Is the Bladensburg Cross Unconstitutional?

[James972]

I haven't forgotten that you never - never - ever - have the slightest idea what the hell you're talking about, and this time is no exception.

so as a liberal you feel the cross did establish a religion?? which one, where?? I wonder the liberal why you forgot to say?

 

[Somerville]

apparently, liberals destroyed the God that might have prevented all the school shootings. Do you understand?

Oh, jimmy, you know so much. Please, please can you tell this poor atheist, socialist, gay loving person how the evil libruls destroyed the God?

 

[James972]

We are a common law nation, where judicial rulings set precedent and the law.
"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa."
That is the precedent and the law.

I doubt you understand.

there is no law to prevent conservative intellectuals from reading the Constitution directly to mean what genius founders wrote. The cross did not establish a state religion. If it did after 100 years which one, where? See how easily a liberal is defeated? Actually, liberals hate religion because they hate morality.

 

[Daisy]

apparently, liberals destroyed the God that might have prevented all the school shootings. Do you understand?

Who do you think is controlling our world right now? I'll give you a clue...it ain't God...do you understand God will not step in to intervene in human affairs controlled by Satan until Armageddon?

"We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." 1 John 5:19

 

[pinqy]

there is no law to prevent conservative intellectuals from reading the Constitution directly to mean what genius founders wrote. The cross did not establish a state religion. If it did after 100 years which one, where? See how easily a liberal is defeated? Actually, liberals hate religion because they hate morality.

Look up the difference between common law and statutory law. Judicial rulings determine the law and deck e the constitution. You seem to be under the impression that we the French legal system.

 

[mike2810]

More probable is fear of consequences if they spoke out.


The plaintiffs have actually stated that they do not wish to see the monument destroyed and would like to see it placed on privately-owned land where it can still be seen by the public. The problem at this time is its location in a small traffic circle. The location may not be able to be sold to a private group owing to state laws governing the marginal areas of public roads and streets. Here in Maine, a two-lane road outside of residential areas has a 10 ft boundary from the edge of paving, a space that the local county or municipality must maintain, keeping it clear of tree growth and any obstructions.

imo, it should remain where it is. Land status is not that important to me. I see no problem with the monument.

 

[James972]

Oh, jimmy, you know so much. Please, please can you tell this poor atheist, socialist, gay loving person how the evil libruls destroyed the God?

are you kidding? read this thread and many others. LIberals are devoted to killing off our Christian God! I must have 1000 post debating liberals who despise God and his traditional morality. who do you think is going to vote to take down cross?? liberals or conservatives

 

[James972]

imo, it should remain where it is. Land status is not that important to me. I see no problem with the monument.

apparently its been there 100 years and somehow has established 100 religions although no one will tell me which ones and where they are.

 

[Somerville]

are you kidding? read this thread and many others. LIberals are devoted to killing off our Christian God! I must have 1000 post debating liberals who despise God and his traditional morality. who do you think is going to vote to take down cross?? liberals or conservatives

jimmy -- sadly this time as with all the others, you are a failure as a teacher. No. 1 - You don't 'debate', you state your beliefs in brief and often ungrammatical phrases and No. 2 - when you are shown to be wrong, you refuse to accept the reality and continue on until your debate opponents just walk away.

 

[James972]

jimmy -- sadly this time as with all the others, you are a failure as a teacher. No. 1 - You don't 'debate', you state your beliefs in brief and often ungrammatical phrases and No. 2 - when you are shown to be wrong, you refuse to accept the reality and continue on until your debate opponents just walk away.

for 3rd time: who does the liberal think is going to vote to take down cross?? liberals or conservatives???? How will you learn if you cant face such mistakes?

 

[Somerville]

for 3rd time: who does the liberal think is going to vote to take down cross?? liberals or conservatives???? How will you learn if you cant face such mistakes?

The "vote" will be taken by nine people. They are known as the Justices of the Supreme Court. Will they allow their religious beliefs to overrule precedent in regards to the state supporting a specific religion? What mistakes?

 

[jet57]

so as a liberal you feel the cross did establish a religion?? which one, where?? I wonder the liberal why you forgot to say?

I wonder the liberal why you forgot to say?

I was right.

 

[Somerville]

I noted in my previous comment that nine people will decide the fate of the Bladensburg Cross. After posting the comment I found an opinion piece on the WaPost website that I think is a good summary of the situation.

The Supreme Court’s Peace Cross case highlights a deeper question about religion

n the case of the Peace Cross in Bladensburg, Md., the ostensible issue for the Supreme Court is whether the Constitution permits a local government to maintain a 40-foot World War I memorial in the shape of the Latin cross on public property, or whether this violates the First Amendment clause prohibiting the establishment of an official religion.

The deeper question is the long-term status of publicly supported religious symbolism — everything from the Peace Cross to “In God We Trust” on coins — in a nation that is rapidly becoming less and less religious.

And on that point, there may be nothing the court can do to stop or even slow the trend. Across the industrialized world, people are losing interest in traditional religion.

WHY are people losing interest in religion? Political scientist Ronald F. Inglehart, . . . has studied the subject for years and has published one popular-level book about the growing trend toward secularization.

Social scientists have long identified secularization as a consequence of economic modernization, (. . .) Inglehart, professor emeritus of the University of Michigan, who has, over decades, assembled a vast quantity of international survey data to support that proposition.

A decline in traditional faith reflects the broader “cultural evolution” that accompanies generations of growing prosperity and technological advancement, Inglehart argues.

As poverty recedes and survival becomes less uncertain, people simply have more time and inclination to think for themselves about life’s big questions. Spirituality does not die out but rather takes “individually flexible forms,” as Inglehart puts it. Inhabitants of advanced industrial societies “tend to become less obedient to traditional religious leaders and institutions, and less inclined to engage in religious activities,” Inglehart writes in his 2018 book, “Cultural Evolution.”

So -- how will the justices decide this specific case?

There are any number of ways the justices could rationalize maintaining this giant symbol of a particular religion on public property; the cross’s relationship to a secular purpose, memorializing American war dead, is probably the most persuasive. It’s doubtful, though, that such a precedent, once established, would endure forever. Nothing does.

 

[mike2810]

The "vote" will be taken by nine people. They are known as the Justices of the Supreme Court. Will they allow their religious beliefs to overrule precedent in regards to the state supporting a specific religion? What mistakes?

Are you in favor or against the "cross" staying on public land?
Your posts explain the SC will decide the issue is understood. Give us your opinion.

 

[Somerville]

Are you in favor or against the "cross" staying on public land?
Your posts explain the SC will decide the issue is understood. Give us your opinion.

I think it should be moved but I doubt that it will be shifted to private property.

There are any number of ways the justices could rationalize maintaining this giant symbol of a particular religion on public property; the cross’s relationship to a secular purpose, memorializing American war dead, is probably the most persuasive. It’s doubtful, though, that such a precedent, once established, would endure forever. Nothing does.

 

[mike2810]

I think it should be moved but I doubt that it will be shifted to private property.

Thanks for the response.

Why does it bother you to the point you want it removed? How does it hurt or offend you personally?

 

[James972]

Thanks for the response.

Why does it bother you to the point you want it removed? How does it hurt or offend you personally?

well, it's been there for 100 years and it has established an oppressive state religion just as our Founders feared!

 

[James972]

What mistakes?

You said liberals and conservatives were equal when it is liberals who are attacking Christianity, the source of our morality.

 

[James972]

jimmy -- sadly this time as with all the others, you are a failure as a teacher. No. 1 - You don't 'debate', you state your beliefs in brief and often ungrammatical phrases and No. 2 - when you are shown to be wrong, you refuse to accept the reality and continue on until your debate opponents just walk away.

cut the BS- if you have an objection to conservatism tell us what it is or admit your personal attacks represent the extent of your liberal ability

 

[James972]

I was right.

so as a liberal you feel the cross did establish a religion? which one, where?? I wonder why the liberal forgot to say?

 

[James972]

“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

Great that Madison was trying to achieve greater purity of religion while modern liberals want to destroy religion, the source of our morality.

 

[Cordelier]

Great that Madison was trying to achieve greater purity of religion while modern liberals want to destroy religion, the source of our morality.

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death." --- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, 1930

 

[James972]

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary.

should is key word. schools shooters had no ethical behavior and liberals must now take responsibility for what they have done.

 

[Cordelier]

should is key word. schools shooters had no ethical behavior and liberals must now take responsibility for what they have done.

I fail to comprehend the logic behind this line of reasoning.

 

[James972]

I fail to comprehend the logic behind this line of reasoning.

liberals killed school shooters God/morality and now must take responsibility for what they have done