Is the new Joker movie dangerous?

[marke]

(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up)

There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out. Before I get the 'yes or no' answers, let me run down the background of this movie:

-This is an origin movie of Batman's top villain, the Joker, and how it shows the man's descent into madness

-2 trailers are up to watch, along with some TV spots, receiving overwhelming positive responses from people who have watched the trailers

-The movie won the Venice Film Festival's top award (it had an 8 min standing ovation after it's showing) and rumors have been swirling that it's Oscar worthy (both the movie and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker)

-It's expected to have a $90 million opening weekend (October 4th)

-It has received mostly positive reviews by critics, but the ones that have reviewed it negatively are saying the movie could inspire single white males to cause great acts of violence

-Joaquin Phoenix walked out during an interview after being asked if the movie inspires violence (but he did go back)

-Aurora victims (supposedly it's them, we don't know) wrote a complaint to Warner Bros. about the movie being dangerous

I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?

Anything which glorifies violence and wickedness and inspires evil in children is very bad.

 

[ajn678]

Anything which glorifies violence and wickedness and inspires evil in children is very bad.

Sounds like The Old Testament.

 

[Masterhawk]

why so serious

 

[Herkamer63]

It is a movie... 12 Years a Slave could be dangerous... Malcolm X (w/Denzel) could be dangerous... lots of movies could be dangerous...

TO

Crazy ****s that are demented enough to be violent in the first place... these ****ers don't need the Joker or a theme... they are already dangerous and blaming movies or video games is what ignorant people do... violence is a part of the world. The Joker is a madman, yet kinda poetically a visionary too...

I agree. There are things out there that I think, that are not movies, that are actually dangerous. How about these people who ate Tide Pods as part of a challenge, or if anyone remembers the Knock Out Game, where these teenagers went around and sucker punch people in the head? The people who went to grocery stores and opened containers of ice cream, lick the ice cream, then put the lid back on and put it back? How do we know they don't have some kind of disease(s)? Is that not dangerous? I guess while we're on this subject, what about the Momo game where kids end up hurt or dead? The point is the difference between these things listed and the Joker movie is they had happened and there will be similar events, while the Joker movie is a FICTIONAL movie set in a FICTIONAL town with a FICTIONAL story about a FICTIONAL (comic book) character. I know it's been said a lot lately and may sound cliched at this point, but if someone(s) was truly inspired by a movie that's a work of FICTION to commit terrible acts of violence, these people had problems to begin with.

 

[Bodi]

But you didn’t...did you?

I'll get back to you on that... I just bought Shazam! and am about to watch it.

 

[Bodi]

Probably no more dangerous than letting millions of 12 year olds play a video game where the primary objective is to murder other people for no apparent reason.

Those games are keeping our incarceration rates down...

 

[Noodlegawd]

Those games are keeping our incarceration rates down...

So would legalizing heroin and rape.

 

[Bodi]

So would legalizing heroin and rape.

I am not sure that violent video games are analogous to that... at all.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

I mean, I can get having sensitivities and all, but, well, I think Joaquin said it best, it really isn’t Hollywood’s job to teach humans about morality.

 

[Cardinal]

I'll get back to you on that... I just bought Shazam! and am about to watch it.

Shazam was good...........................................for a DC movie.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

Shazam was good...........................................for a DC movie.

Wonderwoman was better than Thor the Dark world and Iron Man 3

Suicide Squad as a movie sucked but had great parts to it (bad direction)

 

[Cardinal]

Wonderwoman was better than Thor the Dark world and Iron Man 3

Suicide Squad as a movie sucked but had great parts to it (bad direction)

It's not difficult to make a movie that's better than Thor 2 (or, for that matter, Thor 1). Iron Man 3 was decent. Suicide Squad was unwatchable.

Percentage-wise, there are as many bad MCU movies as there are good DC good movies.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

It's not difficult to make a movie that's better than Thor 2 (or, for that matter, Thor 1). Iron Man 3 was decent. Suicide Squad was unwatchable.

Percentage-wise, there are as many bad MCU movies as there are good DC good movies.

There have only been what 6 DCU movies (BVS, Justice League 1 and, Wonderwoman, Suicide Squad and Aquaman) a 2 out the 6 I believe have been seen as quite good (WW and Waterboy)

None of course compare to the first two Chris Noth Batman movies

 

[jet57]

(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up)

There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out. Before I get the 'yes or no' answers, let me run down the background of this movie:

-This is an origin movie of Batman's top villain, the Joker, and how it shows the man's descent into madness

-2 trailers are up to watch, along with some TV spots, receiving overwhelming positive responses from people who have watched the trailers

-The movie won the Venice Film Festival's top award (it had an 8 min standing ovation after it's showing) and rumors have been swirling that it's Oscar worthy (both the movie and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker)

-It's expected to have a $90 million opening weekend (October 4th)

-It has received mostly positive reviews by critics, but the ones that have reviewed it negatively are saying the movie could inspire single white males to cause great acts of violence

-Joaquin Phoenix walked out during an interview after being asked if the movie inspires violence (but he did go back)

-Aurora victims (supposedly it's them, we don't know) wrote a complaint to Warner Bros. about the movie being dangerous

I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?

Is the new Joker movie dangerous?

No; it's being well publicized.

 

[Waddy]

Maybe it delves into some dark psychology, perhaps it cuts a bit close to home for a lot of people, but ultimately this is a morality play.

We know the Joker to be a villain. We can sympathize with his legitimate struggle without justifying his later violence.

It's nice to know you have the emotional and intellectual capacity to compartmentalize this film in a healthy manner; but I wonder how it will effect that emotionally unstable 16 year old who has been desensitized to killing by video games, and who can get access to his parents guns?

The Columbine killers said The Basketball Diaries was their inspiration.

 

[WillyPete]

It's nice to know you have the emotional and intellectual capacity to compartmentalize this film in a healthy manner; but I wonder how it will effect that emotionally unstable 16 year old who has been desensitized to killing by video games, and who can get access to his parents guns?

The Columbine killers said The Basketball Diaries was their inspiration.

That's sort of a trick question, isn't it? When you've got a head full crazy ideas, something's going to set you off.

What do you propose, anyhow?

 

[Frigidweirdo]

(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up)

There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out. Before I get the 'yes or no' answers, let me run down the background of this movie:

-This is an origin movie of Batman's top villain, the Joker, and how it shows the man's descent into madness

-2 trailers are up to watch, along with some TV spots, receiving overwhelming positive responses from people who have watched the trailers

-The movie won the Venice Film Festival's top award (it had an 8 min standing ovation after it's showing) and rumors have been swirling that it's Oscar worthy (both the movie and Joaquin Phoenix as the Joker)

-It's expected to have a $90 million opening weekend (October 4th)

-It has received mostly positive reviews by critics, but the ones that have reviewed it negatively are saying the movie could inspire single white males to cause great acts of violence

-Joaquin Phoenix walked out during an interview after being asked if the movie inspires violence (but he did go back)

-Aurora victims (supposedly it's them, we don't know) wrote a complaint to Warner Bros. about the movie being dangerous

I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?

Lots of things are dangerous.

I've been reading a book about the Columbine High School massacre, and Eric seemed to have hated people. So, people made him angry. So, people are dangerous, we should ban them.

 

[Waddy]

That's sort of a trick question, isn't it? When you've got a head full crazy ideas, something's going to set you off.

What do you propose, anyhow?

Maybe tone down the violence in movies and video games for a start. The fact that most movies are violent, and usually gun violence, just shows a lack of creativity on the part of Hollywood writers. Their go-to is always make it as violent as possible. People have been conditioned to violence over time. Don't say that's not so; a movie or a video game is a form of advertising, in this case advertising and glorifying guns. We all know advertising works; that's why they spend millions and millions a year on it.

 

[Waddy]

Lots of things are dangerous.

I've been reading a book about the Columbine High School massacre, and Eric seemed to have hated people. So, people made him angry. So, people are dangerous, we should ban them.

He was also fascinated by the movies Natural Born Killers and Basketball Diaries. In the latter movie the main character, wearing a black trench cost, shoots up his high school. Sound familiar? Most kids can handle violent video games and violent movies, but some who already have a predisposition to violence and hate people, who are unstable already, just need that extra sensory input to push them over the edge.

You see the same thing in popular music; calling women bitches and whores, degrading them at every turn, doesn't do much good for the image young men form about women, especially young men who have no fathers or good male role models around to teach them any different.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

He was also fascinated by the movies Natural Born Killers and Basketball Diaries. In the latter movie the main character, wearing a black trench cost, shoots up his high school. Sound familiar? Most kids can handle violent video games and violent movies, but some who already have a predisposition to violence and hate people, who are unstable already, just need that extra sensory input to push them over the edge.

You see the same thing in popular music; calling women bitches and whores, degrading them at every turn, doesn't do much good for the image young men form about women, especially young men who have no fathers or good male role models around to teach them any different.

Yes, it's very easy to make links between things. Perhaps he just thought trench coats were cool for other reasons.

Now, Eric was a psychopath. Chances are he'd have ended up killing people no matter what. The author of the book basically pointed toward Eric killing those kids then, or going around killing them when he was older. Did those movies make him shoot those kids up?

 

[Hondo]

(I don't know if the poll is up or not, and I apologize if it isn't, but just respond yes or no if it didn't come up) ...

... There's been a lot of controversy lately regarding the new Joker movie coming out ... I encourage anyone to read up on this movie. If you ask me what I think of this movie, my answer is this will possibly the best movie this year and, no, it isn't dangerous. But either way, what do you think?

John Wayne expressed concern about Hollywood's burgeoning love affair with the anti-hero and criminal protagonist during his 1971 interview with Playboy. He cautioned that the message a film sends can influence or corrupt young minds. He's not wrong. Film is one of the most powerful influencers.

The Town inspired copycat criminals to commit 62 robberies with $217,000 stolen from NYC businesses.
Project X led to teen parties involving fatalities.
Scream led to a planned copycat murder of a girl.
Fight Club influenced copycat bombings of NYC businesses.
Someone tried to emulate the robbery scene in Money Train with lighter fluid.
Saw found a mother turning in her son and his friend when she heard them planning to torture and kill people.
Backdraft led to arson.
Interview with a Vampire helped grow the vampire blood drinking movement and led to a crime.
First Blood created several copy cats.
Of course, The Dark Knight was blamed for the Aurora shooting.

Saw inspired me to create an underwater haunted shipwreck one Halloween. Dutch Springs is a recreational diving park in Bethlehem, PA. The intentionally sunk wreck of the Comet in 60 feet of water was the perfect 20 minutes of torture. The cave diving classes I ran involved incredibly intense training. I decided to give recreational divers the kid gloves version combined with underwater jump scares and some Saw-like experiences. I replaced the plastic line arrows we use to find our way in caves with shurikens/ninja stars so divers would be feeling sharp edges on their way along a guideline with their masks off in touch contact while sharing air. When they reached the end of the line, we would handcuff one diver to the wreck with metal prop cuffs. The 3 person team we escorted would get their masks back only to find one diver cuffed to a metal railing with a slate that said, "Find key." The key was located in a Jack-O-Lantern filled with the small cyalume/chemical light sticks that could feel like syringes and make the pumpkin glow. After other scary drills and experiences, the team ascended to 15 feet to practice a 3 minute safety deco stop. We released a 12 foot tall Grim Reaper by launching it from the stern right up through the team where it stopped at their depth due to the length of line to which it was attached. A 100 lb. lift bag was used to give it buoyancy. We charged $20 per person for 30 minutes of "tech/cave" diver training in a haunted environment. The divers had a blast. My guys wore costumes over the gear. I was dressed like an evil monk with a pitchfork and I wore a caged Halloween mask over my diving mask.

Horror and crime movies can inspire some of us to copy the bad things, while most of us learn the lesson the film attempts to teach or turns something terrible into something fun for Halloween. Movies, like guns, are not bad in themselves. I think movies can be more powerful. A gun sitting on a rack is just a piece of metal. What influences someone to use it for harm is another matter. I believe in freedom of speech, expression, art, and the 2nd Amendment. There are risks to making movies that glorify bad guys. I don't have a problem with it. I think Hollywood needs to honestly look at their culpability in crimes before actors such as Liam Neeson tell gun owners they are the problem. I voted, "No," it's not dangerous.

10 Movies That Inspired Real-Life Crimes - Listverse

 

[Waddy]

Yes, it's very easy to make links between things. Perhaps he just thought trench coats were cool for other reasons.

Now, Eric was a psychopath. Chances are he'd have ended up killing people no matter what. The author of the book basically pointed toward Eric killing those kids then, or going around killing them when he was older. Did those movies make him shoot those kids up?

They were an influence, not the only cause. The trench coat idea is straight from the movie. I don't believe in coincidence.

 

[Roadvirus]

Yes. The movie is dangerous

The last thing we need is for something to inspire a walking time bomb.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

They were an influence, not the only cause. The trench coat idea is straight from the movie. I don't believe in coincidence.

Yes, an influence, maybe like 0.00001% of an influence.

Should we ban everything that might be an influence? I mean, serial killers existed in the past, before mass media and the like too. What should they have banned?

 

[The Mark]

I tend to think there's no such thing as a dangerous movie, show, or other entertainment.

But that is too absolute.
It really depends on the movie and the person(s) watching it.

More the people than the movie, IMO.

You have to be able to separate entertainment from reality.