Is sex reassignment surgery (SRS) plastic surgery?

[WCH]

Oh OK, so transsexuals, some of whom are deployed in combat right now, are just like male prostitutes. Wow...

Also, how have you known all these male prostitutes in the past?

They were my pot connection. All of them had one goal in life...becoming a woman.

How many do you know? [transsexuals etc]

 

[ALiberalModerate]

They were my pot connection. All of them had one goal in life...becoming a woman.

How many do you know? [transsexuals etc]

I don't know any male prostitutes. I have known a couple of transsexuals over the years. They are not that common.

 

[WCH]

I don't know any male prostitutes. I have known a couple of transsexuals over the years. They are not that common.

They're much more common in the military than the general population...Hummm?

So you support taxpayer funding of their whims because?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

They're much more common in the military than the general population...Hummm?

So you support taxpayer funding of their whims because?

As I explained before. The military, just like any other large organization, has a benefits package. Part of that benefits package is health coverage. A transgender individual that is willing to fight and die for their country qualifies for that benefits package just like anyone else does.

Furthermore, as I pointed out in another thread, the costs of the military providing healthcare to transsexuals is a minuscule amount of overall defense spending. In fact, we would save more money than it costs the military to provide health care to transsexuals if Trump just skipped just one trip a year to Mar-a-Lago.

If you are concerned about healthcare costs for the military, then you should be hell bent against them allowing any smoker or former smoker to join. You should also be hell bent against them allowing anyone in that has not ate a strict whole foods diet their entire life, and kept themselves in good shape through regular intense exercise their entire life. Especially considering that poor health choices on the part of anyone in the military costs the military exponentially more in healthcare costs than transsexuals would.

 

[Lovebug]

No. the military is funded by the taxpayers ...wholly. I suspect many Trans have joined the military seeking their "transformation" just like the male prostitutes I've known in the past. Looking for that sugar daddy.

Many military members join to get ahead, to fund their education etc, others join out of conviction. To say they prostitute themselves to get ahead is______ (what can I say here without getting in trouble, fill in the blank as you wish.)

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

About the military or transsexuals? I some experience with both.

The combination. Your claim that being transsexual causes mental and/or physical limitation that are contrary to the goals of the military. That's an absurd statement.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Our heteropatriarchal society shames gender-nonconforming people - boys that are effeminate and girls that don't act lady-like. As a result, people get gender dysphoria and think they need the primary and secondary sex characteristics of one sex. I gravely fear the left is perpetuating toxic masculinity and a sexist version of feminine gender roles by telling anyone with gender dysphoria they need expensive and invasive surgery.

It's not much different than when the sexist ideal of the female body leads many women to put their health at risk to remain thin.

Wow. I didn't realize just how ignorant you were on this topic. Now I know. What you describe has nothing to do with transsexuality or how it forms.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

No. the military is funded by the taxpayers ...wholly. I suspect many Trans have joined the military seeking their "transformation" just like the male prostitutes I've known in the past. Looking for that sugar daddy.

And you'd be wrong about that assertion. You have no evidence of your claim.

 

[Oborosen]

I think we tend to view plastic surgery as away to change something so it looks more "perfect" but that's actually cosmetic surgery, as I just recently learned. Plastic surgery seeks to correct or improve the appearance of a physical defect. I think, if anyone takes offense to my question it's probably because they think I'm devaluing SRS as being the same as a nose job or chin implants (which frankly, I have no problem with either). I'm not. I see great value in surgically improving the appearance of something that someone has had difficulty living with. Think of a burn victim getting plastic surgery to appear more "normal". I doubt anyone would think it frivolous or vain or begrudge them something that could make them more acceptable especially to themselves. That's basically how I view SRS. There's nothing medically wrong with the human body that's born male or female. There is no life saving, urgent procedure that needs to be done to correct for being biologically male or female. SRS is about appearance, like a prosthetic eye or nose, but that's not to say that renders it unimportant or wrong. I accept that it can be very important to the person seeking it.


So, what do you think? Have I convinced you?


Poll on the way.

I guess it would depend on how much work you actually have done, that would really swing the decision.

Some people get tons of implants, and other sculpting surgeries done to make the "image" stick.

So I would think that its more of a grey area.

 

[calamity]

The combination. Your claim that being transsexual causes mental and/or physical limitation that are contrary to the goals of the military. That's an absurd statement.

If we accept women in the military, we should certainly also accept trans people. Judging by results in athletic competition, trans are slightly faster, stronger and have more endurance than striclty biological females. They aren't quite as strong as men, on average, but they are definitely not weak or incapable of performing to standards.

 

[WCH]

The combination. Your claim that being transsexual causes mental and/or physical limitation that are contrary to the goals of the military. That's an absurd statement.

What is absurd is any explanation of why I should pay for their whims.

 

[WCH]

Many military members join to get ahead, to fund their education etc, others join out of conviction. To say they prostitute themselves to get ahead is______ (what can I say here without getting in trouble, fill in the blank as you wish.)

I only defined the lengths they will go through not, comparing them with others.

 

[WCH]

And you'd be wrong about that assertion. You have no evidence of your claim.

I got it from the horse's mouth....where's your evidence to the contrary?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

What is absurd is any explanation of why I should pay for their whims.

Your explanation that many trans folks join the military to have it pay for their transition is absurd and worthless. Show evidence that this happens on a regular basis, because right now, all you are doing is presenting an opinion based on your own personal bias... which means absolutely nothing. As far as paying for their transitioning, that depends on the medical protocols in regards to other procedures that are not military caused.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I got it from the horse's mouth....where's your evidence to the contrary?

Post a link to the information, citing the percentage of transsexuals who join the military to start transitioning. You haven't done that yet, and anything else isn't acceptable.

 

[Mac77]

Yes.

Just like we should let soldiers get Viagra and Cialis under their insurance plans.

Which costs us taxpayers 5 times more than all of the medical costs associated with trans military members.

The military does not have "insurance plans"

It has hospitals and a medical corp to treat members of the uniformed military

The commander in chief and his subordinates at the pentagon decide policy to include sex change operations

 

[WCH]

Post a link to the information, citing the percentage of transsexuals who join the military to start transitioning. You haven't done that yet, and anything else isn't acceptable.

Acceptable to who?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Acceptable to who?

Firstly, if you read what I was responding to, the only acceptable answer would be some actual statistics on how many transsexuals actually joined the military with the intent to have the military pay for their transition. Any anecdotal evidence or personal opinion without those stats is not acceptable and would be rejected as biased and unfounded.

And, your picture is idiotic. Firstly, the military has standards. If a transsexual meets those standards, not accepting them because they are transsexual is discrimination. It's that simple. And, as I have explained to you countless time, the meme at the bottom of that picture is inaccurate, ignorant, and uneducated.

 

[WCH]

Firstly, if you read what I was responding to, the only acceptable answer would be some actual statistics on how many transsexuals actually joined the military with the intent to have the military pay for their transition. Any anecdotal evidence or personal opinion without those stats is not acceptable and would be rejected as biased and unfounded.

And, your picture is idiotic. Firstly, the military has standards. If a transsexual meets those standards, not accepting them because they are transsexual is discrimination. It's that simple. And, as I have explained to you countless time, the meme at the bottom of that picture is inaccurate, ignorant, and uneducated.

You have a woman in your life who has dealt with hormonal changes? Apply that to someone with the perspective of a transsexual.

They should never be deemed fit enough to join the military.

FWIW, I don't give a damn about studies, polls or other data when I've seen and heard it for myself. Believe me or not, I don't care.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

You have a woman in your life who has dealt with hormonal changes? Apply that to someone with the perspective of a transsexual.

They should never be deemed fit enough to join the military.

If anyone in the military is on medication, their fitness for duty based on the reaction to that medication should be assessed. Again, no discrimination. If the standards are equal and transsexuals on hormones are deemed unfit, then they should not serve... as long as similar cases with those who are not transsexuals are treated the same way.

FWIW, I don't give a damn about studies, polls or other data when I've seen and heard it for myself. Believe me or not, I don't care.

Your opinion is then worthless. If studies and data show you are wrong, and you stick to your position, then your position has no worth because it's not based on anything. I'm completely uninterested in who you've spoken to. Doesn't matter who it is, they are not a legitimate sample size and don't know any significant information. You may not like that, but it's accurate.

 

[WCH]

If anyone in the military is on medication, their fitness for duty based on the reaction to that medication should be assessed. Again, no discrimination. If the standards are equal and transsexuals on hormones are deemed unfit, then they should not serve... as long as similar cases with those who are not transsexuals are treated the same way.



Your opinion is then worthless. If studies and data show you are wrong, and you stick to your position, then your position has no worth because it's not based on anything. I'm completely uninterested in who you've spoken to. Doesn't matter who it is, they are not a legitimate sample size and don't know any significant information. You may not like that, but it's accurate.

It hasn't been going on long enough for a valid study. Beside REAL LIFE experience trumps sample size.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It hasn't been going on long enough for a valid study. Beside REAL LIFE experience trumps sample size.

So, in other words, you have no data and information that supports your position. This is not surprising.

 

[WCH]

So, in other words, you have no data and information that supports your position. This is not surprising.

Here's some numbers [for you]

Transgender Surgeries Would Cost Pentagon $1.3 Billion

If you have different ones, I'll weigh those against my personal experiences.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Here's some numbers [for you]

Transgender Surgeries Would Cost Pentagon $1.3 Billion

My actual real life experience pulls more weight with those who seek the truth. [despite your yammer]

I've already proven that the numbers in that article are completely false. And your real life experiences hold no weight with me. Whatever they are, they are a tiny sample size. If, for example, you knew one or two transsexuals who did this, that's a tiny percentage of the amount of transsexuals in the military. So, do you see now why your personal experience is meaningless in the larger picture?

 

[WCH]

I've already proven that the numbers in that article are completely false. And your real life experiences hold no weight with me. Whatever they are, they are a tiny sample size. If, for example, you knew one or two transsexuals who did this, that's a tiny percentage of the amount of transsexuals in the military. So, do you see now why your personal experience is meaningless in the larger picture?

I know half a dozen...you? I have children who are recently out of the military....you?