Is it a bad thing that Tucker feels he cant take his family to dinner?

[Fledermaus]

Poor diddums. If he didn't spew so much hate and violence he might not get heckled in restaurants. He is lucky he doesn't go to a restaurant where white supremacist trump supporters shoot up.

Please share examples.

 

[Fledermaus]

Tucker Carlson lives in a $4 million mansion in Washington DC, belongs to a country club, and makes millions preaching hate. If he's so scared to eat out he can hire a chef. Which most people cannot.

Ergo he has no right to travel outside unmolested....

 

[What if...?]

There we go...let us separate the wheat from the chaff!

Let's find out who The Better People are!

Better people don't go along with status games where those in power must be adored and never confronted.

Follower types gonna follow.

But I'm not going to salute the behavior

 

[americanwoman]

That's what his wife said. And I honestly can believe it, seeing as how violent ANTIFA can get.

That what Carlson said his wife said. We'll see after the investigation but when someone is known for their rhetoric, I am not just going to believe them right away.

 

[American]

Or because I don't feel like wasting time on something you'll immediately dismiss. You're saying he's never spread hate against liberals, immigrants or any other groups? He's just a normal objective reporter?



I never said that so I'm not sure why you think I'd defend it.

You said he deserves the same hate (he spews) back. So name the time he promoted physical violence or threats.

 

[What if...?]

...and so the tangled vine of partisan hate grows a few more inches and wraps itself around each of our throats.

For me it isn't "partisan".

Its part of the set of social instincts that don't work like everybody else's due to my aspergers.

Peoples shock at confronting those in positions of power personally makes no sense to me.

This idea that "they won" or "its just their job" excuses everyone from personal responsibility for their actions.

Its part of the power/status behavior set. Follower behavior (most of us HAVE to be follower types in our social species).

So, simply put, if you're SHS and you don't want people calling you a liar to your face, don't lie to us.

Seems a very effective, pro-survival approach to the problem of being lied to by politicians and the press.

 

[Fledermaus]

Nope, Americans will not be silenced by you fascists. If an American wants to tell Tucker he's an asshole if they see him in public, that's their god given right as Americans and no, you won't be stopping them.

Then you are cool with the Westboro Baptist Church.........

 

[Crovax]

My boy? That's Tucker's boy. Do you have me mistaken for one of those red cap wearing assholes?

When you read my posts you think "Man, what a Trump supporter!"?



If words don't hurt he shouldn't mind the words other free human beings send in his direction.

I know you aren’t a Trump supporter, I was simply pointing out how the far and and far right aren’t so different in their line of thinking

 

[nota bene]

Have you read my first post, which is second from the OP? I have a different take regarding whether or not where' talking about an average joe, or a public figure, and my view drastically varies depending on whether we're talking about a verbal or physical confrontation.

The person should definetely not be made to feel unsafe, I'll give you that, but I don't think that public figures have the right to feel unchallenged, wherever they go. If I were to run for pulic office, for instance (which I've given some tought, but have ultimately decided that I would make a horrible candidate.) I would expect conservatives who recognize me to voice their discontentment at Lambert's, my favorite eating place at Sikeston, Mo.

Apparently, I was reared differently than you. I wouldn't disturb a public figure/celebrity in a restaurant, period; I think it's ill-bred behavior.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Tucker is just going to have to toughen up. He's well paid to be Trumps fanboi.

Carlson's 7 bedroom home in the Kent neighborhood of D.C. $2.2 million.

 

[calamity]

Apparently, I was reared differently than you. I wouldn't disturb a public figure/celebrity in a restaurant, period; I think it's ill-bred behavior.

I would probably end up cussing out Hannity, Rush, Coulter, Ingraham and that slut Tomi if I had to see any of their ugly mugs while eating my own dinner.

 

[What if...?]

...and you and those who say it is OK to harass people in public are fertilizing it and cultivating it right beside him.
Yet you don't see how it is slowly wrapping itself around all our throats.
Your fertilizer and his all go to the same roots.
The roots of partisan hate.

Nope.

They go to the for profit manipulation industries upon which power and status in our society have been built for the better part of a century.

The most effective tool ever devised by tyrants.

Totally protected by the first amendment.

However, since these ARE the tools used to establish and maintain every modern tyranny, I seriously doubt the founders would have worded the first the way they did had they foreseen the advent of these technologies.

It is the constant psychological manipulation in play, telling us to hate each other at the emotional level that is at the root of this.

No amount of calls for civility will work as long as these industries are allowed to operate unchecked.

You literally cannot reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

Positions they were manipulated to FEEL one way or the other about. They actually tend to believe the lie they feel strongly about if you attempt to apply reason.

 

[What if...?]

Only a imbecile would think it's OK to act like this.

Whats next? Going after the weatherman because your golf got rained out?

Weatherman didn't MAKE it rain.

Try again.

 

[What if...?]

What hate? Can you give a concrete example?

Persuasion is a science of emotions, not concrete examples.

 

[What if...?]

Had someone managed to kick their front door in. I doubt mob rule would've stopped at that point. His wife would've possibly been seriously injured in an assault and I bet you that CNN would still do their best to excuse the actions of the protestors to boot.

Pretty sure the police report doesn't include the front door detail.

Which it certainly seems it would, if it actually happened, because that would be attempted breaking and entering.

 

[nota bene]

I would probably end up cussing out Hannity, Rush, Coulter, Ingraham and that slut Tomi if I had to see any of their ugly mugs while eating my own dinner.

Maybe you care too much. Do you take it upon yourself as a daily matter of course to publicly rebuke those who displease you--someone who holds up the check-out line because of coupons or talks too loudly on a cell phone in the grocery store? Talk to strangers at other tables in restaurants and tell them what they should order?

 

[Lovebug]

Anyone should be able to go anywhere without being harassed.

 

[americanwoman]

Weatherman didn't MAKE it rain.

Try again.

You sure about that? This one claims to:

 

[What if...?]

Citation of spewing hate please, or are you just going to link me an opinion peace that claims it to be hate?

How about "constant dissemination of content designed to elicit the clients desired emotional response in the target audience".

Which is what all these ideological pundits are selling.

What they study in marketing and communications and political science.

What makes us tick and how to exploit it for money and power.

 

[Vadinho]

YES.


It is outrageous.


It is sad.


It is an indication of how unliberal many of today's "liberals" are.


*****


Soon after Richard Nixon had lost to John F. Kennedy, Mr. and Mrs. Nixon entered a restaurant to dine. Everyone in the establishment stood up and applauded. Presumably, many of those diners were liberal Democrats who had voted for president-elect Kennedy. They conducted themselves in a decent and mature manner by showing respect to the Nixons.


Some of today's liberals should be ashamed of themselves by sullying the word "liberal."

That was in 1960 before tricky dickey expanded the war and was almost impeached...my bet is he got an earful after 1974 when he went out.

 

[Amelia]

Tucker Carlson is a public figure. He makes a lot of money to address a nation-wide audience on matters of great importance. He puts himself out there, and in doing so he invites criticism and scrutiny.

Not only am I fine with public figures like politicians and reporters being confronted at public places, I think that these people should be confronted. If they are doing something to attract the ire of the public, and the consequence of having to deal with that makes them feel uncomfortable, then they should be uncomfortable. Where I draw the line is when such confrontations become physical; don't put your hands on people, or their property. I'm fine with Ted Cruz getting chanted out of a resteraunt, but the people who threw out Mitch McConnell's food were crossing an obvious line.

That's a nice, legal line to draw.

Of course, there may also be legal limits to what kind of disturbance groups are entitled to make in public places and private venues such as restaurants. So the protestors might be asking for fines or jail time. That kind of protest is part of a long American tradition.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

Apparently, I was reared differently than you. I wouldn't disturb a public figure/celebrity in a restaurant, period; I think it's ill-bred behavior.

I don't know about that. I'm very much making it up as I go along. We were probably both raised very similarly in regards to general etiquette. I've decided on my own that public figures fall outside of those expected conventions.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

That's a nice, legal line to draw.

Of course, there may also be legal limits to what kind of disturbance groups are entitled to make in public places and private venues such as restaurants. So the protestors might be asking for fines or jail time. That kind of protest is part of a long American tradition.

Legality is something I think of as an after-thought. What I think is right, and what I think is legal is not neccessarily the same thing. I don't neccessarily think a person leaving a resteraunt in hand-cuffs has done the wrong thing, but I do think that a person who commits violence in the name of 'politically justice' probably has done the wrong thing.

 

[DH Kirkwood]

So, civility is not a must?

Depends on what you mean by 'civility', and in what context we're talking about applying it. I have practical reasons for thinking that civility is the best policy on web-forums, and when dealing with opposition voters. I extend no such courtesy to policy-makers and media figureheads.

 

[Amelia]

Legality is something I think of as an after-thought. What I think is right, and what I think is legal is not neccessarily the same thing. I don't neccessarily think a person leaving a resteraunt in hand-cuffs has done the wrong thing, but I do think that a person who commits violence in the name of 'politically justice' probably has done the wrong thing.

agree