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Is There Something to Putin Having Blackmail Material on Trump?

Could Russia (Putin) have personally compromising information on Donald Trump?

  • Definately

    Votes: 8 23.5%
  • Definitely not

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 19 55.9%

  • Total voters
    34
Then point them out. Show me where I am wrong concerning my questions regarding Trump, Russian money and Putin. I'd rather know the truth than be wrong. Point out my preconceived notions and tell me how I am wrong.

Ok.

Prove there is something to be concerned about as a result of real estate development President Trump made in Russia.

You haven't, as far as I can tell. I've seen nothing that suggests there is anything to this conjecture the left is floating, yet you seem convinced there is.

Based on what? What do you base your conclusion on? What do you base your suspicion on?
 
If they have **** on Trump, then they have **** on Hillary, Obama, and many others. I wonder when the first blackmail attempt will occur.

It doesn't matter if the Russians have **** on Hillary and Obama and that they even decide to blackmail the two. IT'S TRUMP who is sitting in the most powerful political seat in the world. If he's blackmailed, then we are all being blackmailed proxy the White House.
 
It doesn't matter if the Russians have **** on Hillary and Obama and that they even decide to blackmail the two. IT'S TRUMP who is sitting in the most powerful political seat in the world. If he's blackmailed, then we are all being blackmailed proxy the White House.

Frankly I doubt it. They would have blackmailed Obama first since he and Putin didn't get along at all.
 
Trump is a wealthy American businessman who has negotiated deals worldwide and has global business contacts. He has visited Russia (Moscow/St. Petersburg) many times and his first wife Ivana is a Russian-speaker. It would have been the responsibility of Russia's FSB Security Service to approve all of Trump's visits to Russia, to tail him, and to tap his phones. I would imagine the FSB dossier on Donald Trump is extensive, but it is unknown if it contains compromising materials. Trump does nothing (such as release his tax returns) to dispel notions that he has been compromised. His appointments of pro-Russia advisers like Paul Manafort and Carter Page exacerbate such perceptions, as does Trump's public embrace of the authoritarian and murderous Vladimir Putin.

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Donald and Ivana Trump in Leningrad (St. Petersburg), Russia 1987. Leningrad is the hometown of KGB Colonel Vladimir Putin.
 
Ok.

Prove there is something to be concerned about as a result of real estate development President Trump made in Russia.

You haven't, as far as I can tell. I've seen nothing that suggests there is anything to this conjecture the left is floating, yet you seem convinced there is.

Based on what? What do you base your conclusion on? What do you base your suspicion on?

The following to start with:

Trump and the Khrapunov family

Trump and Tamir Safir

Trump and Tevfic Arif

Bayrock

The Trump Soho fiasco

Felix Sater
 
Don't know (obviously), but probably.

It would surprise me if Putin didn't have compromising dirt on Trump.
 
Trump is damaging relationships with several of our allies including Mexico, Germany and Australia. Several politicians are now scrambling to undo some of the damage. On the other hand, Trump has done nothing but praise Putin, leader of one of our enemies and through back channels is allegedly easing some of the sanctions imposed by Obama for Russia interfering in the presidential election.

Could it be that the unconfirmed reports are true that Russia has compromising information on Trump?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.5b6f7f6e7f9d


Don't know.Its possible, but I don't put much faith in unconfirmed reports by die hard Trump bashers.No one can say yes or no the Russians have compromising information on president Trump.
 
The following to start with:

Trump and the Khrapunov family

Trump and Tamir Safir

Trump and Tevfic Arif

Bayrock

The Trump Soho fiasco

Felix Sater

Oh please. Well, I guess you are entitled to believe what the tabloids feed you.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, and the yarns being spun by the Financial Times and others offer little more than conjecture and assumption.

For an anti-Trump bot, I'm sure they are consumed as designed.
 
Oh please. Well, I guess you are entitled to believe what the tabloids feed you.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, and the yarns being spun by the Financial Times and others offer little more than conjecture and assumption.

For an anti-Trump bot, I'm sure they are consumed as designed.

What tabloid and what conspiracy theory? We can start at the top of my list if you'd like.

Trump and the Khrapunov family. Go.
 
What tabloid and what conspiracy theory? We can start at the top of my list if you'd like.

Trump and the Khrapunov family. Go.

I'll bite! And lookie what I found! Trump?s Ties to Transnational Corruption | The Diplomat

...Per the new report, Trump was involved in real estate dealings involving a network of Kazakhstani individuals entrenched in an alleged money laundering ring. As FT found, “Title deeds, bank records and correspondence show that a Kazakh family accused of laundering hundreds of millions of stolen dollars bought luxury apartments in a Manhattan tower part-owned by Mr Trump and embarked on major business ventures with one of the tycoon’s partners.” ... In this instance, one of Trump’s partners, Bayrock, dealt with the family of the former Almaty mayor, Viktor Khrapunov, in tapping into New York’s real estate market. Trump, meanwhile, licensed his name to the project in question. However, according to Almaty, Khrapunov’s family — including his daughter, Elvira Kudryashova, and his son, Ilyas — are “a key link in the family’s laundering network,”...

I got pages of info googling Trump and the Khrapunov family, whom I personally had never heard of until now!
 
I'll bite! And lookie what I found! Trump?s Ties to Transnational Corruption | The Diplomat

...Per the new report, Trump was involved in real estate dealings involving a network of Kazakhstani individuals entrenched in an alleged money laundering ring. As FT found, “Title deeds, bank records and correspondence show that a Kazakh family accused of laundering hundreds of millions of stolen dollars bought luxury apartments in a Manhattan tower part-owned by Mr Trump and embarked on major business ventures with one of the tycoon’s partners.” ... In this instance, one of Trump’s partners, Bayrock, dealt with the family of the former Almaty mayor, Viktor Khrapunov, in tapping into New York’s real estate market. Trump, meanwhile, licensed his name to the project in question. However, according to Almaty, Khrapunov’s family — including his daughter, Elvira Kudryashova, and his son, Ilyas — are “a key link in the family’s laundering network,”...

I got pages of info googling Trump and the Khrapunov family, whom I personally had never heard of until now!

Good stuff, Di. I have not seen that article before. If Khrapunov leaves Switzerland and is picked up by Interpol it will be interesting to see what he might have to say during his trial.
 
Trump is a wealthy American businessman who has negotiated deals worldwide and has global business contacts. He has visited Russia (Moscow/St. Petersburg) many times and his first wife Ivana is a Russian-speaker. It would have been the responsibility of Russia's FSB Security Service to approve all of Trump's visits to Russia, to tail him, and to tap his phones. I would imagine the FSB dossier on Donald Trump is extensive, but it is unknown if it contains compromising materials. Trump does nothing (such as release his tax returns) to dispel notions that he has been compromised. His appointments of pro-Russia advisers like Paul Manafort and Carter Page exacerbate such perceptions, as does Trump's public embrace of the authoritarian and murderous Vladimir Putin.

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Donald and Ivana Trump in Leningrad (St. Petersburg), Russia 1987. Leningrad is the hometown of KGB Colonel Vladimir Putin.

WOW! Will we me merging countries any time soon?
 
I'll bite! And lookie what I found! Trump?s Ties to Transnational Corruption | The Diplomat

...Per the new report, Trump was involved in real estate dealings involving a network of Kazakhstani individuals entrenched in an alleged money laundering ring. As FT found, “Title deeds, bank records and correspondence show that a Kazakh family accused of laundering hundreds of millions of stolen dollars bought luxury apartments in a Manhattan tower part-owned by Mr Trump and embarked on major business ventures with one of the tycoon’s partners.” ... In this instance, one of Trump’s partners, Bayrock, dealt with the family of the former Almaty mayor, Viktor Khrapunov, in tapping into New York’s real estate market. Trump, meanwhile, licensed his name to the project in question. However, according to Almaty, Khrapunov’s family — including his daughter, Elvira Kudryashova, and his son, Ilyas — are “a key link in the family’s laundering network,”...

I got pages of info googling Trump and the Khrapunov family, whom I personally had never heard of until now!

I always find that once somebody posts something very damaging to Trump, the thread dies. Good job!
 
What tabloid and what conspiracy theory? We can start at the top of my list if you'd like.

Trump and the Khrapunov family. Go.

You mean the alleged money launderers?

Please post proof President Trump was personally involved in illegal deals the Khrapunov family is allegedly involved with.

For example, from the FT.

https://www.ft.com/content/33285dfa-9231-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923

A Financial Times investigation has found evidence that one Trump venture has multiple ties to an alleged international money laundering network. Title deeds, bank records and correspondence show that a Kazakh family accused of laundering hundreds of millions of stolen dollars bought luxury apartments in a Manhattan tower part-owned by Mr Trump and embarked on major business ventures with one of the tycoon’s partners.​

So we have "alledged", "part owned", and "one of the tycoon's partners".

Where is the direct connection? Where is the proof?

The left seeks to destroy President Trump. In partnership with it's MSM partners, the liberal/socialist progressive machine has done everything in it's power in order to achieve that mission. This even includes lies, slander, and total fabrication of events and connections.

Outside of the smear tactics they hope people on the left pickup and spread, where is the proof? Do you have any idea how much money is being spent by the liberal/socialist progressive machine to try and destroy President Trump?

Has anything but conspiracies and laughable conjecture come from it?

I have no interest, nor desire, to invest the time and energy to go accusation by accusation you have been presented by the Machine that feeds your need to believe.

Perhaps you time would be better spent among like minded hacks who can slap each on the back in mutual agreement.
 
Has anything but conspiracies and laughable conjecture come from it?
Trump himself had the capability to better insulate himself from conjecture. One method would have been to release his tax returns for the past decade. Trump refused to implement this simple methodology, opting instead for concealment. Trump is self-vulnerable to a court ruling that he is violating the Emoluments Clause and a civil lawsuit has been filed.

In addition, Trump has neither divested himself of his global empire, nor has Trump set up a true blind-trust to manage his empire and insulate his presidency from conflict-of-interest situations/charges. Donald Trump has retained financial ownership of the Trump Organization empire and has appointed his older sons to manage this empire on a daily basis. Trump also appointed these same older sons as White House advisers. A true blind-trust manager should never have a familial relationship with the trust principal, and ALL principal/manager communication must totally cease when the trust is activated. As is obvious, Trump's [bogus] setup is not a true blind-trust and does nothing to insulate him from conflict-of-interest perceptions/charges.

Many of Trump's conjecture vulnerabilities are self-inflicted and originate with Trump himself.
 
Trump himself had the capability to better insulate himself from conjecture. One method would have been to release his tax returns for the past decade. Trump refused to implement this simple methodology, opting instead for concealment. Trump is self-vulnerable to a court ruling that he is violating the Emoluments Clause and a civil lawsuit has been filed.

In addition, Trump has neither divested himself of his global empire, nor has Trump set up a true blind-trust to manage his empire and insulate his presidency from conflict-of-interest situations/charges. Donald Trump has retained financial ownership of the Trump Organization empire and has appointed his older sons to manage this empire on a daily basis. Trump also appointed these same older sons as White House advisers. A true blind-trust manager should never have a familial relationship with the trust principal, and ALL principal/manager communication must totally cease when the trust is activated. As is obvious, Trump's [bogus] setup is not a true blind-trust and does nothing to insulate him from conflict-of-interest perceptions/charges.

Many of Trump's conjecture vulnerabilities are self-inflicted and originate with Trump himself.

Tax returns. The interesting revelation regarding Trumps Tax Returns is the remarkable number of people who have no clue what a tax return contains.

Trump has divested himself from the activates of his business. According to reports, he has divested himself from investments in the stock market. Do you think, under the obsessed eye of the left's MSM President Trump could possibly get away with anything? He's been in office a couple of weeks, and transcripts of private phone conversations have leaked.

As to conjecture vulnerabilities, they are not self inflicted, they are created out of thin air by a biased and alarmingly fraudulent MSM desperate to return to the ideological agenda they believe they have a duty to promote.
 
Trump could have immensely minimized his conjecture/conflict problems with methodologies used by all senior-level Washington officials for the past ~40 years.

Trump opted for concealment and obfuscation instead. Accordingly, I have zero sympathy for Trump's self-inflicted conjecture and conflict-of-interest woes.
 
You mean the alleged money launderers?

Please post proof President Trump was personally involved in illegal deals the Khrapunov family is allegedly involved with.

For example, from the FT.

https://www.ft.com/content/33285dfa-9231-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923

A Financial Times investigation has found evidence that one Trump venture has multiple ties to an alleged international money laundering network. Title deeds, bank records and correspondence show that a Kazakh family accused of laundering hundreds of millions of stolen dollars bought luxury apartments in a Manhattan tower part-owned by Mr Trump and embarked on major business ventures with one of the tycoon’s partners.​

So we have "alledged", "part owned", and "one of the tycoon's partners".

Where is the direct connection? Where is the proof?

Indeed, "alleged, "part owned" "one of the tycoon's partners". There acres of smoke, maybe even a flickering flame but we don't yet see the fire. If you will carefully review my posts in this thread you will notice that you somehow missed the fact that I never said Trump was guilty. My premise is that given what we know Trump's connection to the Russian crime lords, oligarchs and Vladimir Putin warrant serious concern that Trump is being/will be blackmailed by Putin. That ironically is the topic of the OP. Weird, innit?

You are apparently saying you see no reason for concern.

The left seeks to destroy President Trump.

Yes, I think they do along with most of the known world and the majority of the population of the United States including members of the GOP.

In partnership with it's MSM partners, the liberal/socialist progressive machine has done everything in it's power in order to achieve that mission. This even includes lies, slander, and total fabrication of events and connections.

You've lost me on this ^^^^^ regarding lies - relating to the discussion at hand - which lies, what specific slander, and what specific fabrication of events and connections?

Outside of the smear tactics they hope people on the left pickup and spread, where is the proof?

Just so that we are on the same page, what smear tactics are you referring?

Yes, where is the proof? Here's a hint for you: We might begin to know once Trump releases his financials, his taxes. Which he refuses to do.

Do you have any idea how much money is being spent by the liberal/socialist progressive machine to try and destroy President Trump?

No, I don't. How much?

How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?

Has anything but conspiracies and laughable conjecture come from it?

You don't want to know the truth? You don't want to know if Trump is owned by Putin? That doesn't matter to you? No one I have seen thinks this is a laughing matter.

I have no interest, nor desire, to invest the time and energy to go accusation by accusation you have been presented by the Machine that feeds your need to believe.

And you will only be concerned when Fox, Brietbart and WND tell you to be?

Perhaps you time would be better spent among like minded hacks who can slap each on the back in mutual agreement.

Agreement that Trump must provide his tax returns and related information. Agreement that the facts we know are that Trump has had catastrophic money issues and may still face them today. Agreement that Russian criminals came to his rescue and bailed Trump out when given Trump's shaky business decisions, his credit history, his very limited partnerships in his real estate holdings no one would lend Trump any money. That some of Trump's "business associates" were/are Russian criminals convicted of and/or wanted for money laundering. Agreement that Trump Soho and the history behind it is a red flag.

Yeah, it seems that some of us agree that those are issues of serious concern and that we would like to have answers.
 
Indeed, "alleged, "part owned" "one of the tycoon's partners". There acres of smoke, maybe even a flickering flame but we don't yet see the fire. If you will carefully review my posts in this thread you will notice that you somehow missed the fact that I never said Trump was guilty. My premise is that given what we know Trump's connection to the Russian crime lords, oligarchs and Vladimir Putin warrant serious concern that Trump is being/will be blackmailed by Putin. That ironically is the topic of the OP. Weird, innit?

You are apparently saying you see no reason for concern.



Yes, I think they do along with most of the known world and the majority of the population of the United States including members of the GOP.



You've lost me on this ^^^^^ regarding lies - relating to the discussion at hand - which lies, what specific slander, and what specific fabrication of events and connections?



Just so that we are on the same page, what smear tactics are you referring?

Yes, where is the proof? Here's a hint for you: We might begin to know once Trump releases his financials, his taxes. Which he refuses to do.



No, I don't. How much?

How is that relevant to the discussion at hand?



You don't want to know the truth? You don't want to know if Trump is owned by Putin? That doesn't matter to you? No one I have seen thinks this is a laughing matter.



And you will only be concerned when Fox, Brietbart and WND tell you to be?

(Sorry, I kind of jacked up the reply)

You see, you erase your credibility with this infantile Breitbart, Fox, blather.

As I wrote, I'm not one to clamp on to conspiracy theories in order to feed my bias.

As such, conjecture and assumption don't play much a role in my life.

At the end of the day, I'm not handicapped by excessive emotionalism, which is always at the foundation of the effort the left's MSM tries to tap into among it's acolytes.
 
(Sorry, I kind of jacked up the reply)

You see, you erase your credibility with this infantile Breitbart, Fox, blather.

As I wrote, I'm not one to clamp on to conspiracy theories in order to feed my bias.

As such, conjecture and assumption don't play much a role in my life.

At the end of the day, I'm not handicapped by excessive emotionalism, which is always at the foundation of the effort the left's MSM tries to tap into among it's acolytes.

What conspiracy theory? Flesh that out for me. What have I posted that is conspiracy theory? I continue to ask for you to be specific. Show me where I am wrong.
 
Trump has divested himself from the activates of his business. According to reports, he has divested himself from investments in the stock market.

As to conjecture vulnerabilities, they are not self inflicted, they are created out of thin air by a biased and alarmingly fraudulent MSM desperate to return to the ideological agenda they believe they have a duty to promote.

It seems your SOP is never to provide sources. What I am getting from you is pap and blather. Stop whining about MSM. Give your me sources. Here are a few you can borrow:

Conflicts

of

Interest
 
What conspiracy theory? Flesh that out for me. What have I posted that is conspiracy theory? I continue to ask for you to be specific. Show me where I am wrong.

You're joking, right?

You've admitted there is nothing but conjecture and assumptions driven by a biased media attempting to draw conclusions that have no basis in fact, or reality.

What do you think a conspiracy is?

Perhaps less time on CNN, or HuffPo, or WaPo would keep your brain less muddled by fake news.
 
I must have missed it - Did Russia recently pull out of their invasion of Crimea? Are the intelligence agencies wrong about Russia interfering in the recent election? What entitles Russia to our loosening sanctions and praising Putin?

Is China backing out of building and arming artificial islands to claim vast swaths of the South China sea? Did Obama expel any Chinese ambassadors after they hacked millions of personal information of those holding security clearances? No? Why not? I mean, this is significantly more worrisome than Russia ensuring they keep a strategic naval base or hacking the emails of a private political club.
 
It seems your SOP is never to provide sources. What I am getting from you is pap and blather. Stop whining about MSM. Give your me sources. Here are a few you can borrow:

Conflicts

of

Interest

Do you know what a revocable trust is?

What's with you folks? It always the same accusations. "You never provide blah, blah, blah."
 
You're joking, right?

You've admitted there is nothing but conjecture and assumptions driven by a biased media attempting to draw conclusions that have no basis in fact, or reality.

Nope, I never said nor have I ever admitted that there is nothing but conjecture and assumptions. Let's take the Financial Times. They "drew conclusions and had no basis in fact" in their reporting? Show me.

What do you think a conspiracy is?

You are the one who brought conspiracy into this. I asked you to give me examples with sources....tick tock.

Perhaps less time on CNN, or HuffPo, or WaPo would keep your brain less muddled by fake news.

Examples of CNN, HuffPo and WaPo and fake news regarding Trump and Russian money - bring it.
 
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