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Iran claims to have seized British oil tanker in strait of Hormuz

ecofarm said:
I have morals and ethics. I'm not pushing without reason and if there's a pushback it deserves to be put down.
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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
 
PoS said:
In the end, it doesnt matter who is in the right. If you keep pushing someone, they will eventually push back.
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Trump is not Obama. Iran managed to seduce Obama into sending billions of US dollars in return for their promise to behave. Trump will spank their bad bottoms if they don't stop misbehaving.
 
ecofarm said:
Correct.

The UK is a democracy engaging in legal sanction against Syria. Iran is aware of the sanction. Iran nonetheless sent a tanker, secretly and flying a false (not convenient) flag to Syria. It was an act of deception and fully aware of the consequences should they be discovered.

Iran is a backwards theocracy without legitimate claim to the tanker.


Details, details... I know, but they matter.
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EU Sanctions apply to EU dealing with the country it is sanctioning. It does not apply to third parties. Canada could should it decided to trade with Syria in what ever manner it wanted and the EU could only prevent that if the trade went through EU territory. The straights of Gilb is considered an international water way, like the Straights of Hormuz, as such ships are free to transit through it for matters of trade, like the Straights of Hormuz.

Unless we want to see freedom of navigation severely restricted in the future.

Embargo's which can be applied to other countries are generally seen as an act of war, of which the EU did not declare on Iran, so Iran is under international rules free to trade with Syria, provided the items traded do not transit EU jurisdiction.

Details as you say do matter
 
The second boat is Liberian.
 
Rexedgar said:
We are presently unable to contact the vessel which is now heading north towards Iran, the owners, Stena Bulk, and the ship s managers, Northern Marine, said in the statement.- link

Iran claims to have seized British oil tanker in strait of Hormuz | World news | The Guardian


Just another Friday!
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Iran seems to be trying to drive a bigger wedge between the US and Europe. Essentially this move is Iran saying "If you don't take on the US we're going to keep messing with your stuff". They seem to be assuming that European dislike for Trump and their corresponding fear of what he would do in a military intervention is enough to completely sever the relationship. Could such a plan be supported (or created) by Putin? Sure. If the EU comes together and tells the US to get out of the Middle East that would be a HUGE win for Russia. It would likely result in the end of US participation in NATO and the cessation of most European trade with the US. If China joins in on the dog pile it pretty much isolates the US. That's all pretty bad for us.

Now, how about a little conspiracy action?

What if these attacks were actually suggested by someone in the US who wanted to get Trump out of office really, really badly? What it someone like, for example, John Kerry has been working with Iran to get them a higher status in the world once Trump is out of office and the Democrats get the White House back? What if this whole thing is really designed to generate an international political coalition against Trump?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
EU Sanctions apply to EU dealing with the country it is sanctioning. It does not apply to third parties. Canada could should it decided to trade with Syria in what ever manner it wanted and the EU could only prevent that if the trade went through EU territory. The straights of Gilb is considered an international water way, like the Straights of Hormuz, as such ships are free to transit through it for matters of trade, like the Straights of Hormuz.

Unless we want to see freedom of navigation severely restricted in the future.

Embargo's which can be applied to other countries are generally seen as an act of war, of which the EU did not declare on Iran, so Iran is under international rules free to trade with Syria, provided the items traded do not transit EU jurisdiction.

Details as you say do matter
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A theocracy intentionally deceived the world and international law in sneaking a falsely flagged ship to supply the Assad regime. It knew if it was caught, it would lose the tanker. That's why it went around Africa and under a Venezuelan flag.

Iran's deception establishes its action as illegal under international law. The UK acted within established international law. Iran acts as a rogue theocratic terrorist state.
 
Felis Leo said:
Nothing to see here, folks. The regime is becoming more moderate. Move it along.

In all seriousness, the Iranian Revolutionary regime is one that has engaged in lawlessness, mendacity and terror. The Western Governments were engaged in self-delusion thinking that their playing a shell game of putting some anodyne Santa Claus-like figure as Rouhani signaled some major institutional shift in policy. It was simply playing Good Cop Bad Cop.
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The Western governments are interested in a one world government. They were willing to tickle Iran under the chin to get the Mullahs to agree to a weak sauce nuke deal. One might wonder what else the Globalists are willing to give up to promote the prospects of realizing their vision?
 
Lutherf said:
The Western governments are interested in a one world government. They were willing to tickle Iran under the chin to get the Mullahs to agree to a weak sauce nuke deal. One might wonder what else the Globalists are willing to give up to promote the prospects of realizing their vision?
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Global liberation is not "a one world government".
 
Lutherf said:
Iran seems to be trying to drive a bigger wedge between the US and Europe. Essentially this move is Iran saying "If you don't take on the US we're going to keep messing with your stuff". They seem to be assuming that European dislike for Trump and their corresponding fear of what he would do in a military intervention is enough to completely sever the relationship. Could such a plan be supported (or created) by Putin? Sure. If the EU comes together and tells the US to get out of the Middle East that would be a HUGE win for Russia. It would likely result in the end of US participation in NATO and the cessation of most European trade with the US. If China joins in on the dog pile it pretty much isolates the US. That's all pretty bad for us.

Now, how about a little conspiracy action?

What if these attacks were actually suggested by someone in the US who wanted to get Trump out of office really, really badly? What it. sic someone like, for example, John Kerry has been working with Iran to get them a higher status in the world once Trump is out of office and the Democrats get the White House back? What if this whole thing is really designed to generate an international political coalition against Trump?
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“If wishes and buts (and ifs) were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas!”
 
ecofarm said:
A theocracy intentionally deceived the world and international law in sneaking a falsely flagged ship to supply the Assad regime. It knew if it was caught, it would lose the tanker. That's why it went around Africa and under a Venezuelan flag.

Iran's deception establishes its action as illegal under international law. The UK acted within established international law. Iran acts as a rogue theocratic terrorist state.
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Do EU sanctions on a country apply to any other country but those in the EU? Can the EU enforce sanctions on say Canada on US trade with Canada?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Do EU sanctions on a country apply to any other country but those in the EU? Can the EU enforce sanctions on say Canada on US trade with Canada?
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The tanker could not traverse legally or it would have. Iran knew this and thus the deception.

The UK tanker did not break international law nor fly a false flag.
 
apdst said:
It's Trump's fault.
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Is there some reason not to view this in the light of Trump's policy changes on Iran?

Do you think Iran would be doing this today if Trump had not reinstated sanctions?
 
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