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Yes. This is absolutely racist.
And individual CAN'T be an institutional racist.
They can only be a racist.
If they live in a society that supports racism (institutional racism), they are still racist, but have the protection of a culture that accepts/supports such activities and thoughts.
Both are racism. But the latter is institutionalized racism, which is far worse, for obvious reasons.So, you're equating socially meaningless BS (a minority being a racial bigot) with oppression every day of ones life.
Very nice.
Both are racism. But the latter is institutionalized racism, which is far worse, for obvious reasons.
To me, racial bigotry = racism.Racism is not an individual act. It can only be created by society. "Institutional racism" is the only real racism. Other crap is just bigotry being drummed up as generational oppression.
To me, racial bigotry = racism.
To me, racial bigotry = racism.
In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.
In this case eco is right. A minority that has this historical level of oppression can be called racist and exhibit bigotry, but it doesn't have the same social impact and won't for quite some time.
I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
Racism is not an individual act. It can only be created by society. "Institutional racism" is the only real racism. Other crap is just bigotry being drummed up as generational oppression.
I can see your position, kinda.That plays into racists' narrative that real racism doesn't exist. By equating real oppression with spewing crap, the illusion is created that being a racial bigot in the majority is the same as being a racial bigot in the minority and it is not.
If you can understand that institutional racism is worse, then you can understand that a majority doing it is worse (from a social perspective). So, if a majority doing it is worse... why should we call it the same thing?
The majority doing it wouldn't be worse if there was not systemic unjust discrimination present in the status quo. The denial of that status quo is required to equate the two.
The racists seek to deny the status quo through the equating of racial bigotry by a majority power in systemic discrimination with spewing crap.
Because if what they're doing is just spewing crap, it's not so bad... right?
I've had enough of the equating lifelong oppression with trolling. People need to grow the **** up and see racism for what it really is.
I can see your position, kinda.
On the other hand I wouldn't call trolling racism - the person doing so isn't really racist, they're just...trolling.
As Maggie said that is racist. The only person that will probably disagree is Eco.
thats not his argument at all, his argument is that minorities and or people not in power can NOT be racists. That argument fails and is factually wrong, 10+ definitions prove it wrong and any theory like that is dishonest and mentally inept and gets nothing but laughed at. The fastest way not to be taken seriously on this issue is to say minorities cant be racist lol.
1.)I've heard his argument in context before and I don't believe he's wrong.
2.)Sure, any minority can display traits of racism as a group majority or to varying degrees individually, but it's not always a comparable effect.
3.)What are 10+ definitions?
No.From a social perspective, as opposed to defining everything by the individual, on can see clearly that a minority talking crap is no more significant than trolling and -that- should not be equated with lifelong inescapable oppression.
lol ain't that the truth.
Eco and the dictionary do not see eye to eye on this subject.
No.
Trolling is one thing. Racial bigotry is quite another.
1.) are you suggesting that the 10+ definitions in this thread are wrong
because let me be VERY clear, im only talking about facts and the definition of the word racism/racist.
when asked he said minorities and people not power can NOT be racist. That statement is factually fasle.
and drivel of a different topic about effects/power/impact is 100% meanignless to the words racism/racist.
2.) see you already agree with the facts and disagree with his lies. You just said " any minority can display traits of racism". He disagrees with that fact.
arguments about effect/power/minority/impact all are meaningless to the definition they have zero impact.
if you would like to make statments like if there is only ONE asian guy in a country or 1 million white guys and he doesn't like whites based on race that that has little "impact" I agree but that asian guiy is still 100% racist and id practising racism. THis fact will never change.
3.) they are in the op and thread various times. I personally only posted 10 but other posters also poster more.
A definition of bigotry: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
1.)Does this mean you're displaying bigotry towards me?
2.)You're going to extremes and taking things out of context.
1.)Racial bigotry by a minority is trolling.
2.) It means nothing socially to a white person.
3.) It's not a social threat at all.
4.) But when a white does it, it is a threat because society could get worse for minorities and it's bad enough already.
5.)A black saying they hate whites means nothing to me.
6.) It will never affect my ability to get employment, housing, schooling, justice, etc.
7.) A white saying they hate blacks carries real threat.
I would agree that it's not much of a threat, apart from possibly at an individual level ("I'm going to harm/kill you because you're white", for example).Racial bigotry by a minority is trolling. It means nothing socially to a white person. It's not a social threat at all. But when a white person does it, it is a threat because society could get worse for minorities and it's bad enough already.
A black saying they hate whites means nothing to me. It will never affect my ability to get employment, housing, schooling, justice, etc. A white saying they hate blacks carries real threat.
I rarely see eye-to-eye with those that rely on the dictionary for understanding. It's the most basic explanation of sometimes complicated concepts. Stepping it up to an encyclopedia would be better, getting grad degrees including sociology would make astute understanding even more likely.
But, hey, some are 'dictionary people'. As if others have not read the same. As if the most rudimentary understanding is all that exists. They wish because then there wouldn't be 'stupid'. If a dictionary was all that was required to grasp something, we could all be brilliant.