iPhone X

[PeteEU]

I don't believe for an instant that Apple has made a phone that can keep your twin out without locking you out with them.

That is their claim.. they used Spock and evil Spock as an example at the keynote.

 

[PeteEU]

Got to love the internet and social media.. best ones so far..

iPhone X is the Samsung S7 at triple the price...

 

[Brochacholomigo]

That is their claim.. they used Spock and evil Spock as an example at the keynote.

Weren't both of those played by Nimoy?

 

[PeteEU]

Weren't both of those played by Nimoy?

Yea not the point!!!!!

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Yea not the point!!!!!

IPhone X: we'll keep you from unlocking your phone if you aren't you, even if you are you!

 

[PirateMk1]

OK, am I the only one that's seeing this?

The article goes into various details about the phone but, for the life of me, that icon in the bottom, left of the phone looks like a fork and I see no mention of it in the article. Is that the new surprise for the iPhone? It comes with a fork app?

Probably a flashlight button which makes sense.

 

[Lutherf]

Probably a flashlight button which makes sense.

I guess.

For some reason I never use my phone for a flashlight. If I need one, I usually use a flashlight for that purpose.

 

[PirateMk1]

I guess.

For some reason I never use my phone for a flashlight. If I need one, I usually use a flashlight for that purpose.

I have flashlights all over the place but I end up using my phone because the flash works quite well as a flashlight, and I have it on me all the time.

 

[PeteEU]

Okay he shows how to navigate without the home button... cool, but holy crap it is going to cause problems for people over 60 who have never used swipe up or down.. which is a lot of people.

 

[PeteEU]

So the hype has set, and the criticism is coming in now.

1) iPhone X has a unibrow.. full screen video goes behind the camera thing at the top and to "shrink" the video you need to double click the screen.
2) Fast charging.. costs almost 100 dollars more. You need a USB C to lightning cable and a better brick. Yes you can buy 3rd party at a cheaper rate, but that probably blows your warranty.
3) iOS is now more fragmented than Android.. there are 3 ways of getting to control center, and depends on what device you have. There are 2 ways of press/swiping the home button. iOS is turning into a massive mess.

On the iPhone 5-8 you swipe up to get control center. Now you have to swipe DOWN from top right on the iPhone X, whereas swipe up now is the home button on the iPhone X. Will be hella confusing for a lot of iOS users.

 

[Bucky]

I hope everyone buys an iphone, even if they have to get a loan. My largest position is on apple so hopefully, they pay $1,000 for this phone.

 

[Superfly]

Hard pass on the X. I just got a 7s Plus a few months back. I don't change phones just because new ones are released. I change phones when my old ones stop working.

I don't understand all the hate on the iPhone. I have had several different kinds of phones, and after I went with the iPhone 4s, I never went back. I've had the 4s, the 5s, the 6s and now the 7s Plus. I doubt I'll go back to anything else. It's a little higher than other phones, but it works well for me, and does everything I want it to do, and then some.

 

[PeteEU]

I don't understand all the hate on the iPhone.

It comes down to being lied to and price. No tech is perfect btw, and I can find a lot of faults with Android as well. However this is about Apple..

1) Price. The cheapest iPhone costs a freaking fortune and is rubbish. The iPhone 7 is also overpriced (or the 8) when you think that the screen is still the same screen that the the iPhone 4 came out with. Even cheap Android phones are rocking full HD screens these days. Or the new iPhone 8 and X... have fast charging in them, but you need to spend 100 bucks more to get the actual fast charger and wire needed.. it does not come in the box, unlike all other phones. And dont get me started on dongle hell on their computers these days..

2) The myth as I call it. Iphones just work.. no they break down more than other phones. Iphones are the best tech.. no not even close. iPhone apps are better designed.. and yet crash more than Android according to studies. Or a myth that just does not want to die.. iPhones last long on a charge.. err no, never have. There is a reason iSheep are known as wall socket huggers.

3) Apples arrogance. Apple has over the years built an image of making near perfect products, and yet the reality is something else. For example, Antenna gate... a clear design flaw for the iPhone 4. Apple denied a problem for months and then after being threatened with lawsuits, finally said that people were holding the phone wrong. It ended with a free plastic bumper case for everyone. Or Bendgate, or Touch disease and so on and so on. Apple never admits its products have problems unless there is a massive class action lawsuit in the air, and even then they basically dont admit wrong doing. Take Bendgate.. the iPhone 6 and especially 6+. Another clear design fault, but noo it was not Apples fault. Funny how the 6S and 6S+ had design changes that hardened the chassis to avoid bendgate..

4) Apples control of the media. Say something bad about their products and you are banned from their events. Thankfully, most media today with certain exceptions, have grown a pair of balls and started to stand up to Apple and call them on their bs. But in the past.. boy the consequences were harsh. A major German tech magazine dared go after Apple for Antennagate and were banned from all Apple events. A known Apple hacker (the good kind), found several serious faults in iOS and told Apple. Apple did nothing, and then he went public.. and was banned. Apple took months to fix the serious faults. Which brings me to, after price.. my biggest pet peeve about Apple. Another one is their loyal media types pointing out that the Note 8 is 939 dollars, so the iPHone X is not that expensive. Yea but with the 939 dollars you get 200 dollars worth of stuff with it (VR headset or Wireless charging mat and 256 GB SD card), and btw you get fast charging cable and brick included! Plus it is a superior phone but hey!

5) Lack consequences for the brand. Apple has had some massive security flaws in its systems over the years, and yet it is more than often the ones telling about them or exploiting them, that are punished and not Apple. Case in point. Safari had a massive security hole in it for YEARS, and it was well known. Google exploited it, and many others did. When it hit the media, it was Google that got the backlash and later the fine, but Apple got away with leaving a clear security flaw open for years, despite knowing about it. Why was Apple not fined? Why did the media go after Google for exploiting the flaw, but not Apple for allowing it to exist in the first place? This is just one of many security flaws in Apple operating systems btw.. the SSL one was probably the worst one. Basically on iOS and OSX, SSL (encryption on websites and in apps) did not work for a very long time, due to a coding error that should have been caught in quality control. Problem was, instead of rushing out a fix for all their OSes, they rushed out for one and took weeks for the rest. It was a simple code error that could be fixed fast, but no, Apple chose to leave people unsecure on their devices because they wanted to wait for a major update that was in the works. People think Apple is fast in fixing their bugs.. they are not, they are extremely slow and that has no consequences what so ever for the company, as people still think Apple is fast. Microsoft is fast, Google is fast.. Apple is the old lady crossing the road with a stroller when it comes to patching security flaws. Oh btw, of all the OS out there, Apples OSX and IOS have by far the most known security issues.. just saying.

But if you enjoy your iPhone, then fine with that... that is up to you if you are willing to pay a massive premium for nothing.

 

[ludin]

looks a lot like the galaxy s8 and the galaxy note 8.

yeah 999 is just insane it is one reason i haven't gotten a new phone in 5 years.
i am getting a new one here shortly and it will last another 5 years or so.

phone prices are getting out of control.

my wife likes her iphone but does get frustrated with it.
I would never buy one and i just saw the galaxy s8+ while i was
out and about the screen is amazing. the VR stuff is way cool as well.

apple is so far behind the times when it comes to tech on their phone.

they might get a VR headset next year.

 

[Northern Light]

I will never understand for the life of me why sheeple are so into the iPhone. I rooted my android and I can do so much with it that I'd never be able to even attempt on Apple's proprietary crap platform.

There is so much cell phone waste in the world and Apple doesn't help by creating planned obsolescence along with deliberately withholding upgrades until the next version. The greed is incredible.

I hope the day comes when we have competitive modular phones with detachable replacement parts.

 

[Zyphlin]

Well, it only took EIGHT years...but Apple finally managed to string together hardware and software that actually intrigues me and brings back some of the nostalgic wonder I had the first time I saw webOS demonstrated and went "this is what all of these things should be".

I love the removal of the home button, love the greater reliance on the gestures, love the stripped out bezels, the card metaphor with multitasking and such. It's unfortunate that it's taken this long to get to some of those UI and design choices.

That said, the price is a difficult one to swallow for a phone, especially considering that with phone tech it feels like you need to upgrade every 2 to 3 years. However, despite all the ignorant memeing going on online, it really comes down to this at this point.

Unless you have some very, VERY specific feature that is a MUST have, by and large the question just comes down to this.....what OS do you feel more comfortable and happy using, and which app ecosystem are you invested in. It's really that simple. Yes, there's a price difference between the phones, but nothing so crazily insurmountable. That's pretty much what locked it in for me. I just am not a fan of the Android OS, and its likely largely built around unfamiliarity with it. The allure of "its more customizable" doesn't appeal to me; it would've in my high school and college years when I loved fiddling with tech, now it's more about which basically stock option just "works" better for me. I'm invested into the Apple app store ecosystem, with purchases made and shared between my phone and tablet, and familiar with how the apps function on these phones.

Could I change over? Undoubtedly yes. But if I'm happy with the system I'm within, and I'm going to be frustrated...if nothing else at the start...of the other, the question becomes "why switch"? At this point in my life, is avoiding frustration over something possibly feeling like it's not working "as well" for me worth $250? Probably, especially combined with not needing to reset up the entire phone, gathering all the apps I'm going to want, and the cost of repurchasing the ones I need to buy again.

Such is the reality I think for the vast majority of phone buyers out there on either platform. I don't think there's a TON of people still outside either ecosystem that are looking to get into a smartphone; which basically means it's about those you already have. Going "HUR HUR! Ma Android had wireless chargin' first!" doesn't make you look smart, or make you look like you're giving a good point, or makes your argument solid because the issue was that word you used before the bit about having wireless charging. My Palm Pre had wireless charging before a single solitary android phone had it built in natively; and that's just as irrelevant as pointing out that an Android phone had it before the iPhone, because the fact it was a webOS phone meant it really wasn't all that useful or attractive or important of an option to an Android user because they had bought into the Android ecosystem and that's ultimately what drives things.

When you have to start using ignorant little insulting terms about the other users, when you have to go on some kind of little holy war like a good little devoted zealot, when the choice of phone and operating system becomes a way of life for you; that's when you know you have a problem. All this really is, by and large, is a matter of preference....what do you find the more enjoyable, easy, engaging, or useful interface on a personal level. There's going to be different answers to that, and the reality is that there are adults out there that are willing to spend a bit more not on "nothing" but on preference and comfort, especially with something that is as consistently used in lives now as mobile phones are.

 

[Zyphlin]

I rooted my android and I can do so much with it that I'd never be able to even attempt on Apple's proprietary crap platform.

You want to know why?

Go down the street and ask the first 100 people you come to if they know what "rooting your phone" means and watch their faces.

You are not the norm. You are not the typical consumer. You are not everyone. The notion of a phone being good because you can root it and spend time customizing and tweaking every little part of it or expand what it can do is only an appealing and interesting concept for people who would desire to do such things, and the reality is that is not everyone. This isn't some kind of new argument either; it's just a rehashing of history. The same kind of argument was occurring back in the late 90's, early 2000's, with PDA's. PocketPC's could do so much more, customize so much more, allow for so much more than Palm devices; and yet Palm dominated at the time. As a gadget freak techie kid, I couldn't understand it. Why couldn't these heathens, whom I was clearly so much better than that it made sense for me to call them derogatory names because it made me look SOOOOO smart, clearly see that because my device could be tweaked and hacked to do more than it was infinitely superior!

The answer was because I was an ignorant, self absorbed, elistist ass (i.e. a teenager) who couldn't understand that Joe Dad or John CEO or Jill Smallbusiness didn't necessarily WANT to spend hours digging around techie PDA forums as if it was a form of entertainment. They didn't want to have to understand to some degree the innerworkings of their device to get the most out of what it could do. They didn't want to spend long bits of time tweaking their PDA until it was just the way they wanted...for a day, before more tweaking occur. They didn't care if it couldn't do A, B, C, D, E, F, and G. They cared if they could open it up and easily understand it. They cared if they could start it up and figure it out easily. They cared if it worked similarly to the palm pilot they had before. They cared that it could do X, Y, and Z well because that's what they needed.

"OMG! you fools! you sheeple! don't you realize you could do SOOOOOO much more"

Yes, some of them do. No, others don't; because they have little to no need or use to do such so have never even given it much of a thought to go looking. Three years ago only about a quarter of Android users even DID root their phones (many of them doing so just to remove bloatware like "touchwiz"), and it had been trending down. Rooting isn't the norm, and there's a significant amount of "sheeple" out there that are missing out on that experience just as much while holding onto an android phone as holding onto an iPhone one. What you're talking about isn't actually an android vs apple thing; it's just a techie vs non-techie one.

 

[Northern Light]

You want to know why?

Go down the street and ask the first 100 people you come to if they know what "rooting your phone" means and watch their faces.

You are not the norm. You are not the typical consumer. You are not everyone. The notion of a phone being good because you can root it and spend time customizing and tweaking every little part of it or expand what it can do is only an appealing and interesting concept for people who would desire to do such things, and the reality is that is not everyone. This isn't some kind of new argument either; it's just a rehashing of history. The same kind of argument was occurring back in the late 90's, early 2000's, with PDA's. PocketPC's could do so much more, customize so much more, allow for so much more than Palm devices; and yet Palm dominated at the time. As a gadget freak techie kid, I couldn't understand it. Why couldn't these heathens, whom I was clearly so much better than that it made sense for me to call them derogatory names because it made me look SOOOOO smart, clearly see that because my device could be tweaked and hacked to do more than it was infinitely superior!

The answer was because I was an ignorant, self absorbed, elistist ass (i.e. a teenager) who couldn't understand that Joe Dad or John CEO or Jill Smallbusiness didn't necessarily WANT to spend hours digging around techie PDA forums as if it was a form of entertainment. They didn't want to have to understand to some degree the innerworkings of their device to get the most out of what it could do. They didn't want to spend long bits of time tweaking their PDA until it was just the way they wanted...for a day, before more tweaking occur. They didn't care if it couldn't do A, B, C, D, E, F, and G. They cared if they could open it up and easily understand it. They cared if they could start it up and figure it out easily. They cared if it worked similarly to the palm pilot they had before. They cared that it could do X, Y, and Z well because that's what they needed.

"OMG! you fools! you sheeple! don't you realize you could do SOOOOOO much more"

Yes, some of them do. No, others don't; because they have little to no need or use to do such so have never even given it much of a thought to go looking. Three years ago only about a quarter of Android users even DID root their phones (many of them doing so just to remove bloatware like "touchwiz"), and it had been trending down. Rooting isn't the norm, and there's a significant amount of "sheeple" out there that are missing out on that experience just as much while holding onto an android phone as holding onto an iPhone one. What you're talking about isn't actually an android vs apple thing; it's just a techie vs non-techie one.

When I say sheeple, I'm mostly thinking about the crazy people who camp out overnight at the Apple store in order to be the first ones to get the phone, or the rabid iphone users who insist on continuing the stupid consumer war between android vs. apple. At the end of the day we're all lucky to live in a relatively affordable market with high end cell phones, it's kind of a luxury economy. So if you have a smart phone you're doing pretty well in the world.

Almost everyone I know with an android roots their phone, it's not a techie thing and people do it for a lot of different reasons. The way I rooted my phone was actually by following a step by step instruction on the web. I don't have fluency with technology, I just follow other people's tutorials. And I only rooted my phone to block adware and privacy incursions. I'm a very principled tech user and I just can't abide that loss of control to companies who want to manipulate my use or mine my data.

That's why Apple annoys me. It's like people are OK with giving over total control to proprietary software. I feel the same about people who use Facebook Messenger or any apps that gain unlimited access to your entire device. Why would you not use your critical thinking and protect yourself? I'm not a computer programmer but I'll certainly do some research and find out about basic modification JUST to know that I'm not falling prey to some larger entity.

 

[Superfly]

It comes down to being lied to and price. No tech is perfect btw, and I can find a lot of faults with Android as well. However this is about Apple..

1) Price. The cheapest iPhone costs a freaking fortune and is rubbish. The iPhone 7 is also overpriced (or the 8) when you think that the screen is still the same screen that the the iPhone 4 came out with. Even cheap Android phones are rocking full HD screens these days. Or the new iPhone 8 and X... have fast charging in them, but you need to spend 100 bucks more to get the actual fast charger and wire needed.. it does not come in the box, unlike all other phones. And dont get me started on dongle hell on their computers these days..

2) The myth as I call it. Iphones just work.. no they break down more than other phones. Iphones are the best tech.. no not even close. iPhone apps are better designed.. and yet crash more than Android according to studies. Or a myth that just does not want to die.. iPhones last long on a charge.. err no, never have. There is a reason iSheep are known as wall socket huggers.

3) Apples arrogance. Apple has over the years built an image of making near perfect products, and yet the reality is something else. For example, Antenna gate... a clear design flaw for the iPhone 4. Apple denied a problem for months and then after being threatened with lawsuits, finally said that people were holding the phone wrong. It ended with a free plastic bumper case for everyone. Or Bendgate, or Touch disease and so on and so on. Apple never admits its products have problems unless there is a massive class action lawsuit in the air, and even then they basically dont admit wrong doing. Take Bendgate.. the iPhone 6 and especially 6+. Another clear design fault, but noo it was not Apples fault. Funny how the 6S and 6S+ had design changes that hardened the chassis to avoid bendgate..

4) Apples control of the media. Say something bad about their products and you are banned from their events. Thankfully, most media today with certain exceptions, have grown a pair of balls and started to stand up to Apple and call them on their bs. But in the past.. boy the consequences were harsh. A major German tech magazine dared go after Apple for Antennagate and were banned from all Apple events. A known Apple hacker (the good kind), found several serious faults in iOS and told Apple. Apple did nothing, and then he went public.. and was banned. Apple took months to fix the serious faults. Which brings me to, after price.. my biggest pet peeve about Apple. Another one is their loyal media types pointing out that the Note 8 is 939 dollars, so the iPHone X is not that expensive. Yea but with the 939 dollars you get 200 dollars worth of stuff with it (VR headset or Wireless charging mat and 256 GB SD card), and btw you get fast charging cable and brick included! Plus it is a superior phone but hey!

5) Lack consequences for the brand. Apple has had some massive security flaws in its systems over the years, and yet it is more than often the ones telling about them or exploiting them, that are punished and not Apple. Case in point. Safari had a massive security hole in it for YEARS, and it was well known. Google exploited it, and many others did. When it hit the media, it was Google that got the backlash and later the fine, but Apple got away with leaving a clear security flaw open for years, despite knowing about it. Why was Apple not fined? Why did the media go after Google for exploiting the flaw, but not Apple for allowing it to exist in the first place? This is just one of many security flaws in Apple operating systems btw.. the SSL one was probably the worst one. Basically on iOS and OSX, SSL (encryption on websites and in apps) did not work for a very long time, due to a coding error that should have been caught in quality control. Problem was, instead of rushing out a fix for all their OSes, they rushed out for one and took weeks for the rest. It was a simple code error that could be fixed fast, but no, Apple chose to leave people unsecure on their devices because they wanted to wait for a major update that was in the works. People think Apple is fast in fixing their bugs.. they are not, they are extremely slow and that has no consequences what so ever for the company, as people still think Apple is fast. Microsoft is fast, Google is fast.. Apple is the old lady crossing the road with a stroller when it comes to patching security flaws. Oh btw, of all the OS out there, Apples OSX and IOS have by far the most known security issues.. just saying.

But if you enjoy your iPhone, then fine with that... that is up to you if you are willing to pay a massive premium for nothing.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. :lol:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

 

[PeteEU]

I love the removal of the home button, love the greater reliance on the gestures, love the stripped out bezels, the card metaphor with multitasking and such. It's unfortunate that it's taken this long to get to some of those UI and design choices.

This one is going to be interesting. As it stands now, we dont know much, but things can change.. BUT... the phone has tap to wake, not double tap like Android phones, but single tap. Now that could be a massive issue, with the phone constantly waking up in your bag/pants.. talk about battery drain.

Also gestures is fine for 40s and below, but holy **** it is going to confuse the hell out of 60+ people. How does Apple expect someone who has never used gestures and can barely swipe left to use an iPhone X? And you know kids are going to push their parents to buy the expensive one..

We shall see once the phone is actually in hands of people other than Apple and their fanboys, but I suspect this will cause problems.

Also.. one can argue that iOS is now more fragmented than Android... At least Android universally still uses one method of going back to home.. Apple does not.

 

[PeteEU]

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. :lol:

Could have been more, but ran out of space

 

[Superfly]

Could have been more, but ran out of space

:lol: Well, that's OK, too.

 

[PeteEU]

:lol: Well, that's OK, too.

Btw... did you get the iPhone attack in that comment? Running out of space... another common Apple issue!! Muhha I am good.. fek it, it is weekend.

 

[joG]

Btw... did you get the iPhone attack in that comment? Running out of space... another common Apple issue!! Muhha I am good.. fek it, it is weekend.

Running out of space?