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Is This The End? Trump Suborned Perjury With Michael Cohen's Testimony to Congress

Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'm just saying that, from a personal point of view, having been around a ton of religious fundies and speaking as a recovering drug addict, that I see the exact same mechanism at work in all three.

Trumpism looks and sounds like religious fundamentalism and religious fundamentalists act like drug addicts, which is also precisely why so many addicts TURN TO a fundamentalist version of a religion. They trade one addiction for another.
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Yep, and there's a huge attendant danger. Remember the old Voltaire quote?

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities”

It's true of course, and scary as hell.
 
It’s going to take several more months, but the end is near. And Donald has done way worse things than just suborning perjury.

February 7th, when Cohen testifies in front of the House Committee Oversight Committee is going to be very informative.

Oh, and Mueller knows everything.


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AlbqOwl said:
The reporter is also citing anonymous sources, as usual, and has acknowledged that he hasn't seen the actual document that would substantiate this. Which leaves open the broad possibility that this is another manufactured fake news story as all of these kinds of things have been so far.

If true it is a serious problem for the President.

If not true it exposes more of the dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption of the mainstream media.
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Well, that is not entirely accurate. The reporter(s) is using sources on deep background. But they are not anonymous to him/them. Both reporters are very well regarded and recognized for their investigative journalism, accuracy, and exposure. Also, both reporters this morning have come out and state that they stand behind their reporting 100%, with Leopold admitting that he has personally seen copies of some of the corroborating evidence that the SCO possesses.

So this presumption of there being an "open broad possibility of a manufactured story" is in all likelihood not. Furthermore, the suggestion that "all of these kinds of things have been so far" is horribly inaccurate. All that we have learned since the original claims by Team Trump that nary a one of them ever met with a single Russian one single time, has come from advanced reporting of stories that are anything but manufactured. We have progressed all of the way now to the point where Trump's own attorney admits the possibility Trump campaign members "colluded" with Russia, but that only Trump himself did not. None of that reality is manufactured.
 
markjs said:
If Trump visited your house, and crapped in the toilet, but forgot to flush, you'd save the "trophy" wouldn't you?:roll:
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Probably have it bronzed...

Well wait in retrospect that would be such a poinent souvenir of trumps presidency it probably would end up in the Smithsonian...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The demorats are no different with the possible exception of having a POTUS come out of nowhere (never held elective office before) and utter, often disconnected and contradictory, sentence fragments as if they, somehow, clearly defined policy positions.
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Very likely true. However, that is one massive difference and distinction.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Mueller does not leak, so no. We don't know what he knows.

I know the reporting and I know the veracity of the claims. I couple that with my knowledge of the investigative journalists and their reputations, and I make an educated observation. Do you do it differently?
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Yes. I wait for facts.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Perhaps. But we have little to compare with, as the Democratic Party has never had someone like Donald Trump as the leader of the party.
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Little to compare with? LOL!!

I think you are putting truth to my Sig.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation





Reporting done by renowned investigative journalist Jason Leopold informs us that Donald Trump personally instructed Cohen to lie to Congress. And this is not just a he said-he said situation. There is corroborating evidence that the SCO possesses that back up and confirm this to be the case. Trump sought to have Cohen suborn perjury in order to obscure his involvement with Russia.

According to Bill Barr, who will likely be the next AG, any effort by a President to suborn perjury is absolutely Obstruction of Justice, as stated in his confirmation hearing.



This is bad. Really, really bad for Trump and his children. It appears as if not only Trump Sr. has committed a High Crime and broken the oath of office, but his adult children are also in serious legal jeopardy as well.

So to all of you Trump supporters, do you care that Trump obstructed justice and ordered his personal attorney to lie to Congress? Is it starting to sink in yet just how much trouble Trump is in? Or how corrupt this man truly is to his core?

And on the heels of this report, the Democratic-led House via the Intelligence Committee and the Judiciary Committee are both launching investigations into this aspect of these revelations. With Mr. Cohen set to publicly testify February 7th, the stakes are as high as ever now for the Criminal-in-Chief.
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Bill Clinton did the same, subornation of perjury, it wasn't his end, why would this be any different ??
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Excellent clarification and correction. Indeed, at this current moment, which is what should be concerning all of us right now.
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Well, for me, the reason WHY I clarified with "right now" is because I remember watching the exodus of the other wings of the Republican Party in 2010, 2014 and 2016.
The first exodus was the so called "liberal" wing of the Republican Party, sometimes known as Eisenhower or Rockefeller Republicans, however it is with no small amount of shock that I also recall Goldwater's 1996 note to Bob Dole, in which he exclaimed, "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?"
Perhaps the first stirrings of what we see now started all the way back then?

Anyway, in 2010, the Tea Party ousted what they liked to term "RINO's" and cast them as traitors, and so the liberal wing of the party were given their walking papers. Then in 2014, the alt-Right began flexing its muscle and together, with the Freedom Caucus, the moderates were cast out.

The last vestiges, or almost the last vestiges, were frog marched out in the 2016 election, although somehow John "Maverick" McCain survived it all and only death itself was able to dislodge him from his seat. However one might also recall that a great many of today's Trump Republicans spat on his grave.

Today, there IS NO Republican Party without absolute and total fealty to Donald Trump. Trump isn't just the face OF the Republican Party, he IS the Republican Party itself.
 
Chomsky said:
Yep, and there's a huge attendant danger. Remember the old Voltaire quote?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities”
It's true of course, and scary as hell.
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It is literally an attack on the foundation of modern civilization.
The Enlightenment era was the advent of exactly that. Reason, which led to freedoms and progress, tolerance, constitutional government, etc. All of it.
The U.S. is founded on Reason. When reason is attacked to this degree, why is it not a risk to national security? As you note, in reality it is, whether it's perceived that way by a majority is irrelevant to that fact.

The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on reason as the primary source of authority and legitimacy and came to advance ideals like liberty, progress, tolerance, fraternity, constitutional government and separation of church and state.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] In France, the central doctrines of the Enlightenment philosophers were individual liberty and religious tolerance, in opposition to an absolute monarchy and the fixed dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church. The Enlightenment was marked by an emphasis on the scientific method and reductionism, along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy—an attitude captured by the phrase Sapere aude, "Dare to know".[SUP][7][/SUP]
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GDViking said:
Probably have it bronzed...

Well wait in retrospect that would be such a poinent souvenir of trumps presidency it probably would end up in the Smithsonian...
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A truly great achievement among so much winning!
 
GDViking said:
Probably have it bronzed...

Well wait in retrospect that would be such a poinent souvenir of trumps presidency it probably would end up in the Smithsonian...
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And when you think about it objectively, of all his "achievements" as president, that would be just about the ONLY one that couldn't have been easier accomplished by another fill in the blank GOP pres.
 
Mach said:
It is literally an attack on the foundation of modern civilization.
The Enlightenment era was the advent of exactly that. Reason, which led to freedoms and progress, tolerance, constitutional government, etc. All of it.
The U.S. is founded on Reason. When reason is attacked to this degree, why is it not a risk to national security? As you note, in reality it is, whether it's perceived that way by a majority is irrelevant to that fact.
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You know, not meant as bragging or espousing that I have some particular skill, but I like thinking in the "big picture" and often I find I'm the guy stepping back to espouse it. But you've really got me, here! Nice work. I never backed-up far enough, to think about it. Well done.
 
hanger4 said:
Bill Clinton did the same, subornation of perjury, it wasn't his end, why would this be any different ??
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Basically although he lied and it was stupid the actions he lied about were not only legal and none of our ****ing business, but had absolutely zero effect on the nation or the efficiency of the president.

In other words that was actually a witch hunt and Clinton did fall into a real perjury trap and Republicans tried their best bring him down over something the country did not care about for the most part.

This is way different, we are dealing with a Russian mobbed up long time criminal who stole an election with the assistance of a foreign power who he has been associated with for fourth years.

See the difference???
 
Ikari said:
I think that even if it is true and is demonstrated, that the Senate wouldn't convict. It's held by the Republicans. You'll need more than perjury to get a conviction.

Though if it is true and is demonstrated, it's going to give a big boost to all the investigations against Trump, and those may dig something up.
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If they didn't remove clinton over perjury they will not remove trump.
 
hanger4 said:
Bill Clinton did the same, subornation of perjury, it wasn't his end, why would this be any different ??
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Clinton was indeed charged, but found not guilty in the Senate. We don't know what the circumstances of this alleged obstruction will bring, though with the current political make-up of the Senate I'd be inclined to agree.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
Very likely true. However, that is one massive difference and distinction.
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Yet that does not indicate the need to ignore precedent or equal treatment under the law. IMHO, the dumbest thing that demorats could do is to impeach Trump when they have the MSM bashing him 24/7 and can continue to lock up and/or publicly humiliate those around him making Trump utter even more foolish (apparently insane?) and plainly untrue stuff.
 
markjs said:
A truly great achievement among so much winning!
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Hey everyone remembers the top ten presidents,

and everyone remembers the bottom three.

Trump has no chance of being the best so he is setting his sites on being so very bad that no o e will ever active the level of failure he has...
 
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