Is Donald Trump doing a good job as President?

[Nap]

Why should we hinder ourselves in the mean time?

Not sure I understand the question given the context of the conversation.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

While I fundamentally agree that his behavior is unbecoming of a President. The point of it being a detrimental effect on our standing in the world is rather ridiculous. Our standing in the world is essentially guaranteed by our military might. We could elect Lord Buckethead and we would not lose our standing simply because the US government has the power (rightly or wrongly) to enforce what ever it would like.

I respectfully disagree. Our security is "essentially guaranteed by our military might". Maybe in a world where we were the only nuclear powered and could just order everyone to give us what we want "or else" you might have a point. But that isn't the world we live in.

 

[radcen]

Not sure I understand the question given the context of the conversation.

Your point about the Presidency being a revolving door is well taken. We do change our leader more frequently than most other countries do. And yes, they probably know that they can ride it out and eventually get back to some semblance of sanity. But, in the mean time we're beginning to be shunned, and while it's not really huge, it's still having a negative effect. Why should we just brush off 4 or 8 years of negative effect when we shouldn't have to?

 

[Nap]

I respectfully disagree. Our security is "essentially guaranteed by our military might". Maybe in a world where we were the only nuclear powered and could just order everyone to give us what we want "or else" you might have a point. But that isn't the world we live in.

You are forgetting it isn't simply our security that is guaranteed by our military. Many nations depend on the security that the US provides.

What is to stop the US from doing what they want? We constantly interfere in elections, spy on allies, topple regimes we don't like, and overall just act like a real bastard in the global scheme. The only reason nothing has been done against the US is because they can't.

 

[Nap]

Your point about the Presidency being a revolving door is well taken. We do change our leader more frequently than most other countries do. And yes, they probably know that they can ride it out and eventually get back to some semblance of sanity. But, in the mean time we're beginning to be shunned, and while it's not really huge, it's still having a negative effect. Why should we just brush off 4 or 8 years of negative effect when we shouldn't have to?

That is an entirely different argument and ultimately I don't really care. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Trump were impeached tomorrow, but I think there may be some backlash should he get impeached without cause.

 

[cuban smokes]

if one considers turning the Presidency into a full tilt reality ****ing TV show & having made Twitter more popular than Herpes, then Don Cheeto has done a dandy ****ing job .......

 

[radcen]

That is an entirely different argument and ultimately I don't really care. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Trump were impeached tomorrow, but I think there may be some backlash should he get impeached without cause.

It's all wrapped together.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The worst sitting president - Democrat or Republican - in my lifetime. Not even close.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

The worst sitting president - Democrat or Republican - in my lifetime. Not even close.

And being enabled by the most immoral congress in history

 

[radcen]

And being enabled by the most immoral congress in history

...and not even well.

 

[Captain Adverse]

You may not agree that Trump has made hundreds of factually untrue statements but he has. Washington Post Fact Checker: In 151 days, President Trump has made 669 false and misleading claims

I have to note the irony of the complaining. Trump is the guy who fouls and then is the first to cry foul. He spent seven years questioning the legitimacy of the previous president. The called HRC "crooked." He disparaged Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz's father. Now, when there are legitimate reasons to look into whether his campaign colluded with the Russian hack, not only does he deny that there ever was a hack, which intelligence officials say is certain, but he cries that it is a 'witch hunt.' For me, when I see Trump speak abrasively about the leaders of Britain, Germany, Australia, etc. but only has praise for Putin, there is something going on there.

As Harry Truman said, "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Trump wanted this job and the heat from the free press, the political opposition and the public go along with the job. It's not all about making speeches in front of swooning fans.

Washington Post "fact checker?" Maybe I'd give it more faith and credit back in the days of Woodward and Bernstein. Not today, the way they like to twist facts to meet a narrative. :coffeepap:

P.S. Before you ask, the answer is no I did not read the article. I don't feel like spending time providing counter-evidence that will be dismissed as partisan slant on my part.

I'm sorry I even bothered to respond to this red herring anyway. I should know better. :shrug:

 

[MTAtech]

Washington Post "fact checker?" Maybe I'd give it more faith and credit back in the days of Woodward and Bernstein. Not today, the way they like to twist facts to meet a narrative. :coffeepap:

P.S. Before you ask, the answer is no I did not read the article. I don't feel like spending time providing counter-evidence that will be dismissed as partisan slant on my part.

I'm sorry I even bothered to respond to this red herring anyway. I should know better. :shrug:

It must be comforting to subject yourself to cognitive dissonance so that you only believe what you want to believe. That doesn't make what you don't believe untrue.

T r u m p ’ s L i e s
We have catalogued nearly every outright lie the president has told publicly since taking the oath of office.

 

[Captain Adverse]

It must be comforting to subject yourself to cognitive dissonance so that you only believe what you want to believe. That doesn't make what you don't believe untrue.

T r u m p ’ s L i e s
We have catalogued nearly every outright lie the president has told publicly since taking the oath of office.

Said the pot to the kettle. :roll:

 

[upsideguy]

The proof is in the facts.

True. Never before has a POTUS driven is approval rating under 40% during the honeymoon period.... could it be because he has zero legislative accomplishments during the period.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

 

[DiAnna]

In five months he has embraced countries with atrocious human rights abuses, and alienated nearly all of our allies. The only thing seemingly on Trump's mind is himself. Trump flat scares me to death. I'm afraid this reckless, impetuous, self-absorbed man will continue shooting off his mouth until we end up in another real war shooting bullets, missiles or worse.

Anything that makes Putin smile and rub his hands together like a fly on a sugar lump should scare all of us.

 

[Linc]

We can only imagine how our republicon friends would be acting if trump was a democrat.

155 days of lies, broken promises, twitter storms, unforced errors, dysfunctionality, embrace of the world's dictators and trashing of our allies.

especially after GOP behavior the last 8 years;

why is the bipartisan senate Russia sanctions bill passed 97-2 stalled in the house ?

 

[Parrish]

We can only imagine how our republicon friends would be acting if trump was a democrat.

155 days of lies, broken promises, twitter storms, unforced errors, dysfunctionality, embrace of the world's dictators and trashing of our allies.

especially after GOP behavior the last 8 years;

why is the bipartisan senate Russia sanctions bill passed 97-2 stalled in the house ?

Because they don't want to offend Putin and welcome their help in electing 45 and future Republican candidates?

 

[Winston]

Simple question that I'm sure will end in a respectable and dignified manner.

Fight broke out on the first page, haha.

If you've read my posts, you know I don't support Donald Trump. I don't like his personality or his politics and it would please me greatly to see him embarassed and disgraced in some very public way... other than the embarassment of him just speaking on any topic to any group of people.

 

[Puigb]

The worst sitting president - Democrat or Republican - in my lifetime. Not even close.

He's probably had the worst first five months for any president ever...but isn't it a bit early to rank him below Bush II?

 

[Winston]

Honestly, this is the best answer for me. For a sports analogy, its like people wanting a to determine if a particular draft class was "good" after 3 games; you can give an answer, but it's going to be largely worthless in the grand scheme of things.

For me at least, by and large, there's not been a lot of tangible things with regards to Trumps presidency in EITHER direction. A fair bit of fluff, of which there was a lot of stupidity, much of his own making and a fair amount that wasn't, as well as a few things I actually agreed with.

For me, there's been two big things thus far that have tangibly occurred...

The destruction of the Net Neutrality rules

The appointment of Neil Gorsuch

Both have potential long term ramifications on the country that are wide ranging and far greater than the potential 4/8 years of Trumps Presidency. The Net Neutrality one is a big negative in my mind, while Gorsuch's appointment is a big positive, and will likely be a bit more wide ranging. So as of now, for me personally, it's more positive than negative, but still way to early to make any kind of definitive determinations on it.

Net Neutrality is done for? My knee-jerk reaction is that the 'wild west' nature of the internet I grew up with is going to cease to be. No good.

Well, I agree that there has been little so far. But, what do we expect? We expect Republicans to pass health care legislation and tax reform. Both of which we can expect to primarily benefit the upper middle to the high echelons of classes. Other than that, Trump has signed 10's of EO's. I wouldn't be surprised if he's signed 100 EO's. Is that ordinary?

Do you know if any "reviews" or "deadlines" were met with his EO's? My takeaway from the freight train of EO's, is that Trump was going for an easy photo op, because he likes to get his picture taken, and that the people he put in charge of the bureacracy would've made a lot of those changes anyway, without Trump feeling important. And ~ you know, that's whatever, I'm sure government was still a shiny, sparkly bauble to Trump as of him signing those EO's.

We also haven't seen crisis Trump yet. When something happens, be it an act of God or act of War, crisis Trump will have to show himself and do his best to exercise prudence and sagacity.

 

[Socrates1]

Too much here to comment on properly, so I'll just focus on the two in red.

Please explain, how Trump is directly responsible for these. Provide specifics. Connect the dots.

Simple , when investors and corporations have confidence in the path of the economy it reflects in NEW gains . 21,394 !!! :lol:

 

[Socrates1]

I'd like to see the evidence of any of those claims -- and the policies that might make that happen.

On the military, "re-building our military" is vague. What specifically was left unbuilt in the military?
On jobs, the monthly job gains are consistent with the job gains under Obama. In February, the jobs gained were 232,000 compared to Feb 2016 of 237,000; March 2017 was 50,000 compared to March 2016 of 225,000; April was 174,000 compared to April 2016 of 153,000; May 2017 was 138,000 compared to April 2016 of 297,000. The evidence doesn't show any remarkable job gains.

The stock market has been rising since 2009. Of course, Trump cultists only notice recently.

Spending directed at the military has increased , we are respected again ! Unemployment rate the lowest in 20 years ! 21, 394 continued new highs , NEVER BEFORE !! All Obama done was drive up the deficit , divide our nation , and SPY on 5 MILLION AMERICANS !

 

[radcen]

Simple , when investors and corporations have confidence in the path of the economy it reflects in NEW gains . 21,394 !!! :lol:

I see. You cannot actually cite anything or connect any dots. But yes, you are correct, that IS simple. Too bad the simple answer is also an incorrect answer.

Fact is that the DJIA has been rising steadily for approximately 8 years now. Pretty much clear through the Obama administration, as well. So, by your own clearly stated criteria, Obama was a master genius regarding the economy.

Or, by separating out only "NEW gains" you're admitting to being a willfully dishonest cherry-picker? Sorry, you don't get to have it both ways. Pick one.

 

[MTAtech]

Spending directed at the military has increased , we are respected again ! Unemployment rate the lowest in 20 years ! 21, 394 continued new highs , NEVER BEFORE !! All Obama done was drive up the deficit , divide our nation , and SPY on 5 MILLION AMERICANS !

Please don't pretend you're having a serious conversation. There has been no increase in military spending under Trump, since they're still working on the current budget.
The unemployment rate is merely following a continued trend started under Obama and there has been NO policy under Trump that is poised to significantly increase jobs (unless you include all the new attorney jobs because Trump's people are all lawyering up and the boom in late-night comedy.) But while we're on that, remember a few months ago, Trump made a big deal about saving 600 jobs at Carrier? CNBC: Trump's Carrier deal is not living up to the hype — jobs still going to Mexico. But what does it matter? Trump got a photo-op and that's all that matters to him.

It's really breathtaking that you people were complaining about unemployment under Obama but now unemployment is terrific - when nothing significant has changed.

As Radcen said before, the stock market is merely continuing on the same path as existed under Obama.

Regarding the deficit, below is a graph of the last year of monthly deficits. Trump hasn't done anything to address deficits and his tax plan will increase the deficit by another trillion a year.