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Is it now Biden VS Warren?

I just hope Biden doesn't run as an Independent if (or Bernie WHEN) he loses to Warren... if he does he'd bring the Obama Centrists with him and give us 4 more years of Trump, and if Bernie ends up running third party... well, he might actually pull votes from TRUMP now that I think about it...

Biden will win the nomination and offer Warren the VP spot. I hope she takes it and runs for Pres. in 2024. Bernie will not run as a spoiler. How evil do you think he is? A bunch of Bernie's so called supporters will probably vote for Trump again. Trump will still lose badly to Biden. Biden will sign anything the Dems get to his desk which won't be much unless they take the Senate.
 
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No, it's not. Bernie and Warren have different bases. You can't assume that if either drops out, they automatically get the support of those people.

True. Many of Bernie's "supporters" will vote for Trump again while Warren''s will not.
 
The East Coast MSM and super rich control the Democratic Party, not East Coast super rich progressives. Elizabeth Warren is Harvard so she will be the party's nominee. Democratic voters opinions are irrelevant because the super rich of the world tell them how to vote via their media, press and Internet outlets. Democrats will vote for Warren because they are being told to vote for Warren, just like they were told to vote for Hilary Clinton.

No one personally likely Elizabeth Warren. In elections she has proven to be less likable than Hilary Clinton. But it doesn't matter. Democratic voters do whatever the super rich tell them to do. Always has. Always will.

Warren is interesting, right now she has 72% of all Democrats that have a favorable view of her vs. 39% of all Americans and only 30% of independents. Independents unless they live in an open primary state have no say on whom the Democrats nominate. But they have a huge say in the General Election and usually decide the winner, ala 2016 when Trump won them.

Compare her to Donald Trump, 85% of Republicans view him favorably, 41% of all Americans which is very close to Warren's. Trump also has 36% of all independents viewing him favorable. I'd say as of today, Trump would have a slight advantage over Warren. Warren has a slight advantage in a head to head match up against Trump, 5 points. But that is among registered voters and not likely voters. The difference is history shows approximately 65% of registered voters vote vs. 80% of likely voters.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Warren

By contrast Biden leads Trump by 11.5 points.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

Way too early to read much into those numbers, but interesting nonetheless. The big difference is independents, by a 35-26 margin independents prefer Biden over Trump, with Warren its a 26-26 tie between her and Trump when it comes to independents. 28% of independents said they would vote for someone else in a Warren vs. Trump while 17% said someone else in a Biden vs. Trump.

I'd say at this time, very early, Biden is much more attractive to the independent voter than Warren. But like I said, independents don't decide who the Democrats nominate, just who will be president.
 
Warren is interesting, right now she has 72% of all Democrats that have a favorable view of her vs. 39% of all Americans and only 30% of independents. Independents unless they live in an open primary state have no say on whom the Democrats nominate. But they have a huge say in the General Election and usually decide the winner, ala 2016 when Trump won them.

Compare her to Donald Trump, 85% of Republicans view him favorably, 41% of all Americans which is very close to Warren's. Trump also has 36% of all independents viewing him favorable. I'd say as of today, Trump would have a slight advantage over Warren. Warren has a slight advantage in a head to head match up against Trump, 5 points. But that is among registered voters and not likely voters. The difference is history shows approximately 65% of registered voters vote vs. 80% of likely voters.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Warren

By contrast Biden leads Trump by 11.5 points.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

Way too early to read much into those numbers, but interesting nonetheless. The big difference is independents, by a 35-26 margin independents prefer Biden over Trump, with Warren its a 26-26 tie between her and Trump when it comes to independents. 28% of independents said they would vote for someone else in a Warren vs. Trump while 17% said someone else in a Biden vs. Trump.

I'd say at this time, very early, Biden is much more attractive to the independent voter than Warren. But like I said, independents don't decide who the Democrats nominate, just who will be president.

The Democrats have a problem the Republicans don't. Remember the primaries in 2016. Both parties tried to ram their handpicked nominee down the throats of primary voters. For Republicans, it was Jeb Bush - including spending $100,000,000 early on. For Democrats, it was Hilary Clinton.

Republicans didn't just reject Jeb Bush, they threw him to the curb, never breaking 6%. But the Democrats did force Hilary Clinton upon Democratic primary voters. In fact, 2016 was Joe Biden's year, but that ship sailed without him on it.

Democratic primary voters won't pick the nominee. The MSM, press and internet companies will pick the Democratic nominee by control of all information. Of course, they are all literally owned by and service the super rich corporations - so the super rich will pick the Democratic nominee just like last time - with this backed up by the ego-maniacs of party leadership due to Warren being Harvard.

They will continue to feature Warren continuously and positively, while continuing to portray Biden as a bumbling old fool. It really is NOT what candidates say and do. It is what the MSM, press and Internet companies decide they will allow people to hear - and not hear - see and not see.

Harris was interesting to them being both female and minority, but she is West Coast progressive and no notable academic history. So they blew her away easy enough.

They'll placate the gay guy - the most absurd candidate in the race given the massive levels of unemployment and crime in his city. Yang is different in his promising to give himself and every other rich person in the USA an extra $1000 per month. But, in the end, it will be Elizabeth Warren.

In my opinion, had he run in 2016 Joe Biden would be president. But old age is being particularly cruel to him, plus the extreme intolerance of the new progressive Democrats is against him as well. Biden's strength is simple: Old people like him. He knows how to talk to old people - slow, simple, direct folky talk. He sits good with blue collar white people. That's his strength. His weakness? Him mind. It's giving out on him. Too much Scotch and bourbon over too many decades. Too old.

The super rich don't want Biden. They want someone who will do everything they demand - and that is Elizabeth Warren. Biden has the unacceptable trait of sometimes he had an independent thought beyond what he is told he should say. Warren doesn't. She is singularly pragmatic - perfectly a moral - with no controlling dogma or ethical parameters.

Democrats will nominate Elizabeth Warren because they are being told to nominate her by the super rich thru their information outlets of which they own nearly all of them in the USA.
 
One thing: Progressives hate Harris.

Not true, many do, but there are also many who think she's progressive (which I disagree with but I can see why they might believe this). I haven't looked into the proportion, but it wouldn't surprise me if her support leans progressive.
 
*coughberniesanders*

Absurd; it would never happen.

I'd be far more concerned about a self-interested billionaire like Bloomberg running third party in a deliberate attempt to split the Dem vote, or at best, champion 'moderate' Dems, if either Warren or Sanders won the nomination; this is at least a realistic possibility.
 
Absurd; it would never happen.
I'd worry more about a billionaire running third party to deliberately attempt to split the Dem vote, or at best champion 'moderate' Dems, if either Warren or Sanders won the nomination.

I'm just jokingly remarking on what I feel phys meant, not what I feel is going to occur.
I agree, I doubt anyone big is running 3rd party.
 
Yes Bernie has had plenty of chances and is still a Democratic Socialist, whatever that is.

If you don't know what that is, then you haven't been listening. It's only been the same message for the last 30-40 years.
 
*coughberniesanders*

Shhh! You have dared to critique the Messiah! Prepare for a wrathful spite of rage! :lol:
 
If you don't know what that is, then you haven't been listening. It's only been the same message for the last 30-40 years.

LOL Is Bernie the only elected member after 40 years? That does not sound very promising.
 
I'm still hoping for Mayor Pete to get some bumps, but if the nominee is either Biden or Warren, I know who I'm voting for. It isn't Trump.
 
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Back when one could be a Republican without throwing away their morals.

Whether she is a Republican or Democrat, Caucasian or Native American, for or against anything, is just like her stance on every issue: whatever is best for her to be and say for her own personal wealth and status. Elizabeth Warren is the quintessential pathological liar motivated singularly by self interests.
 
Whether she is a Republican or Democrat, Caucasian or Native American, for or against anything, is just like her stance on every issue: whatever is best for her to be and say for her own personal wealth and status. Elizabeth Warren is the quintessential pathological liar motivated singularly by self interests.
I am amused that you continue to delude yourself into believing that you have any credibility to judge someone else's honesty. :lamo
 
I'm still hoping for Mayor Pete to get some bumps, but if the nominee is either Biden or Warren, I know who I'm voting for. It isn't Trump.

"Mayor Pete" does represent the agenda of the Democratic Party in his city: 5 times the national unemployment rate (25%) and 4 times the crime rate of his state. Eliminating American jobs and promoting and protecting criminals as most as possible is at the core of the Democratic Party's agenda.
 
I would not put much stock into what Nate Silver says. He is very good at guessing the obvious, like if it's going to rain tomorrow, but terrible making predictions about stuff not-so-obvious. More than that, Nate tries to influence the polls with his own personal views.

Why You Should Never, Ever Listen To Nate Silver | Current Affairs
 
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