Is anyone else joyous that Fox News, Rush and Sean got in bed with Donald Trump?

[trouble13]

We were doing so great until you lost me at that. I know you believe what you are saying but it has been covered and debunked many times.


As to the threat. Threat to do what?

My list is inaccurate? I wasnt being critical. Everything i listed are topics of debate. What did i put on the list that is inaccurate?



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[trouble13]

Now you understand the game the right is playing.

Can you give me an example so i understand what you mean?

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[ataraxia]

Ol' Curtis is showing some top quality tolerance there!

And the left keeps saying it's the right that's divisive.

It’s not OK to tolerate bullying, lying, intolerance, bigotry, divisiveness, petty tribalism, and irrational fear and hatred.

 

[AProudLefty]

My list is inaccurate? I wasnt being critical. Everything i listed are topics of debate. What did i put on the list that is inaccurate?



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A yuge whopper? Late term abortion.

 

[Amelia]

Should i feel threatened by it?
My point is that there is a difference between a criticism and an insult. Calling someone a big orange baby is an insult.

A threat however has a seperate denifition from both an insult or a criticism. A threat implies a punitive response in retailiation for undesirable behavior.

Dancing around what it is being communicated using semantics is cowardly. (See what i just did there?) I can hide behind semantics like many do on this site and claim i did not technically call you a coward but the inference of my statement is obvious.

Ftr so theres no missunderstanding, i dont think you are a coward. I dont agree with you politically but i respect how sincere your posts are. I only said what i said to illustrate the point of how what was said can easily be percieved to be a threat just like what i said could be percieved as an insult.

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That is a nice, polite post. Thank you for the compliment.

Nevertheless, I repeat my objection to you labeling this as a threat: "The way people behaved in the Trump era will not be forgotten soon."

It is a high-probability prediction. And there is nothing wrong with it. We need to remember how people behaved in the Trump era. People, including Trump, have been behaving in ways that we thought were decades in the past. We got complacent. We need to remember how quickly a charismatic, jingoistic conman can turn citizens' frustration into something very dark and dangerous.

We must not forget. People who support Trump need to do a gut check and ask if they will be proud to be remembered for supporting someone like that. I think that in a decade most will be pretending they never did support him. They're caught up in the cognitive dissonance now and don't see a way to admit how bad he is because they can't admit what they've signed on to. But in a few years, when we have closed the chapter on Trump, most will gradually find a way to distance themselves from even remembering that they were fine with someone who loved and wanted to be one of the world's dictators and demonized the U.S. institutions which have been tasked with keeping presidents accountable.

 

[trouble13]

A yuge whopper? Late term abortion.

Really?
I was under the impression they wanted it to be legal into the 3rd trimester

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[AProudLefty]

Really?
I was under the impression they wanted it to be legal into the 3rd trimester

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The impression came from the right-wing source.

 

[AProudLefty]

That is a nice, polite post. Thank you for the compliment.

Nevertheless, I repeat my objection to you labeling this as a threat: "The way people behaved in the Trump era will not be forgotten soon."

It is a high-probability prediction. And there is nothing wrong with it. We need to remember how people behaved in the Trump era. People, including Trump, have been behaving in ways that we thought were decades in the past. We got complacent. We need to remember how quickly a charismatic, jingoistic conman can turn citizens' frustration into something very dark and dangerous.

We must not forget. People who support Trump need to do a gut check and ask if they will be proud to be remembered for supporting someone like that. I think that in a decade most will be pretending they never did support him. They're caught up in the cognitive dissonance now and don't see a way to admit how bad he is because they can't admit what they've signed on to. But in a few years, when we have closed the chapter on Trump, most will gradually find a way to distance themselves from even remembering that they were fine with someone who loved and wanted to be one of the world's dictators and demonized the U.S. institutions which have been tasked with keeping presidents accountable.

So much this. Thank you.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Where is the threat?

History is going to remember this era unkindly.

How are you threatened by people saying so?



Pointing out that there are negative consequences which will come from any significant portion of this nation holding Trump as worthy to lead the nation is not a threat. Trump is out there bemoaning the loss of the good old days when people could be shot for daring to report on the wrongdoing of someone like him. But in your eyes, MovingPictures is the one making a threat for saying that the support that people gave to that man who talked that way will not be forgotten.

This isn't the first thread today where I've seen someone act like poor little Trumpsters are being attacked just by people saying negative things about them for supporting a terrible person.

So many victims. So many jaw-dropping victims whining about being threatened and attacked for supporting someone who is held up as a hero for the attacks he makes on others. And now the poor orange baby is again saying he's the most mistreated president of all time. We're so mean to criticize him for using hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars as leverage to solicit attacks on Joe Biden. And we're threatening people to say that we, intelligent people with memories, will remember that they supported that criminal. How dare we.


I just sprained my eyes rolling them back so far in my head.

Very well said Amelia, good to hear from the sane folks here who haven't been hypnotized by the Gaslighter in Chief or intoxicated by his poisonous koolaid.

 

[trouble13]

That is a nice, polite post. Thank you for the compliment.

Nevertheless, I repeat my objection to you labeling this as a threat: "The way people behaved in the Trump era will not be forgotten soon."

It is a high-probability prediction. And there is nothing wrong with it. We need to remember how people behaved in the Trump era. People, including Trump, have been behaving in ways that we thought were decades in the past. We got complacent. We need to remember how quickly a charismatic, jingoistic conman can turn citizens' frustration into something very dark and dangerous.

We must not forget. People who support Trump need to do a gut check and ask if they will be proud to be remembered for supporting someone like that. I think that in a decade most will be pretending they never did support him. They're caught up in the cognitive dissonance now and don't see a way to admit how bad he is because they can't admit what they've signed on to. But in a few years, when we have closed the chapter on Trump, most will gradually find a way to distance themselves from even remembering that they were fine with someone who loved and wanted to be one of the world's dictators and demonized the U.S. institutions which have been tasked with keeping presidents accountable.

You speak like i should hsve something to be ashamed of because i support president Trump? I can honestly say that i dont share your view and i dont think you understand the reasons why i do. I get the impression that you take it as a personsl attack and that the intent is to make the country more bigoted

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[trouble13]

The impression came from the right-wing source.

Ok well its not really something i care about enough to debate. I did not intend to mischaracterize their positions. My point was that Trumps positions dont align with them too much.

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[AProudLefty]

Ok well its not really something i care about enough to debate. I did not intend to mischaracterize their positions. My point was that Trumps positions dont align with them too much.

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I understand. Pettiness and childish tactics shouldn't align with anyone so much anyway.

 

[Amelia]

You speak like i should hsve something to be ashamed of because i support president Trump? I can honestly say that i dont share your view and i dont think you understand the reasons why i do. I get the impression that you take it as a personsl attack and that the intent is to make the country more bigoted

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Your impression is wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by "it" but I don't take your beliefs or anything in this thread as a personal attack. I don't even take Trump's corruption and wrecking-ball behavior as a personal attack -- we're nothing to him -- so it can't be personal. I don't even think anyone other than the less than 10% of his base who are actually white nationalists intend to make the country more bigoted.

So, your impression is wrong.


Yes, basically I think you do have something to be ashamed of because you support Trump, and I understand you don't share my view. I even think my saintly stepmother would be squeamish about some of the things she is implicitly supporting when she supports Trump -- if I were willing to talk with her about it -- but I am not, because she is dear to me and I don't want to distress her. Maybe in ten years you and I will still be forum acquaintances and we can have a chat about whether you're proud to have supported Trump, or whether your version of your past support will have a lot of asterisks on it, a lot of qualifiers explaining how it wasn't actually him and his ignorance, destructiveness, corruption, hate-mongering rhetoric, etc. which you supported, but some other goal you had which you felt he presented the best chance of helping achieve in spite of his extreme abuses.

 

[Jay Falcon]

Your impression is wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by "it" but I don't take your beliefs or anything in this thread as a personal attack. I don't even take Trump's corruption and wrecking-ball behavior as a personal attack -- we're nothing to him -- so it can't be personal. I don't even think anyone other than the less than 10% of his base who are actually white nationalists intend to make the country more bigoted.

So, your impression is wrong.


Yes, basically I think you do have something to be ashamed of because you support Trump, and I understand you don't share my view. I even think my saintly stepmother would be squeamish about some of the things she is implicitly supporting when she supports Trump -- if I were willing to talk with her about it -- but I am not, because she is dear to me and I don't want to distress her. Maybe in ten years you and I will still be forum acquaintances and we can have a chat about whether you're proud to have supported Trump, or whether your version of your past support will have a lot of asterisks on it, a lot of qualifiers explaining how it wasn't actually him and his ignorance, destructiveness, corruption, hate-mongering rhetoric, etc. which you supported, but some other goal you had which you felt he presented the best chance of helping achieve in spite of his extreme abuses.

That was beautifully put.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Is anyone else joyous that Fox News, Rush and Sean got in bed with Donald Trump?

I'm not joyous that any American sides with this corrupt manchild. I am surprised though that there is room in Trump's bed for so many people. He's already in bed with the dictators of N. Korea, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc., etc. He must have a very special, very beautiful, very magnificent, best in the whole wide world, super golden Trump sized bed with waterproof sheets and pillow cases. Always in bed with someone for his own personal gain, and always on the bottom.

 

[smallvoice]

That's like the best thing of this entire Trump era. It pulled people right out (famous or not) and made them show us who they really are. I mean who they REALLY are.

I want to thank Trump for that.

Since your basic premise is false, your argument fails....

 

[trouble13]

I understand. Pettiness and childish tactics shouldn't align with anyone so much anyway.

Lol you just cant help yourself can you

I guess i should throw a cheap shot back but im gonna decline

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[AProudLefty]

Lol you just cant help yourself can you

I guess i should throw a cheap shot back but im gonna decline

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Oh the last sentence was about Trump.

 

[trouble13]

Your impression is wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean by "it" but I don't take your beliefs or anything in this thread as a personal attack. I don't even take Trump's corruption and wrecking-ball behavior as a personal attack -- we're nothing to him -- so it can't be personal. I don't even think anyone other than the less than 10% of his base who are actually white nationalists intend to make the country more bigoted.

So, your impression is wrong.


Yes, basically I think you do have something to be ashamed of because you support Trump, and I understand you don't share my view. I even think my saintly stepmother would be squeamish about some of the things she is implicitly supporting when she supports Trump -- if I were willing to talk with her about it -- but I am not, because she is dear to me and I don't want to distress her. Maybe in ten years you and I will still be forum acquaintances and we can have a chat about whether you're proud to have supported Trump, or whether your version of your past support will have a lot of asterisks on it, a lot of qualifiers explaining how it wasn't actually him and his ignorance, destructiveness, corruption, hate-mongering rhetoric, etc. which you supported, but some other goal you had which you felt he presented the best chance of helping achieve in spite of his extreme abuses.

I find what your saying so interesting.

What i meant by "it" is people choosing to support Trumps positions over yours. Maybe not you but it seems like many people are taking it personal. As if it was done to spite them. Thats wjat i was alluding too.

Whats fascinating to me reading your post is that your basically politely are telling i should be ashsmed but am too ignorant to see it. That does not offend me, who knows maybe your correct and i just dont see something that you do.

Im not embarrassed by all the nasty lables people try to hang on me for disagreeig with them which is what i feel people who try to shame others often do.

What i believe is in is
1. an equal and fair justice system for everyone.
2. Equal opprotunities for people to suceed or fail
3. Privacy rights
4. The right for people to associate or disassociate with whom they choose.
5. Not necessarily a smaller government but more locslized goverance.

I'd really need to think hard to explain it all in greater detsil but those 5 concepts are a fair rough draft of my guiding principles. Im not ashamed of any of it. I adhere to them as best as i can and i fight to move oeople opinions in those directions.

When Trump strays outside of those principles i criticize him for doing so. I just dont agree with most of the criticisms progressives have for him. I find many of them to be rather selfserving and unfair.

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[trouble13]

Oh the last sentence was about Trump.

Yes i understood that you meant him not me allthough you could of intended to imply guilt by association. Either case snything i could say would be counterproductive to my own intent of speaking to you.

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[AProudLefty]

Yes i understood that you meant him not me allthough you could of intended to imply guilt by association. Either case snything i could say would be counterproductive to my own intent of speaking to you.

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It was in reference to your sentence, " My point was that Trumps positions dont align with them too much." Apologies for not being clear.

 

[Amelia]

I find what your saying so interesting.

What i meant by "it" is people choosing to support Trumps positions over yours. Maybe not you but it seems like many people are taking it personal. As if it was done to spite them. Thats wjat i was alluding too.

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Many Trump supporters say that the best thing about Trump is that he makes liberal heads explode, and based on their writings there seems to be no reason we think they're joking. So for some it does appear to be about spite.

 

[Amelia]

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What i believe is in is
1. an equal and fair justice system for everyone.
2. Equal opprotunities for people to suceed or fail
3. Privacy rights
4. The right for people to associate or disassociate with whom they choose.
5. Not necessarily a smaller government but more locslized goverance.

I'd really need to think hard to explain it all in greater detsil but those 5 concepts are a fair rough draft of my guiding principles. Im not ashamed of any of it. I adhere to them as best as i can and i fight to move oeople opinions in those directions.

When Trump strays outside of those principles i criticize him for doing so. I just dont agree with most of the criticisms progressives have for him. I find many of them to be rather selfserving and unfair.

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interesting

thank you

I suppose someone else might want to look at the list and point out the many ways which Trump strays, implicitly and explicitly, but I'm winding down for the night and this is probably a good place to end.

 

[trouble13]

Many Trump supporters say that the best thing about Trump is that he makes liberal heads explode, and based on their writings there seems to be no reason we think they're joking. So for some it does appear to be about spite.

I wont dispute that and i find those comments equally as troubling as the hateful ones from the left. At some point the more rational people need to excercuse their vouce and tell both sides to cut the crap.

The reality is their are good oeople on both sides but we are not gonna agree on the correct course of action. We need to accept that neither side is always gonna get what they want. We need to tolerate the other sides positions more.

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[CaughtInThe]

Thanks I'll accept credit for the amazing economy, improved prosperity for American - including minorities, improved outlook of Americans for their job and financial security.

Do you guys actually not know that this is a continuation of what was already happening?

Is Fox News and Rush so good that they can con you guys on that as well?