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Is Elon Musk worth investing in?

Does seem to be eerily similar. You think that perhaps there are only a specific number of different 'tracks' that an innovation based entrepreneurial company with a mercurial leader at the helm burn out or fade away, and Elon's experience is just one of those tracks?

Well, I don't think Jobs would've faded away if he hadn't died. He was mildly successful (compared to Apple) with Next, then very successful with Pixar, then wildly successful on his return to Apple. I think Jobs would've found success no matter what because he had the intuition to guess what consumers are going to want. I don't know Musk well enough to say whether he has that trait or not, although he obviously very smart and successful in his own right and certainly has his own cult like following. Jobs was selling consumer items that would take a couple of years from theory to production, Musk is getting into things that are longer term, like SpaceX, the Boring Company...even Tesla is something that's taken much longer than the Mac, so they're different in that respect and Musk shouldn't be expected to have that kind of short term success.
 
Does seem to be eerily similar. You think that perhaps there are only a specific number of different 'tracks' that an innovation based entrepreneurial company with a mercurial leader at the helm burn out or fade away, and Elon's experience is just one of those tracks?

The similarities are not there. Simply because none of the data about given about Steve was accurate. His use of LSD and other psychotropics was part of his college days, his study of Buddhism shortly afterwards, and he attributed far greater influence upon his vision of creativity and focused work ethic toward Buddhist principles, as well as his personal spiritual journeys. He wasn't fired by Apple, Mark Markula led a hostile board to remove Steve from his CEO position, he then resigned. No one quit on Steve, tho some resigned from Apple after Steve left. Markula's conflict with Steve was based on Steve's demanding and dictatorial command of Apple, his refusal to take board advice and play money management games. Nothing mercurial about that. Steve's business and design vision were built on consumer desire for minimalism, simplicity in a world of growing complexity, his genius was in marketing. He was always smart enough to lead with standards and then hire the talent to execute. Steve's decision for a highly secretive Apple stemmed from his earlier experience Bill Gates and Microsoft. MS was and remains the largest single source of Apple 3rd party software, which enable MS to imitate the Mac OS with Windows, and other features, from data supplied to Gates for development of that 3rd party software. Reinforced later by the betrayal by the boys from Google who he had personally advised, with their decision to produce Android as a competitor to the then new iPhone. A betrayal Steve took very personally. He never spoke to any of them again. Paige had been on Apple's board, was removed, and their personal open house at Steve's home was rescinded.

Steve's greatest business transaction was the conveyance of Pixar to Disney in return for Disney equities. A tax free exchange of equity positions, which left him in the position of single largest Disney stockholder, accrued to his widow after his demise, also tax free, since his equity position at both companies was a distinct ownership by the entirety, a marital holding. A conveyance to her by right and not subject to his estate. At the time of the Pixar/Disney transaction, Steve's Pixar equity position was valued at about 30% of his and his wife's common wealth, their Apple position about 27% of their common wealth. After the transaction, the Disney equity position for the couple was at 64% of their common wealth, the balance mostly being in real property and other personal possessions, a position of equities at Oracle. His widow is the single largest shareholder at both corporations today, and the value in those positions are almost of equal dollar value.

I's go on to show the mistaken assumptions about Musk, but it is 2am here and I need to sleep.
 
Well, I don't think Jobs would've faded away if he hadn't died. He was mildly successful (compared to Apple) with Next, then very successful with Pixar, then wildly successful on his return to Apple. I think Jobs would've found success no matter what because he had the intuition to guess what consumers are going to want. I don't know Musk well enough to say whether he has that trait or not, although he obviously very smart and successful in his own right and certainly has his own cult like following. Jobs was selling consumer items that would take a couple of years from theory to production, Musk is getting into things that are longer term, like SpaceX, the Boring Company...even Tesla is something that's taken much longer than the Mac, so they're different in that respect and Musk shouldn't be expected to have that kind of short term success.

The similarities are not there. Simply because none of the data about given about Steve was accurate. His use of LSD and other psychotropics was part of his college days, his study of Buddhism shortly afterwards, and he attributed far greater influence upon his vision of creativity and focused work ethic toward Buddhist principles, as well as his personal spiritual journeys. He wasn't fired by Apple, Mark Markula led a hostile board to remove Steve from his CEO position, he then resigned. No one quit on Steve, tho some resigned from Apple after Steve left. Markula's conflict with Steve was based on Steve's demanding and dictatorial command of Apple, his refusal to take board advice and play money management games. Nothing mercurial about that. Steve's business and design vision were built on consumer desire for minimalism, simplicity in a world of growing complexity, his genius was in marketing. He was always smart enough to lead with standards and then hire the talent to execute. Steve's decision for a highly secretive Apple stemmed from his earlier experience Bill Gates and Microsoft. MS was and remains the largest single source of Apple 3rd party software, which enable MS to imitate the Mac OS with Windows, and other features, from data supplied to Gates for development of that 3rd party software. Reinforced later by the betrayal by the boys from Google who he had personally advised, with their decision to produce Android as a competitor to the then new iPhone. A betrayal Steve took very personally. He never spoke to any of them again. Paige had been on Apple's board, was removed, and their personal open house at Steve's home was rescinded.

Steve's greatest business transaction was the conveyance of Pixar to Disney in return for Disney equities. A tax free exchange of equity positions, which left him in the position of single largest Disney stockholder, accrued to his widow after his demise, also tax free, since his equity position at both companies was a distinct ownership by the entirety, a marital holding. A conveyance to her by right and not subject to his estate. At the time of the Pixar/Disney transaction, Steve's Pixar equity position was valued at about 30% of his and his wife's common wealth, their Apple position about 27% of their common wealth. After the transaction, the Disney equity position for the couple was at 64% of their common wealth, the balance mostly being in real property and other personal possessions, a position of equities at Oracle. His widow is the single largest shareholder at both corporations today, and the value in those positions are almost of equal dollar value.

I's go on to show the mistaken assumptions about Musk, but it is 2am here and I need to sleep.

Two well reasoned and well thought out responses, for which I thank you both.

I wasn't setting up a Jobs vs. Musk comparison, but more in a larger sense of development track patterns of innovation based entrepreneurial company with a mercurial leader at the helm.

Probably it could be a thread for discussion, but, as was posted, it's 2 AM here too and time for bed.

Wishing you both well.
 
The similarities are not there. Simply because none of the data about given about Steve was accurate. His use of LSD and other psychotropics was part of his college days, his study of Buddhism shortly afterwards, and he attributed far greater influence upon his vision of creativity and focused work ethic toward Buddhist principles, as well as his personal spiritual journeys. He wasn't fired by Apple, Mark Markula led a hostile board to remove Steve from his CEO position, he then resigned. No one quit on Steve, tho some resigned from Apple after Steve left. Markula's conflict with Steve was based on Steve's demanding and dictatorial command of Apple, his refusal to take board advice and play money management games. Nothing mercurial about that. Steve's business and design vision were built on consumer desire for minimalism, simplicity in a world of growing complexity, his genius was in marketing. He was always smart enough to lead with standards and then hire the talent to execute. Steve's decision for a highly secretive Apple stemmed from his earlier experience Bill Gates and Microsoft. MS was and remains the largest single source of Apple 3rd party software, which enable MS to imitate the Mac OS with Windows, and other features, from data supplied to Gates for development of that 3rd party software. Reinforced later by the betrayal by the boys from Google who he had personally advised, with their decision to produce Android as a competitor to the then new iPhone. A betrayal Steve took very personally. He never spoke to any of them again. Paige had been on Apple's board, was removed, and their personal open house at Steve's home was rescinded.

Steve's greatest business transaction was the conveyance of Pixar to Disney in return for Disney equities. A tax free exchange of equity positions, which left him in the position of single largest Disney stockholder, accrued to his widow after his demise, also tax free, since his equity position at both companies was a distinct ownership by the entirety, a marital holding. A conveyance to her by right and not subject to his estate. At the time of the Pixar/Disney transaction, Steve's Pixar equity position was valued at about 30% of his and his wife's common wealth, their Apple position about 27% of their common wealth. After the transaction, the Disney equity position for the couple was at 64% of their common wealth, the balance mostly being in real property and other personal possessions, a position of equities at Oracle. His widow is the single largest shareholder at both corporations today, and the value in those positions are almost of equal dollar value.

I's go on to show the mistaken assumptions about Musk, but it is 2am here and I need to sleep.

According to Isaacson's biography?

He didn't drop acid later in life that we know of, but he consistently attributed it to his creativity. He wasn't fired by Apple but was fired from his position, taking away control which to Jobs was everything. And John Raskin and Burrell Smith from the original Mac team didn't quit over conflicts with Jobs? Here's what Wozniak had to say on the subject: https://www.cultofmac.com/286590/woz-nobody-macintosh-team-wanted-work-jobs-ever/
 
Rogan and Musk both are smarter than the majority of the folks on this board, even when they are drunk or high as can be.

There may be a fine line between genius and insanity but don't ask an insane genius to try to define the differences between smart and deceived.
 
Between PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, SolarCity, and various other wildly successful companies, many people have consistently mocked Elon and bet against him, and time and time again they lose their money and credibility. Honestly he just doesn't give a **** about personal PR anymore. He cares about innovation and pushing the human race further technologically. Bet against him at your own risk.

Ok, first on the lighter side of things: when I first began hearing his name several years ago, I had 'Elon Musk' mixed up with "Jovan musk", the personal fragrance! Lol

Anyway, he has gotten involved in some pretty obvious scams, such as "Hyperloop". It's one of those modern, pseudo-science inventions that is utterly riddled with holes, when you apply real work physics and science to the equation. But what's scary, and it was one motivation for an earlier thread I posted about instances where progressives are playing fast and loose with science, physics and basic biology.

Hyperloop is great for people who want to pour blind faith into 'feel good' ideas, without putting actual thought into them:
 
Ok, first on the lighter side of things: when I first began hearing his name several years ago, I had 'Elon Musk' mixed up with "Jovan musk", the personal fragrance! Lol

Anyway, he has gotten involved in some pretty obvious scams, such as "Hyperloop". It's one of those modern, pseudo-science inventions that is utterly riddled with holes, when you apply real work physics and science to the equation. But what's scary, and it was one motivation for an earlier thread I posted about instances where progressives are playing fast and loose with science, physics and basic biology.

Hyperloop is great for people who want to pour blind faith into 'feel good' ideas, without putting actual thought into them:

Yeah yeah, and you sticks in the mud also said landing and reusing a rocket was a unicorn style fantasy land, so was an attractive and affordable electric car, or online banking in the 90's. You'll always criticize and whine about the technological advancements of others without providing any yourself. I suspect your comment about "progressives playing fast and loose with science and physics" is likely based on some kind of climate change or evolution denial. This is why you're on an internet forum and he's running many successful businesses and dramatically changing mankind through his technology.
 
Yeah yeah, and you sticks in the mud also said landing and reusing a rocket was a unicorn style fantasy land, so was an attractive and affordable electric car, or online banking in the 90's. You'll always criticize and whine about the technological advancements of others without providing any yourself. I suspect your comment about "progressives playing fast and loose with science and physics" is likely based on some kind of climate change or evolution denial. This is why you're on an internet forum and he's running many successful businesses and dramatically changing mankind through his technology.

I'm surprised he has the time to run a business what with hin consistently calling an innocent man a paedophile and smoking joints on live webpods.
 
I'm surprised he has the time to run a business what with hin consistently calling an innocent man a paedophile and smoking joints on live webpods.

Joints on live webpods? Can you tell me the other podcasts he's smoked weed on? I'd like to see them. Seems like you're just being pathetic and making things up.
 
Joints on live webpods? Can you tell me the other podcasts he's smoked weed on? I'd like to see them. Seems like you're just being pathetic and making things up.

He didn't inhale. The real crime is smoking, as opposed to vaping, was promoted. What kind of barbarian opts for cancer and emphysema instead of pure keefy goodness in the form of a concentrate. The guy makes Teslas, he should have a space age electronic rig that floods a room. And he's swinging a bone club around like that's cool. What the hell. The juxtaposition would be funny if it wasn't harmful.
 
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Joints on live webpods? Can you tell me the other podcasts he's smoked weed on? I'd like to see them. Seems like you're just being pathetic and making things up.

Seriously? You object to my colloquial pluralisations but have no problem with Elon Musk repeatedly accusing an innocent man of being a paedophile??
 
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Seriously? You object to my colloquial pluralisations but have no problem with Elon Musk repeatedly accusing an innocent man of being a paedophile??

I never said I have no problem with his accusations against the diver, what I wanted to know is where you saw these other times. You're trying to paint him as a habitual stoner too busy getting his fix to innovate. Why would you try to imply that?
 
According to Isaacson's biography?

He didn't drop acid later in life that we know of, but he consistently attributed it to his creativity. He wasn't fired by Apple but was fired from his position, taking away control which to Jobs was everything. And John Raskin and Burrell Smith from the original Mac team didn't quit over conflicts with Jobs? Here's what Wozniak had to say on the subject: https://www.cultofmac.com/286590/woz-nobody-macintosh-team-wanted-work-jobs-ever/

Steve enjoyed myth making, part of the R&R experience. LSD became part of his myth. Steve was into theatrics, staging and so forth. Always keep that in mind when viewing "his own word" sometimes written well after the fact, and stretched. I have no doubt that even his last words "Wow, oh Wow" were well planned in his mind.

That wasn't a firing it was a coup d'etat. Steve held enough equities, controlled enough more for a proxy fight that could have reversed the coup in a matter of days. Larry Ellison convinced him it would be a better move for him to resign. Larry had an ulterior motive, he wanted Steve at Oracle. Steve was smart enough to know the two friends in one company would lead to murder.:)

Raskin and Smith didn't quit Steve because he was on the short end of the stick with the coup. They were already gone, along with many others, partly because of Steve's belief in creative tension as a management tool, but more because of their own aspirations. Neither left because of Steve, they enjoyed the matches. They had other aspirations, and the former military staffing at Apple intimidated them. They were inspired by Bill Atkinson's move toward founding General Magic, and intimidated by David Ramsey strolling around Apple with a .45 on each hip. Atkinson, leader of the Lisa graphics team, a neurophysicist, later creator of MacPaint, Hypercard (with Danny Wilkins early HTML used for Hypertalk adopted for Apple to Apple db communications enabling both Appletalk and Filemaker), numerous other packages. within 9 months of leaving Apple was creating more income for himself than Gates was pulling down at MS. The difference between him and Gates, once he accumulated enough money, more than he and his heirs could spend in a lifetime, he shifted his career to nature photography. Ramsey, a former Air Force fighter pilot, aka MOJO Paranoia, intimidated everyone, yet also when he left for his own aspirations made himself immense fortunes licensing his code packages. And he always did freelance work for Steve. David was my key to Apple. Everytime he came east, he'd call my people for security. He trusted few to protect him from little green meanies and purple people eaters from the planet Murlock. Can't make this stuff up. His major income sources were the first OCR, text to speech, and speech to text packages. He finally called it a day, moved from Las Vegas to a personally owned island in the Caribbean, where he flies his own flag. With David, went his mentor, Wonder Woman, Binky Melnick. The first real operations manager at Apple. She terrified Steve, and he personally didn't speak with her for 3 years. She left to work in the movie industry, tired of computers, loving the glamour, even in the production rooms.

Isaacson is a writer, engaged to tell as story as it wanted to be told. Follow the money, look to see who supplied his first advances, who owned that company. A nice guy, decent researcher, not a hack. But decent is a key.

Steve Wozniak, a superb technician in a permanent haze. Happy with new toys, built by him or others, a quality hardware executor when confronted with "that can't be done." "I know where we can get parts that will do that." He had no idea what was going on at Apple in the back rooms until years later. Far more concerned with "Is there chocolate pudding in the cafeteria today?" A loyal friend for Jobs, one of his few who never betrayed, worth more than lucre.

Now that my granddaughter sitting in my lap is finally finishing a cup of bug juice, her nightmares forgotten, we can both go back to sleep. Yup, her eyes are half closed. She's getting too big to carry, or I'm getting too old to carry her.

Later.
 
He said in the interview that he has a very difficult time relaxing...that his mind is constantly moving at a fast pace and that most people generally wouldn't want to be him for that reason. Part of me thinks that letting loose, getting a little crazy, and just being himself in the midst of the intense stress he's experiencing might help.

getting stoned is probably a decent idea for him. however, i would recommend taking a month off. he can afford it. he'd probably do well to come back fresh.
 
Steve enjoyed myth making, part of the R&R experience. LSD became part of his myth. Steve was into theatrics, staging and so forth. Always keep that in mind when viewing "his own word" sometimes written well after the fact, and stretched. I have no doubt that even his last words "Wow, oh Wow" were well planned in his mind.

That wasn't a firing it was a coup d'etat. Steve held enough equities, controlled enough more for a proxy fight that could have reversed the coup in a matter of days. Larry Ellison convinced him it would be a better move for him to resign. Larry had an ulterior motive, he wanted Steve at Oracle. Steve was smart enough to know the two friends in one company would lead to murder.:)

Raskin and Smith didn't quit Steve because he was on the short end of the stick with the coup. They were already gone, along with many others, partly because of Steve's belief in creative tension as a management tool, but more because of their own aspirations. Neither left because of Steve, they enjoyed the matches. They had other aspirations, and the former military staffing at Apple intimidated them. They were inspired by Bill Atkinson's move toward founding General Magic, and intimidated by David Ramsey strolling around Apple with a .45 on each hip. Atkinson, leader of the Lisa graphics team, a neurophysicist, later creator of MacPaint, Hypercard (with Danny Wilkins early HTML used for Hypertalk adopted for Apple to Apple db communications enabling both Appletalk and Filemaker), numerous other packages. within 9 months of leaving Apple was creating more income for himself than Gates was pulling down at MS. The difference between him and Gates, once he accumulated enough money, more than he and his heirs could spend in a lifetime, he shifted his career to nature photography. Ramsey, a former Air Force fighter pilot, aka MOJO Paranoia, intimidated everyone, yet also when he left for his own aspirations made himself immense fortunes licensing his code packages. And he always did freelance work for Steve. David was my key to Apple. Everytime he came east, he'd call my people for security. He trusted few to protect him from little green meanies and purple people eaters from the planet Murlock. Can't make this stuff up. His major income sources were the first OCR, text to speech, and speech to text packages. He finally called it a day, moved from Las Vegas to a personally owned island in the Caribbean, where he flies his own flag. With David, went his mentor, Wonder Woman, Binky Melnick. The first real operations manager at Apple. She terrified Steve, and he personally didn't speak with her for 3 years. She left to work in the movie industry, tired of computers, loving the glamour, even in the production rooms.

Isaacson is a writer, engaged to tell as story as it wanted to be told. Follow the money, look to see who supplied his first advances, who owned that company. A nice guy, decent researcher, not a hack. But decent is a key.

Steve Wozniak, a superb technician in a permanent haze. Happy with new toys, built by him or others, a quality hardware executor when confronted with "that can't be done." "I know where we can get parts that will do that." He had no idea what was going on at Apple in the back rooms until years later. Far more concerned with "Is there chocolate pudding in the cafeteria today?" A loyal friend for Jobs, one of his few who never betrayed, worth more than lucre.

Now that my granddaughter sitting in my lap is finally finishing a cup of bug juice, her nightmares forgotten, we can both go back to sleep. Yup, her eyes are half closed. She's getting too big to carry, or I'm getting too old to carry her.

Later.

How do you know all of this? I appreciate the thought you put into it, but just wondering why I should believe you over Jobs, Isaacson, and Woz?
 
How do you know all of this? I appreciate the thought you put into it, but just wondering why I should believe you over Jobs, Isaacson, and Woz?

It is an excellent question. Years before Apple was formed, years before I married, I was in lust with Binky. Never reciprocated, but a friendship developed. Whenever I visited California, frequently since I had relatives there, and my younger brother had moved there, I'd drop in on Binky. She had become early Apple's mother hen. Usually I was accompanied by my wife, and later our children. My second visit I met Ramsey and Atkinson in the area used as a lunch room. I had been sitting at a table, when Ramsey said something insulting to Binky, and I stood up. He shut up. I glared at him, and Atkinson started laughing, saying to me, "he carries two guns." I opened my jacket replying "I only need one." Binky calmed things down quickly with introductions, and the conversation moved to number theory, both Bill and David surprised I could hold my own in the conversation. Before he left, Bill told me he had never seen David back down from anyone, for any reason, but this time David had met a whole different form of menace.

Over the next few years, as I visited with my wife, we'd socialize with Binky and friends after work, and her friends were mostly Apple employees. My wife drew people to her like flies to honey, including Steve who stumbled over his words the first time they spoke. I might have given them second thoughts, but she was another story. The conversations enabled some minor friendships, not others, but we got to hear much in the way of inside stories and details about Apple staff. Never from Steve. I bought stock when the company did its IPO, and made some lifelong relationships with Bill, David, and others who later joined Apple. I am a major Apple stockholder today (not as big as others), and make it my business to keep on top of what goes on at the company. Over the decades I earned small fortunes trading Apple.

Binky, Bill and David are long gone from Apple, as are many of the characters I first met there. I don't know if there is anyone left at Apple from its first Jobs era? I'm still friendly with all three, especially Binky who now lives in Park Slope, in a restored mansion, with her long time honey, Paul, a screenwriter. Now and then they join us at family gatherings. David, when he comes to NYC, with his wife, stays with us. Tho that is increasingly rare as we all age.

Believe what you choose. No insult taken. Everyone remembers every story differently. Tho some stories are engineered, for a variety of reasons, inclusive of maintaining a mystique. The "Rashomon" effect. :)

BTW, I enjoy seeing WOZ in Videos. The man is still having fun, which was always his main motivation.
 
It is an excellent question. Years before Apple was formed, years before I married, I was in lust with Binky. Never reciprocated, but a friendship developed. Whenever I visited California, frequently since I had relatives there, and my younger brother had moved there, I'd drop in on Binky. She had become early Apple's mother hen. Usually I was accompanied by my wife, and later our children. My second visit I met Ramsey and Atkinson in the area used as a lunch room. I had been sitting at a table, when Ramsey said something insulting to Binky, and I stood up. He shut up. I glared at him, and Atkinson started laughing, saying to me, "he carries two guns." I opened my jacket replying "I only need one." Binky calmed things down quickly with introductions, and the conversation moved to number theory, both Bill and David surprised I could hold my own in the conversation. Before he left, Bill told me he had never seen David back down from anyone, for any reason, but this time David had met a whole different form of menace.

Over the next few years, as I visited with my wife, we'd socialize with Binky and friends after work, and her friends were mostly Apple employees. My wife drew people to her like flies to honey, including Steve who stumbled over his words the first time they spoke. I might have given them second thoughts, but she was another story. The conversations enabled some minor friendships, not others, but we got to hear much in the way of inside stories and details about Apple staff. Never from Steve. I bought stock when the company did its IPO, and made some lifelong relationships with Bill, David, and others who later joined Apple. I am a major Apple stockholder today (not as big as others), and make it my business to keep on top of what goes on at the company. Over the decades I earned small fortunes trading Apple.

Binky, Bill and David are long gone from Apple, as are many of the characters I first met there. I don't know if there is anyone left at Apple from its first Jobs era? I'm still friendly with all three, especially Binky who now lives in Park Slope, in a restored mansion, with her long time honey, Paul, a screenwriter. Now and then they join us at family gatherings. David, when he comes to NYC, with his wife, stays with us. Tho that is increasingly rare as we all age.

Believe what you choose. No insult taken. Everyone remembers every story differently. Tho some stories are engineered, for a variety of reasons, inclusive of maintaining a mystique. The "Rashomon" effect. :)

BTW, I enjoy seeing WOZ in Videos. The man is still having fun, which was always his main motivation.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing that!
 
There's been talk lately that Elon Musk is becoming increasingly mentally unstable. Yesterday, I listened to him on Joe Rogan's podcast and let's just say it didn't sound like he was in salesman mode trying to pump up his companies stock. He took a hit off of a blunt (or joint), drank whiskey, and talked about subjects like how one may think it would be great to be him, but it actually isn't because he can't shut down the constant flow of ideas, or how difficult it is to run car companies esp. while having so many other things going on, like selling mock flamethrowers. I didn't know much about him before this podcast but actually kind of liked him and his honesty. Not sure if I would invest in him though. What do you think?



After a shot of whiskey and some weed no one is in salesman mode, anyone doing that will like watch the aqua teen hunger force marathon followed by the scooby doo marathon and order some pizza while talking about dumb crap non stoners would never understand.
 
Yeah yeah, and you sticks in the mud also said landing and reusing a rocket was a unicorn style fantasy land, so was an attractive and affordable electric car, or online banking in the 90's. You'll always criticize and whine about the technological advancements of others without providing any yourself. I suspect your comment about "progressives playing fast and loose with science and physics" is likely based on some kind of climate change or evolution denial. This is why you're on an internet forum and he's running many successful businesses and dramatically changing mankind through his technology.

Ahh, the strategy of the person who can't actually debate the substance of the subject, so they rely on misguided and totally inaccurate personal insults!

Ok, instead of continuing to allow the conversation to devolve into a name calling session, I'll point out the holes in your "theories" about me. First, I believe 100% in science, chemistry AND evolution. But apparently unlike yourself, I DONT blindly swallow every scientific hypothesis that comes down the pike, without first using basic science to EVALUATE the hypothesis.

There used to be many, MANY scientists who blindly supported the "phlogiston theory". It was even supported by big name scientists! Turns out, phlogiston was completely bogus and non existent! Scientists get stuff wrong all the time. The 'hyperloop" is an extremely unsafe, non viable system of transportation, and I base that on obvious SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES!

I can't get the app to allow me to post videos, so I'll tell you to look up "hyperloop debunked". There are multiple videos from actual scientists, who clearly guide you through the very basic physics, safety AND cost related problems with it.

In the future, remember that you don't make your intelligence look quite as superior as you assume it to be, by making knee-jerk personal insult leaps, by claiming that anyone who disagrees with a flawed scientific principle, is an evolution and science denier! Considering your views on this issue and this conversation, it actually seems that I am more scientific minded than you!
 
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