IRS can now revoke U.S. passports over back taxes

[d0gbreath]

I suppose they will send a request for your passport to you through the mail. That's funny!

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I think that DUI are serious matters, but I wasn’t aware that there is a shared database, even between the US and Canada.

The way it's written for Canada, a conviction isn't even necessary. A border officer can deny entry for a DUI deferred adjudication.

There is

For Canadians going to the US, any criminal conviction is cause for refusal to enter the US, that includes DUI's in Canada. The US has access to that information and Canada to the US's.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

I think that DUI are serious matters, but I wasn’t aware that there is a shared database, even between the US and Canada.

There is

For Canadians going to the US, any criminal conviction is cause for refusal to enter the US, that includes DUI's in Canada. The US has access to that information and Canada to the US's.

Forgot to mention that even for Canadians who get pardons for their past crimes are still often prevented from being able to visit the US, as the conviction is not removed from the US database. So if you have a criminal record in Canada do not try to travel to the US until the pardon is granted. Then the conviction will not be in the US system.

 

[WillyPete]

The problem as I see it is that's a fairly small amount of money, and lots of people get caught up in tax disputes, have trouble working them out, and it has nothing to do with inability to pay or other issues.

It just seems to me that tax disputes with IRS are tax disputes and should remain the province of tax disputes. If IRS thinks a significant tax liability is on the line with foreign travel, then it should be able to individually petition the DoJ to deny travel privileges to avoid something like a flight risk, but not as a broad enforcement tool that they do administratively with a click of a mouse. The IRS can already levy on bank accounts, paychecks, and more to collect overdue taxes. I don't see how this BIG blunt tool is needed. Seems like a massive overreach to me.

I was thinking more in terms of individual filers, rather than companies. Companies don't get passports, AFAIK. Wouldn't be a big fan of them targeting company officers over the company's taxes, but at some point someone must be held responsible, though yes 52k does seem low for that threshold.

I'm not opposed to them picking an choosing when to apply it. I didn't see them saying it was for everyone in the link, but possibly I missed that.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I mean....the government certainly hates when it doesn't get paid.

Yep, so much so that congress must pass a bill and hold a special vote in order to to deny giving themselves a raise.

 

[VanceMack]

In other news, 2/3 of Americans polled about assault weapons havent the first ****ing idea about what they are commenting on.

 

[Ikari]

Yep, so much so that congress must pass a bill and hold a special vote in order to to deny giving themselves a raise.

Yeah, I think a poor politician is a rare breed.

 

[beefheart]

In other news, 2/3 of Americans polled about assault weapons havent the first ****ing idea about what they are commenting on.

Wow

How ironic that you would make this post in the wrong thread.:roll:

 

[Roadvirus]

And the Chinafication of the USA continues. Travel is a privilege in the USA.

IRS can now revoke U.S. passports over back taxes - UPI.com

It makes sense. Can't have tax dodgers fleeing.

 

[iguanaman]

And the Chinafication of the USA continues. Travel is a privilege in the USA.

IRS can now revoke U.S. passports over back taxes - UPI.com

So you think you have a right to flee the country if you don't pay your taxes?

 

[MTAtech]

And the Chinafication of the USA continues. Travel is a privilege in the USA.

IRS can now revoke U.S. passports over back taxes - UPI.com

The issue will be whether this will be enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, allowing Trump cronies who owe millions to travel, or will it only apply to the little people? I’ve read that Kushner owes back taxes and Trump himself does too. Yet, they can not only travel, they do it on the taxpayer’s dime.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Yeah, I think a poor politician is a rare breed.

Certainly, a career (successful?) politician remaining poor is rare.

 

[VanceMack]

Wow

How ironic that you would make this post in the wrong thread.:roll:

:shock: More so because I didnt even knowingly enter this thread!

 

[Outlook]

In order to travel to Cuba, it's required to keep a detailed log of "support for the Cuban people" and prove that you're not engaged in any tourist activities.

That’s not what I asked.

I don’t know what you are talking about regarding a detailed log of support.
You need a tourist visa and need to meet 12 categories for travel there. There have been travel restrictions to Cuba since Castro came into power.

 

[JasperL]

I was thinking more in terms of individual filers, rather than companies. Companies don't get passports, AFAIK. Wouldn't be a big fan of them targeting company officers over the company's taxes, but at some point someone must be held responsible, though yes 52k does seem low for that threshold.

Nearly all 'small' businesses and business owners you come across (or at least in this area) own their companies as LLCs or S Corps or partnerships or sole proprietorships, which are separate businesses that file returns as the business, but that are pass through entities. So the income is earned in the business but reported on the owner's 1040 and the tax liability will be a personal liability, not a business liability. So any shortfall related to the business will be a personal liability for the IRS.

And IME, people working for wages, a W-2, etc. just don't frequently run into big problems with taxes because they're so simple and the taxes are withheld, etc. It's people who have business income who have the most issues, even people like handy men, painters, etc. who work as contractors and not for a bigger company.

I'm not opposed to them picking an choosing when to apply it. I didn't see them saying it was for everyone in the link, but possibly I missed that.

I am not sure of the details, but 400,000 affected is a really big number. We'll see I guess as time goes by.

 

[JasperL]

The issue will be whether this will be enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, allowing Trump cronies who owe millions to travel, or will it only apply to the little people? I’ve read that Kushner owes back taxes and Trump himself does too. Yet, they can not only travel, they do it on the taxpayer’s dime.

The practical fact of the matter is the big boys have $400/hr accountants and tax lawyers to deal with disputes and those don't tend to result in demand letters or final assessments without sometimes years, occasionally a decade or more, of back and forth, courts, etc.

So, yeah, the people impacted will almost always be those who do NOT have the means to pay someone else to handle their tax matters for them, aka "little people."

 

[beefheart]

The practical fact of the matter is the big boys have $400/hr accountants and tax lawyers to deal with disputes and those don't tend to result in demand letters or final assessments without sometimes years, occasionally a decade or more, of back and forth, courts, etc.

So, yeah, the people impacted will almost always be those who do NOT have the means to pay someone else to handle their tax matters for them, aka "little people."

If you owe the IRS and work with them, they can be very accommodating. However, if you go out of your way not to pay the taxes that you owe, then too damn bad, own up and pay what you owe. Way too many kooks and tax dodgers out there who think they are somehow special...they aren't.

 

[SDET]

Mark my words: The list of things that will cause one's passport to be cancelled will grow. A passport should be a right.

If you owe the IRS and work with them, they can be very accommodating. However, if you go out of your way not to pay the taxes that you owe, then too damn bad, own up and pay what you owe. Way too many kooks and tax dodgers out there who think they are somehow special...they aren't.

 

[What if...?]

52K is a lot of money in back taxes.
400,000 people out of 350 million is a drop in the bucket.
I have no sympathy for the 400,000 people who have not paid their taxes.

What happens if you don't pay a traffic ticket? Your license is suspended.
What happens if you don't pay your child support? You can be thrown in jail.
What happens if you don't pay your car invoice? They will repossess your car.

What happens if you don't pay your taxes? You can't travel, which is okay because you can't afford to travel if you owe the government over 52K.

So our freedom of movement, arguably the cornerstone of the concept of liberty, is just a privelege to be revoked as opposed to a right.

 

[SDET]

That's exactly my point and one of the ways the Chinafication is happening to our country.

So our freedom of movement, arguably the cornerstone of the concept of liberty, is just a privelege to be revoked as opposed to a right.

 

[What if...?]

Pay your taxes, keep your passport. Seems like the better choice than losing your passport and not being able to leave the country or possibly going to jail for not filing a return. What would happen if everyone didn't pay their taxes?

If one can't pay, the gov. allows them to get on a payment plan.

I don't know.

But many corporations do.

 

[What if...?]

The right to a passport should be absolute. Why not revoke their birth certificate and declare them a non-person?

Puts a whole new spin on trumps wall, huh?

 

[What if...?]

So if you leave a restaurant without paying no one should be able to stop you?

If a corporation doesn't pay its taxes how do you revoke its passport?

They're people, right?

 

[beefheart]

Mark my words: The list of things that will cause one's passport to be cancelled will grow. A passport should be a right.

I have two passports...nyah nyah.

And....I pay my taxes.

 

[MTAtech]

So our freedom of movement, arguably the cornerstone of the concept of liberty, is just a privelege to be revoked as opposed to a right.

This alone revokes any claim the right-wing has to their supposed claim that they protect individual rights and liberties.