Is Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was?

[plutonium]

No, you only need to go back to Obama.

Obama expelled 34 russians diplomats and their families and seized their real estate in america. What has trump done but just half way talk and lie about being tough but of course not in Putins face

 

[bubbabgone]

LMAO - I take it you haven't met very many people from the former USSR.

Wish I had seen your posts earlier.
I went a few rounds with the pollster on this very theme myself.
I kinda felt bad for him but he kept at it.
Insisting Russia and the USSR are interchangeable.
I see his depth of understanding was clear right after your #14 (the one I'm replying to) when he said the Soviet Union "broke into" "states" ... like they hadn't already been those "states" before being absorbed by Russia.
Some people like the pollster really don't like to be wrong.
Not admitting it is their complaint about Trump.
Sweet irony.

 

[bubbabgone]

Obama expelled 34 russians diplomats and their families and seized their real estate in america. What has trump done but just half way talk and lie about being tough but of course not in Putins face

Trump expelled 60.

 

[cuban smokes]

TrumPutin acts like he owes Putin something & what that is all about I could only guess

TrumPutin certainly acts as if he is a 'controlled asset' of either Putin and/or Russian interests

TrumPutin would not be acting like he is so beholden to Putin/Russia unless these people have something on TrumPutin

 

[cuban smokes]

What is purported to have happened or perceived in public is not necessarily the defining feature of a foreign policy initiative. I don't think Trump handled the press conference very well, but It's hardly an indicator of his policy, so I'm not going to go all hysteric about it. The republic stands.

If TrumPutin's words in the Helsinki fiasco would have been action TrumPutin's lips would have been all over Putin's body; mainly the most private areas ........

 

[Hatuey]

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Finally, you let your true reason for complaining about the thread be known. Obama wasn't named.

How embarrassing it must be to complain about a thread, and then be in a tiny minority complaining about it.

Oh well. 40+ participants who didn't have an issue.

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[PTF]

Question...

" Is Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was? "

In a way yes.
Our President Trump is in control in a subtle way.

 

[Hatuey]

Question...

" Is Donald Trump tougher on Moscow (Russia/USSR) than Ronald Reagan was? "

In a way yes.
Our President Trump is in control in a subtle way.

.. this does not seem to be what our foreign policy experts think. Did you get the impression by listening to those he brought on as advisers?

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[VanceMack]

"When you actually look at the substance of what this administration has done, not the rhetoric but the substance, this administration has been much tougher on Russia than any in the post-Cold War era," said Daniel Vajdich, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council."

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia

 

[jamesrage]

I am no fan of Trump. But this is bogus question due to the fact Russia and the Soviet Union are not the same countries.One was a communist/socialist state, the other is not. Its like asking "Is Trump tougher on Germany than Roosevelt was", "Is Trump tougher on Japan than Roosevelt was" or "Is Trump tougher on Ottoman Empire/Turkey(and all the other countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire) than Wilson"?

 

[The Mark]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-results-will-come-with-putin-idUSKBN1K814I



Given the president's latest statements on his actions towards, Russia, I thought it should be put to a vote. Ronald Reagan dealt directly with Moscow (Former capital of the USSR/Present capital of Russia) throughout his entire tenure. Is it true that Trump has been tougher than every president before him, Reagan included? The option are as follows:

- Yes, he was tougher than every other president; Reagan included.
- No, he was not tougher than every other president; Reagan was tougher.
- No, he was not tougher than every other presidents; many others were tougher (please provide examples).
- I do not know.

Please note that this threads is for DP members only. Secondly whatever your answer is, the topic of this thread is not a discussion on whether Trump lied, but whether his statements were accurate - as such the answers reflect choices which look at the accuracy of his statements. That is because a person can be inaccurate without necessarily lying.

Discuss.

I think Trump wants to be less confrontational with Russia, but I don't know what the reasons for that are (certainly, I don't trust that what Trump says they are is the full reason, or for that matter any of the reason).

Sanctions and policies in place from before he took office remain in place, although there are arguments for that being despite Trump's personal wishes.

We did kick out all those Russian diplomatic staff, although there are claims Trump didn't want to do that either.


I'm not sure I believe the narrative that he's in part or in whole subservient to Putin for some reason, but there are certainly known facts which indicate such is at least possible.

 

[Linc]

If TrumPutin's words in the Helsinki fiasco would have been action TrumPutin's lips would have been all over Putin's body; mainly the most private areas ........

More like Hell-sinki — trump is MRSA — making Russia strong again — putin was a KGB agent for the Soviet Union — he is now rebuilding the Soviet Union, with far more than appeasement from his gop/trump benefactors—

gop regulars are complicit and colluding — 50% of Republicans support Putin over our Armed Forces — trump calls our CIA Nazis — none of this and so much more can get through to trump Farmers getting screwed on tariffs — trump is a festering BOIL — Blatant Outrageous Irrational Liar

 

[Moderate Right]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ig-results-will-come-with-putin-idUSKBN1K814I



Given the president's latest statements on his actions towards, Russia, I thought it should be put to a vote. Ronald Reagan dealt directly with Moscow (Former capital of the USSR/Present capital of Russia) throughout his entire tenure. Is it true that Trump has been tougher than every president before him, Reagan included? The option are as follows:

- Yes, he was tougher than every other president; Reagan included.
- No, he was not tougher than every other president; Reagan was tougher.
- No, he was not tougher than every other presidents; many others were tougher (please provide examples).
- I do not know.

Please note that this threads is for DP members only. Secondly whatever your answer is, the topic of this thread is not a discussion on whether Trump lied, but whether his statements were accurate - as such the answers reflect choices which look at the accuracy of his statements. That is because a person can be inaccurate without necessarily lying.

Discuss.

I would actually like to hear the left's argument of how Obama was tougher on Russia than Trump. Obama let Russia annex Crimea. He didn't stand up to Russia in Syria. When Obama found out that Russia was trying to meddle in our election, Obama asked Russia to please stop and told our agencies to stand down and let Russia go ahead. Oh yeah, after Hillary lost Obama closed down a spy compound and expelled some Russians and put sanctions on Russia and had previously put sanctions on Russia over the Crimea thing. I didn't vote because I really didn't see an option I liked. At first the question seems kind of funny in regards to Trump but then when you really think about it, Obama was pretty damn weak regarding Russia until after Hillary lost.

 

[Hatuey]

I would actually like to hear the left's argument of how Obama was tougher on Russia than Trump. Obama let Russia annex Crimea. He didn't stand up to Russia in Syria. When Obama found out that Russia was trying to meddle in our election, Obama asked Russia to please stop and told our agencies to stand down and let Russia go ahead. Oh yeah, after Hillary lost Obama closed down a spy compound and expelled some Russians and put sanctions on Russia and had previously put sanctions on Russia over the Crimea thing. I didn't vote because I really didn't see an option I liked. At first the question seems kind of funny in regards to Trump but then when you really think about it, Obama was pretty damn weak regarding Russia until after Hillary lost.

The question wasn't about Obama vs Trump. It is about Trump's comment that he was tougher than any other president before. Numerous posters have understood that the thread is not a comparison between Trump and Obama but does look to assess whether people agree with his statement.

Now I am sure you'll go on and on about how we didn't really understand what he was trying to say, and what he meant was stronger than Obama - but it was already posted and there is no mention of being tougher than a particular president, just the toughest.

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[Moderate Right]

The question wasn't about Obama vs Trump. It is about Trump's comment that he was tougher than any other president before. Numerous posters have understood that the thread is not a comparison between Trump and Obama but does look to assess whether people agree with his statement.

Now I am sure you'll go on and on about how we didn't really understand what he was trying to say, and what he meant was stronger than Obama - but it was already posted and there is no mention of being tougher than a particular president, just the toughest.

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Well, since Trump hasn't even been president for two years:

A. He is in no position to make such claims

B. His critics are in no position to make any claims either

 

[Hatuey]

Well, since Trump hasn't even been president for two years:

A. He is in no position to make such claims

B. His critics are in no position to make any claims either

If he can't claim a victory, then his critics can't claim his defeat. Sounds about right. No winning for liberals in your world - even when Trump is being widely criticized by all except the minority that brought him into power.

Legit.

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[Moderate Right]

If he can't claim a victory, then his critics can't claim his defeat. Sounds about right. No winning for liberals in your world - even when Trump is being widely criticized by all except the minority that brought him into power.

Legit.

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In the scheme of things, a difference or 1.5% in the popular vote really doesn't have a minority. Also, Trump campaigned for the electoral vote, not the national popular vote. If he would have campaigned for the popular vote he would have surely had more votes. How many more, is impossible to say but it would not have been less votes.

 

[Hatuey]

In the scheme of things, a difference or 1.5% in the popular vote really doesn't have a minority. Also, Trump campaigned for the electoral vote, not the national popular vote. If he would have campaigned for the popular vote he would have surely had more votes. How many more, is impossible to say but it would not have been less votes.

... What do you think a minority is? Are you seriously complaining that the word minority was used because that's what it was?

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[Moderate Right]

... What do you think a minority is? Are you seriously complaining that the word minority was used because that's what it was?

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The voting was basically 50/50. No matter who won, neither candidate had a mandate for anything.

 

[Hatuey]

The voting was basically 50/50. No matter who won, neither candidate had a mandate for anything.

I don't think you have understood that losing the popular vote by millions does not make it basically 50/50. Are you genuinely complaining that the word minority was used?



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[Moderate Right]

I don't think you have understood that losing the popular vote by millions does not make it basically 50/50. Are you genuinely complaining that the word minority was used?



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Neither had a mandate for anything