Is religion about avoiding reality?

[code1211]

I did answer the question. As I have physically changed my experience of things has physically changed.

Do you still claim that if one can't sense god it is somehow more to do with the person than with the concept of god?

You seem to think that I was making some kind of a Universal claim regarding something.

I was speaking only of me. What happens within you or anyone else is something to which I have no access.

If it gives you hope or happiness to accept what I say or reject what I say, I would recommend that you grasp and hold the hope and happiness that you can find. Lord knows we all need both.

Expanding on your understanding of the physical world around you, have your feelings or opinions regarding anything changed over time?

 

[code1211]

Those are very weak analogies, because, when it comes to gulf clubs, and pianos etc etc, although you can't play them, you can SHOW them. There are ways to detect them , and measure them. When it comes to the experiance you label God, there is no way for you to show that your experience is anything more than something happening in your brain. There is nothing you can show others, and measure, and show that it is something outside of your brain activity.

So then there are actual effects that can be measured.

The simple truth of the matter is that I don't need to show anyone any proof of anything.

As I said in the post to which you responded, I can't relay my experience. In the picture below, I can't identify the love that the father home from war has for his children, but I'm sure it's there. Maybe I'm wrong.

I can see the man and I can see children. I can see postures and I can see smiles. I can see clothing and I can see hugging. Just can't seem to see the love.




What do you think? Is there any love in the picture?

 

[calamity]

So then there are actual effects that can be measured.

The simple truth of the matter is that I don't need to show anyone any proof of anything.

As I said in the post to which you responded, I can't relay my experience. In the picture below, I can't identify the love that the father home from war has for his children, but I'm sure it's there. Maybe I'm wrong.

I can see the man and I can see children. I can see postures and I can see smiles. I can see clothing and I can see hugging. Just can't seem to see the love.




What do you think? Is there any love in the picture?

Looks more like grief or perhaps relief....maybe his wife died or he is just thrilled that he didn't.

See? You can't make a sound decision with insufficient evidence.

 

[code1211]

Looks more like grief or perhaps relief....maybe his wife died or he is just thrilled that he didn't.

See? You can't make a sound decision with insufficient evidence.

So, then, you are saying without a doubt that you can see something that is not specifically displayed in the picture?

Your only reservation is that you can't tell exactly what it is?

 

[RAMOSS]

So then there are actual effects that can be measured.

The simple truth of the matter is that I don't need to show anyone any proof of anything.

As I said in the post to which you responded, I can't relay my experience. In the picture below, I can't identify the love that the father home from war has for his children, but I'm sure it's there. Maybe I'm wrong.

I can see the man and I can see children. I can see postures and I can see smiles. I can see clothing and I can see hugging. Just can't seem to see the love.




What do you think? Is there any love in the picture?

That is evidence of a person's emotional attachment to apparently their own children. The outside stimulus for the emotion of love is the children. Can you show the outside stimulus for the sense of God?

 

[calamity]

So, then, you are saying without a doubt that you can see something that is not specifically displayed in the picture?

Your only reservation is that you can't tell exactly what it is?

The bold is kind of an important distinction to keep in mind when you claim, "Goddidit!"

 

[CLAX1911]

Nihilists don't believe in reality. That is the point, nothing, for them, is real.

no that's a diluted person.

Why does a fierce attachment to the real world, not wanting to have any false beliefs mean you don't believe in anything?

if you prove your beliefs true they aren't beliefs their facts. Will be true whether you believe it or not.

I think you are carrying some baggage from the days before you stopped worshiping the Sky Daddy.

I I will never understand why this discussion always becomes about personal things.

Leave my personal views out of it you are not a therapist so I don't think your evaluation of my psyche is of any relevance whatsoever.

 

[code1211]

That is evidence of a person's emotional attachment to apparently their own children. The outside stimulus for the emotion of love is the children. Can you show the outside stimulus for the sense of God?

Outside stimulus or evident presence of?


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[code1211]

The bold is kind of an important distinction to keep in mind when you claim, "Goddidit!"

Did I say that?

 

[RAMOSS]

Outside stimulus or evident presence of?


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Definitely outside stimulus invoking specifically evolved pathways in the brain. Let's see define any method to show otherwise.

 

[Tim the plumber]

no that's a diluted person.

if you prove your beliefs true they aren't beliefs their facts. Will be true whether you believe it or not. I I will never understand why this discussion always becomes about personal things.

Leave my personal views out of it you are not a therapist so I don't think your evaluation of my psyche is of any relevance whatsoever.

I presume you mean that if I demonstrate that what I believe is correct it is not necessary to have faith in it. It is a fact.

Otherwise it makes no sense to me.

I believe, to a level of confidence reflective of the level to which a claim has been demonstrated to be true, in what I have had confirmed.

eg.: I believe in thermodynamics even though it seemed to go against every other bit of physics, and thus I couldn't do it, because those who are responsible for making planes fly say it is correct and planes fly.

 

[CLAX1911]

I presume you mean that if I demonstrate that what I believe is correct it is not necessary to have faith in it. It is a fact.

no faith has to do with trust that isn't relevant here. Belief is thinking something is some way without knowing.

if you don't believe in facts you are deluded.

Otherwise it makes no sense to me.

I believe, to a level of confidence reflective of the level to which a claim has been demonstrated to be true, in what I have had confirmed.

if you don't believe him true things you are deluded. So congratulations on not being deluded, I guess.

eg.: I believe in thermodynamics even though it seemed to go against every other bit of physics, and thus I couldn't do it, because those who are responsible for making planes fly say it is correct and planes fly.

Thermodynamics is a theory for which there is evidence supporting. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial.

 

[Tim the plumber]

no faith has to do with trust that isn't relevant here. Belief is thinking something is some way without knowing.

if you don't believe in facts you are deluded.

if you don't believe him true things you are deluded. So congratulations on not being deluded, I guess.


Thermodynamics is a theory for which there is evidence supporting. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial.

That's the bit I think you ae allowing your previous life within faith to twist. I could be wrong.

But you should not believe stuff you don't have some credible reason to believe.

That does not mean that you know absoutley. There are degrees of confidence in knowing. You can even know stuff that is wrong.

And let's face it you already work in the world in this way.

 

[CLAX1911]

That's the bit I think you ae allowing your previous life within faith to twist. I could be wrong.

No, I don't say that I believe the gulf of Mexico is there, it's there regardless of whether I believe in it or not.

But you should not believe stuff you don't have some credible reason to believe.

I disagree a person should believe whatever they want.

That does not mean that you know absoutley. There are degrees of confidence in knowing. You can even know stuff that is wrong.

And let's face it you already work in the world in this way.

well yeah that's why I'm not a nihilist.

 

[Divine_Wind]

YouTube

Why do religious believers hate reality so much?

A video which seems to sum up the issue of trying to communicate with the god-bothers.

The "god-bothers"? WTF are those?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Nihilists don't believe in reality. That is the point, nothing, for them, is real.

Why does a fierce attachment to the real world, not wanting to have any false beliefs mean you don't believe in anything? I think you are carrying some baggage from the days before you stopped worshiping the Sky Daddy.

You may want to go back to school for that one since you are wrong....again.

 

[Tim the plumber]

No, I don't say that I believe the gulf of Mexico is there, it's there regardless of whether I believe in it or not.

I disagree a person should believe whatever they want.

well yeah that's why I'm not a nihilist.

That you know or believe the gulf of Mexico is there is a matter of semantics. You would stand on oath and agree that in your estimation (that would be belief) the gulf of Mexico is there.

If you are choosing to believe that is always lying. You don't do that.

 

[Tim the plumber]

The "god-bothers"? WTF are those?

Those people who endlessly send requests to the Great Sky Daddy to do some thing or other. Those that bother God. Those that pray.

 

[CLAX1911]

That you know or believe the gulf of Mexico is there is a matter of semantics.

I didn't say I knew it was there I said it's there. Regardless of my existence.

You would stand on oath and agree that in your estimation (that would be belief) the gulf of Mexico is there.

that's not a belief it's a fact.

If you are choosing to believe that is always lying. You don't do that.

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement

 

[Tim the plumber]

I didn't say I knew it was there I said it's there. Regardless of my existence.
that's not a belief it's a fact.

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement

You believe that the Gulf of Mexico being there is a fact.

You could cliam to believe that it was not there. That you choose this as a belief. But actually you would just be lying.

You believe what you do regardless of choice.

I think that is not always the case for the religious as they seem to have become so committed tio the idea of choice of belief that they have lost contact witha any notion of honesty.

 

[CLAX1911]

You believe that the Gulf of Mexico being there is a fact.

I know it's a fact regardless of for my belief if someone didn't believe it was there and there was a global conspiracy to create maps including the gulf of Mexico they would be deluded, because they are rejecting facts.

You could cliam to believe that it was not there.

if someone deletes that they would be wrong.

You believe what you do regardless of choice.

Of course.

I think that is not always the case for the religious as they seem to have become so committed tio the idea of choice of belief that they have lost contact witha any notion of honesty.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Those people who endlessly send requests to the Great Sky Daddy to do some thing or other. Those that bother God. Those that pray.

In my experience, most angry atheists are immature males; usually under 25. Any of them who haven't outgrown it by their thirties are just sad, sad excuses of a man.

 

[Somerville]

In my experience, most angry atheists are immature males; usually under 25. Any of them who haven't outgrown it by their thirties are just sad, sad excuses of a man.

In my experience, most atheists aren't angry but every day we can read about religious folks who are quite upset that people who used to keep silent are now speaking out.

 

[Divine_Wind]

In my experience, most atheists aren't angry but every day we can read about religious folks who are quite upset that people who used to keep silent are now speaking out.

Agreed. In fact, I doubt most people know the religious beliefs of coworkers and anyone less than a very close friend. Well, like "angry atheists", their counterparts are "angry theists" AKA Bible-thumpers.

 

[Quaestio]

Your faith is in Global Warming.

The report you want to have as evidence does not have any information in it. Try reading it. Try finding something useful out of it. Stop lying.


Yes. Quote something useful from it.


Yes, I have not quoted the video as it is not really appropriate to do so. How would I do that? I can hardly cut and paste from it can I? The message of the video deals with how religion impacts the view of reality in the religious.

You 'argue' just like a Creationist. See the video in your OP.