Iraqi TV Reports Strike Kills Powerful Iranian Revolutionary Guard Commander

[Dans La Lune]

The neocons are BACK and the media is already siding with them. AGAIN. That's my takeaway from the last ~12 hours.

 

[Jredbaron96]

You want a war with Iran?

Well actually, a war with Iran would probably result in the expansion of the US Armed Forces and would probably railroad my way to promotion....

 

[SheWolf]

If Iran uses all of its influence on the present Iraqi administration, then it could get the Iraqi government to tell the US and Coalition forces to leave Iraq. They could also end the Status of Forces Agreement, forcing the US to pull out too. If the US and Coalition forces refuse than a new and more vicious Iraqi insurgency could easily start in reaction to overt occupation, with Iranian, Russian, perhaps Chinese and perhaps even Kurdish backing. Iraq could make Afghanistan look like a picnic with the Taliban. It would be interesting to see how America might deal with a Eurasian revolt against its hegemonic power in the Middle East and Persia.

Blowing things and people up has its limits.

This is certainly a convenient distraction from the US Chief Executives troubles with Congress and the law. Likewise Bibi Netanyahu could use a good war right about now. Start a war to protect one's political backside. It's been done before elsewhere and perhaps its America's or Israel's or both countries' turn today.

Dumb move by the US Administration to compound the killings of Iraqi Shi'ite militiamen in Syria and Iraq with attacking Iranian generals in Iraq, when there is no state of war declared.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

I definitely agree. It appears the elected officials in Iraq want America out as it is. We are sending Marines to protect the embassy, and if I worked there, I would want to leave. Iran is already pissed off at America, and Iraq already wants us gone. I am certain they both have a strategic vision.

 

[j brown's body]

Well, Melania Trump did say her New Years resolution was to "Piss on the world." They're off to a heady start.

 

[dave8383]

Gen. McChrystal Passed on Chance to Kill Iran Intel Chief

Gen. McChrystal Passed on Chance to Kill Iran Intel Chief

Retired Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal had a chance to kill the head of Iranian intelligence 12 years ago but passed on the opportunity because he feared, in part, "the contentious politics" that would have taken place after the incident.

McChrystal wrote a piece for Foreign Policy to discuss his decision and talk about the leadership skills that took Qassem Suleimani from a 22-year-old soldier to a major general leading the Quds Force within the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps — however sinister he may be.

"There was good reason to eliminate Suleimani," McChrystal wrote. "At the time [in 2007], Iranian-made roadside bombs built and deployed at his command were claiming the lives of U.S. troops across Iraq.

"But to avoid a firefight, and the contentious politics that would follow, I decided that we should monitor the caravan, not strike immediately. By the time the convoy had reached Erbil, Suleimani had slipped away into the darkness."

McChrystal, who was in charge of the Joint Special Operations Command from 2003-2008 and led both U.S. and NATO military forces in Afghanistan from 2009-2010, then wrote about Suleimani's rise to the top of the Middle East food chain.

"Suleimani has grown from a military commander into a ghostly puppet master, relying on quiet cleverness and grit to bolster Iran's international influence," McChrystal wrote. "His brilliance, effectiveness, and commitment to his country have been revered by his allies and denounced by his critics in equal measure.

"What all seem to agree on, however, is that the humble leader's steady hand has helped guide Iranian foreign policy for decades — and there is no denying his successes on the battlefield. Suleimani is arguably the most powerful and unconstrained actor in the Middle East today. U.S. defense officials have reported that Suleimani is running the Syrian civil war (via Iran's local proxies) all on his own."

McChrystal noted that in the United States, military leaders do not serve at the highest level for as long as Suleimani has in Iran. And that, he said, is a good thing.

"A zealous and action-oriented mindset, if unchecked, can be used as a force for good — but if harnessed to the wrong interests or values, the consequences can be dire," he wrote. "Suleimani is singularly dangerous. He is also singularly positioned to shape the future of the Middle East."

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[Dans La Lune]

Death to the Iranian regime.

What's the alternative? The Iranian regime is less evil than the Saudis, America's premier ally in the Middle East. The problems in Iran exist in part thanks to America's machinations, both before and after 1979. Perhaps a foreign policy based on protecting and extracting resources from the Middle East hasn't work out too well for the people of the Middle East.

Seriously, get the **** out of the Middle East. It's not America's playground. America came to Iran's backyard, not the other way around.

 

[WCH]

How many kids do you have in the military?

This is why they are serving and I thank them for it.

 

[NO1]

Good.
Suleimani day job was to export terror all over the ME via it's proxies.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

In the last 18 years the US has spent trillions of $'s and lost thousands of lives in a never ending ME conflict.. Yet simply in the name of politics Trumpsters, AND others are willing to make the same mistakes again.

I honest to God fear for this country now.

 

[Higgins86]

Step 1, Get rid of existing treaty

Step 2, Place sanctions on country creating economic hardship, unrest and pressure on the government

Step 3, Surround Iran with troops including several thousand in Saudi there regional enemy

Step 4, Sell advanced weapons to Iran's regional enemies tipping the scales

Step 5, Infringe on Iraq's sovereignty and illegally use their airspace to take out Iran's second in command. Come out and say he posed an imminent thread to the US but do not provide specific details.

Step 6, Wait for Iran to retaliate and then use that as an excuse to wage conventional war on Iran.



The USA the worlds hegemony

 

[Dans La Lune]

This thread is proof that the Trumpers never cared about rejecting neoconservatism by supporting Trump. OF COURSE. They never cared about non-intervention, ending regime-change wars, or getting bogged down in a Middle Eastern cluster****. They were simply hibernating, waiting for an opportunity to re-emerge as neocon skunks. Trump picked Bolton and Pompeo for his foreign policy chiefs! These guys have been aching to overthrow the Iranian regime and cause chaos in the Middle East. That's what they DO. That Bolton is out means nothing.

The media is lapping it up like a thirsty dog to a water dish.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Nothing, thats why we should kill them. They only understand brute force. Peace through strength works...inboring terrorists does not.

So would the Soviet Union have been in the right to assassinate the head of the CIA because we were funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan?

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

This thread is proof that the Trumpers never cared about rejecting neoconservatism by supporting Trump. OF COURSE. They never cared about non-intervention, ending regime-change wars, or getting bogged down in a Middle Eastern cluster****. They were simply hibernating, waiting for an opportunity to re-emerge as neocon skunks. Trump picked Bolton and Pompeo for his foreign policy chiefs! These guys have been aching to overthrow the Iranian regime and cause chaos in the Middle East. That's what they DO. That Bolton is out means nothing.

The media is lapping it up like a thirsty dog to a water dish.

I've had many Trump supporters tell me they voted for Trump because he wasn't a 'traditional, establishment' politician.. But it turns out that they, like Trump are liars.

Trump lies more than any traditional politician and he's more of a neo-con than any establishment Republican politician.

 

[Dans La Lune]

How many pathetic loser arguments you got?

It's actually not a bad argument. Are you willing to send your kids to protect and extract Middle Eastern resources from the people living there, causing death, and destruction and regional instability? Is that what servicemen and women sign up for? Or are they lied to and told that they will be serving Honor and Duty; that they will only be put in harms way when its absolutely necessary?

What exactly is the point in assassinating an Iranian official? Because he is responsible for American deaths? Is that your moral argument? The Reagan Admin supported rape and murder squads. Should anyone in his admin be fair game in retrospect?

 

[Higgins86]

I've had many Trump supporters tell me they voted for Trump because he wasn't a 'traditional, establishment' politician.. But it turns out that they, like Trump are liars.

Trump lies more than any traditional politician and he's more of a neo-con than any establishment Republican politician.

Didn't they also vote for him because they didn't want War?

 

[Nap]

The neocons are BACK and the media is already siding with them. AGAIN. That's my takeaway from the last ~12 hours.

Lol Back? They never left, hell the only time we stopped dropping bombs during the last decade was when Obama literally ran out of them.

 

[Felis Leo]

So would the Soviet Union have been in the right to assassinate the head of the CIA because we were funding the Mujahideen in Afghanistan?

If the head of the CIA was stupid enough to go traipsing around Afghanistan actively arming and training Mujahideen fighters? Yes.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

President Trump in a conversation with President Erdogan said that foreign intervention complicates the situation in Libya.
Under foreign intervention, Americans traditionally mean the intervention of countries other than the United States.

 

[Higgins86]

If the head of the CIA was stupid enough to go traipsing around Afghanistan actively arming and training Mujahideen fighters? Yes.

So what you are saying is that if they are in the open then anyone is fair game regardless of sovereign borders etc?

 

[lemmiwinx]

CIA were traipsing around Afghanistan actively arming and training Mujahideen fighters in the 80's. Some of them never got over it.

 

[Jredbaron96]

If the head of the CIA was stupid enough to go traipsing around Afghanistan actively arming and training Mujahideen fighters? Yes.

So because he wasn't in theater but doing it from the comfort of his own office, it was okay?

 

[Dans La Lune]

If the head of the CIA was stupid enough to go traipsing around Afghanistan actively arming and training Mujahideen fighters? Yes.

People say, 'Woah, there buddy. Calling Republicans evil monsters is stepping over the line... they're just people to disagree with.' I present Exhibit A:

The Cost of America's Secret Wars, Then and Now

During what we used to call The Prayer of the Faithful, which comes immediately after the Homily, we prayed for the souls of Ita Ford, Maura Clarke, Jean Donovan, and Dorothy Kazel, four Catholic missionaries who were beaten, raped, and murdered by a death squad in El Salvador in 1980. The death squad carried out this mission at the direct order of the Salvadoran government, a right-wing horror show of which President Ronald Reagan and his incoming administration were quite proud. When Republicans boast of Reagan's foreign policy triumphs, murder and rape is part of what they're talking about. The four women — American citizens and clergy, mind you — were brutalized on December 2. Last Sunday was the 31st anniversary of their deaths.

And these were the RESPECTABLE Republicans.

 

[Vadinho]

Lot of armchair John Wayne types here, a war with Iran would be a nightmare folks. Anyone here think they would go quietly has no understanding of Iran. This is yet another reason why Trump should be removed at once. Iranians are very smart and calculating. Expect a reaction soon and if I were a Trump official, I would be watching my back everywhere I go from here on out.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Trump answered a question from journalists about the possibility of a war with Iran:
“I don’t think it would be a good idea for Iran ... I don’t expect this to happen.”
That right, democracy is stopped solely by concern for the iranians, and not by the danger of getting a kick back. So touching!

 

[Dans La Lune]

Trump answered a question from journalists about the possibility of a war with Iran:
“I don’t think it would be a good idea for Iran ... I don’t expect this to happen.”
That right, democracy is stopped solely by concern for the iranians, and not by the danger of getting a kick back. So touching!

That's the danger of having a man-child with the IQ of ~70 calling shots in the Middle East, surrounded by neocon skunks and right-wing nationalists. Lets be honest, we knew this would eventually happen. Trump's presidency is going as advertised.