front before Trump. Their performance in congress is a good example of that.

 

[radcen]

Well of course. I'm am sure there are more qualified members of the Republican Party currently in Congress who would replace their leadership positions.

Fair point.

 

[joG]

It is rare that we can get past the first page of a trump/GOP thread without ... But Obama ... And ... But Clinton ...

I think it so obvious here and the Trump thing such a red herring, that it literally screamed for the recollection just to show how smelly the herring was.

 

[slick]

Is Trump BAD for the Republican Party?

Yes he is, he exposed more than half of the members of congress as no more
than Democratic Light. I early on supported Trump with money then I got
letter from Trump asking me to support the RNC which I did. No more, when I
realized my money was being used to help out guys like McCain, Ryan, Kasich
& Flake I stopped that kind of support in a second.

I hope Trump runs 3rd party next election, he probably IMO would come in 2nd
but it would eventually breakup the stronghold the liberal wing of the party has
on policy & bring about a far less politically correct party the conservatives can
sink there teeth in.

Trump only person w/the stuff to tear a system down that's been in place for decades -
Will take time & lots of disruption, but Trump will not walk away 'til he wins this battle.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump isn't bad for the "Republican Party". He's bad for the "Republican Elite/Establishment".

He kicked their asses in the primary...he energized the Republican base during the campaign...he has exposed them as the lying con artists they've been for the last two decades.

Their feet will be held to the fire of the Republican base in the next two elections.

 

[Media_Truth]

"And this is just one of many organizations, that is part of a very successful, orchestrated, highly-funded billionaire effort to divert public policy in their direction."

Ok so to be fair lets look at highly funded billionaire efforts by people such as George Souros. Democrat leaning people with a lot of money are doing it too and have been doing it longer than judicial watch there is more money and more people and more organizations. if you look.

And then there is Donor's Trust:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/14/donors-trust-funding-climate-denial-networks

The secretive funding channel known as the Donors Trust patronised a host of conservative causes.

But climate was at the top of the list. By 2010, Donors Trust had distributed $118m to 102 thinktanks or action groups which have a record of denying the existence of a human factor in climate change, or opposing environmental regulations.

Recipients included some of the best-known thinktanks on the right. The American Enterprise Institute, which is closely connected to the Republican party establishment and has a large staff of scholars, received more than $17m in untraceable donations over the years, the record show.

But relatively obscure organisations did not go overlooked. The Heartland Institute, virtually unknown outside the small world of climate politics, received $13.5m from the Donors Trust.

Americans for Prosperity, the Tea Party group seen as the strike force of the conservative oil billionaire Koch Brothers, received $11m since 2002.

Levi Russell, spokesman for Americans for Prosperity, declined to comment on the importance of that support to the organisation. "We're very grateful for each of the millions of activists and donors that make what we do possible," he said in an email.

The secretive funding network also funded individuals, such as Jo Kwong, an official at the Philanthropy Roundtable who was awarded $200,000 in 2010. And there was strong interest in funding media projects.

 

[radcen]

Trump isn't bad for the "Republican Party". He's bad for the "Republican Elite/Establishment".

He kicked their asses in the primary...he energized the Republican base during the campaign...he has exposed them as the lying con artists they've been for the last two decades.

Their feet will be held to the fire of the Republican base in the next two elections.

How are the two, Party and "establishment", not one and the same?

 

[Linc]

As long as they keep playing identity politics, they won't easily hwin in the near future. Despite growing plurality, this is a predominate Caucasian heterosexual Christian country.

They need to push economic freedom, but Trump has already grabbed that mantle from them. Barring that, they could couch the struggle as authoritarianism versus democratic process, which I think is fair. For all the differences being described as being between Conservatism and Liberalism, I see Trump most predominately as an non-ideological self-serving authoritarian.

I've seen GOPs use reverse identity politics since the cultural wars of the 1980s, with the religious right; right wing social engineering initiatives on the ballot coinciding with big elections;

anti-Hollywood memes; flyers at churches promoting the religious right causes; the 'we're more Patriotic than you are crap' bought in to by Veterans and their extended families;

We have plenty of strong, non hypocritical messengers to take back trump's phony claim to real Americans and worker issues; beginning with Senators Brown, Warren, Klobuchar, Sanders; GOP efforts to demonize DEM boogiewomen will backfire in 2018 ;

 

[MrPeanut]

As long as they keep playing identity politics, they won't easily hwin in the near future. Despite growing plurality, this is a predominate Caucasian heterosexual Christian country.

They need to push economic freedom, but Trump has already grabbed that mantle from them. Barring that, they could couch the struggle as authoritarianism versus democratic process, which I think is fair. For all the differences being described as being between Conservatism and Liberalism, I see Trump most predominately as an non-ideological self-serving authoritarian.

I think the biggest problem with the identity politics strategy is that we have an electoral college. Democrats can keep winning the popular vote, but until minority communities start popping up in rural WV or KY they still won't win the election.

 

[Linc]

I think it so obvious here and the Trump thing such a red herring, that it literally screamed for the recollection just to show how smelly the herring was.

We see that deflective recollection on every trump thread since trumposters can't or won't defend him .

 

[Mycroft]

How are the two, Party and "establishment", not one and the same?

The same way the Democratic Party Establishment is not the same as the Party base...as we saw in the last primary and election. The only difference between the Republican Elite/Establishment and the Democrat Elite/Establishment is that Trump kicked Elite/Establishment ass and the Democratic Elite/Establishment kicked their base's ass.

 

[Chomsky]

I've seen GOPs use reverse identity politics since the cultural wars of the 1980s, with the religious right; right wing social engineering initiatives on the ballot coinciding with big elections;

anti-Hollywood memes; flyers at churches promoting the religious right causes; the 'we're more Patriotic than you are crap' bought in to by Veterans and their extended families;

We have plenty of strong, non hypocritical messengers to take back trump's phony claim to real Americans and worker issues; beginning with Senators Brown, Warren, Klobuchar, Sanders; GOP efforts to demonize DEM boogiewomen will backfire in 2018 ;

Yes, that is true.

But if you embrace identity politics as your tool to win elections, in order to prevail you need to embrace the majority (or largest plurality) identity! :2razz:

 

[Linc]

I think the biggest problem with the identity politics strategy is that we have an electoral college. Democrats can keep winning the popular vote, but until minority communities start popping up in rural WV or KY they still won't win the election.

Her name is Amy McGrath, 20-year retired Lt. Col. running against GOP incumbent Andy Barr in the KY-6 CD. Her introductory ad is one of the buzzes on the Internet.

These are the kinds of Democrats that will win in the South, as with Gov. Bel Edwards in LA, Gov. Cooper of NC, Gov. McAuliffe in VA, former and term-limited Governors Beshear of KY and Nixon of Missouri; otoh, GOP governors currently hold such blue states in the east as ME, NH, VT, MA, NJ and MD.

DEMs have a shot at 13 of the 27 GOP governors next year, including FL where term-limited Scott will probably run against Sen. Nelson; DEMs have Gov. Bullock and Sen. Tester in very trump state MT .

 

[<alt>doxygen]

The same way the Democratic Party Establishment is not the same as the Party base...as we saw in the last primary and election. The only difference between the Republican Elite/Establishment and the Democrat Elite/Establishment is that Trump kicked Elite/Establishment ass and the Democratic Elite/Establishment kicked their base's ass.

Very true, but now that Trump won and the Republicans control everything, we can all see how incompetent the Repubs are and what kind of a person Trump really is.

The rocks have been turned over, and I thank Trump for that. Unfortunately for Trump, one of those rocks was Trump himself.

 

[Chomsky]

I think the biggest problem with the identity politics strategy is that we have an electoral college. Democrats can keep winning the popular vote, but until minority communities start popping up in rural WV or KY they still won't win the election.

Fair point.

But to make headway in those rural communities today, they need more than cultural identity. They need a more universal message. They used to own the "working-man's economic freedom" message, but now they ceded it to Trump! I'm not sure how to easily reverse that.

 

[Linc]

Yes, that is true.

But if you embrace identity politics as your tool to win elections, in order to prevail you need to embrace the majority (or largest plurality) identity! :2razz:

It's back to yard work after this post as my wife just came home from laundry and caught me posting.

DEMs are so much more than identity politics, as with their 'BETTER DEAL', versus the GOPs 'NO DEAL'.

DEM fringe identity groups have been one of the worst voting blocks for them; Obama couldn't do enough for them for 2010 and 2014;

Check into the 'neighbors' question and other polling techniques of the Trafalgar Group when you have a chance; they got the EC in 47 states, sans NV, NH, WI .

 

[jimbo]

He is not a psycho.

Look what he's done to the Democratic Party. He won. He showed them they were not connecting to the American people and couldn't pass along the baton to an unworthy candidate because they owed her one. They'd better get crackin'. As for Republicans? They're scattered all over the damned place. Six or seven years they voted unimously for repeal-replace. They have now been shown they are frauds. And THEY'D better get Crackin'. As for the American people? I'd say he's brought a new interest in politics to us all.

THAT's how.

Damn that's a good answer.

Too many forget that in order to get to the Democrats, Trump had to get through the Republicans. Bad for the party? I think that depends on your definition of Republican. If you are referring to the DC Republicans, I'd say yes, and I hope so. If you refer to the little guy Republicans, he's good for them.

I think that if the little guy Democrats would pause in their bash Trump policies, I think they would realize that Trump is not all that bad for them.

 

[Chomsky]

It's back to yard work after this post as my wife just came home from laundry and caught me posting.

DEMs are so much more than identity politics, as with their 'BETTER DEAL', versus the GOPs 'NO DEAL'.

DEM fringe identity groups have been one of the worst voting blocks for them; Obama couldn't do enough for them for 2010 and 2014;

Check into the 'neighbors' question and other polling techniques of the Trafalgar Group when you have a chance; they got the EC in 47 states, sans NV, NH, WI .

Agreed.

 

[Linc]

Fair point.

But to make headway in those rural communities today, they need more than cultural identity. They need a more universal message. They used to own the "working-man's economic freedom" message, but now they ceded it to Trump! I'm not sure how to easily reverse that.

One more: one of trump's dumbest moves two days ago with 'fire and fury' was stepping on the opiod message, as well as not calling it an emergency.

trump states like OH have some of the worst problems with the new craze, duragesic fentanyl, not that this is trump's fault; thank Goidness that **** wasn't around when I was a kid ;

 

[Mycroft]

Very true, but now that Trump won and the Republicans control everything, we can all see how incompetent the Repubs are and what kind of a person Trump really is.

The rocks have been turned over, and I thank Trump for that. Unfortunately for Trump, one of those rocks was Trump himself.

Not true. Trump has been doing great IN SPITE of the GOP Elite/Establishment opposition.

If those guys actually did what they promised their voters, Trump would be doing even better.