Interesting Article about Trump and the Russian Mafia

[JustHanging]

Not at all. It was in the mueller report or did you not read the mueller report like 90% of the other people out there squaking?

I'm not discussing anything to do with the mueller investigation. So, let's try again, shall we?

Trump Devotion Syndrome is a terrible thing. Do you think it's acceptable that those suffering from this syndrome cheered on Trump standing on stage in Helsinki, united with Putin, against the entire American Intelligence community?

 

[OscarLevant]

Show me how?

Trump believes Putin over intelligence staff for one thing.
Trump meets in secret with Putin without any accountability
Etc

 

[GDViking]

no coordination or conspiracy or collusion.
so your article is bunk compared to an in depth 2 year FBi investigation.

Two out of three ain't bad.

Collusion was proven over and over again...

 

[ludin]

I'm not discussing anything to do with the mueller investigation. So, let's try again, shall we?

What does that have to do with Trump standing on stage in Helsinki, united with Putin, against the entire American Intelligence community?

sorry no collusion no obstruction.
sorry you can't get past that part.

i see you dishonestly clipped my post. typical when you can't address facts.
it has nothing to do with anything.

no worse than obama's apology tour.

 

[KLATTU]

Two out of three ain't bad.

Collusion was proven over and over again...

Well ,maybe according to some dopey left wing partisan armchair lawyer, but
The guy who actually did the investigation said :"

"“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,"

You really should stop lying about that, lest your pants catch firE

 

[ludin]

Two out of three ain't bad.

Collusion was proven over and over again...

no it wasn't. you didn't ready the mueller report did you?
nope you didn't.

 

[ludin]

Well ,maybe according to some dopey left wing partisan armchair lawyer, but
The guy who actually did the investigation said :"

"“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,"

You really should stop lying about that, lest your pants catch firE

that requires honesty.
you won't get it.

 

[GDViking]

It is called TDS.

TDS destroys the ability to critically think or do anything that is remotely unbias when it comes to trump or anything that trump does.
the fact is that they cried and whined and swore the mueller report would end him.

this is the reaction because well the mueller report did no such thing.

It will...

 

[GitrDone]

The problematic thing is that Trump's supporters don't care about any of this. They probably realize that it's accurate but have bought into the Trump myth.

Like any cult...they "trust" in their leader to do what they see as the right thing...and refuse to see the incompetence and disregard for norms and laws

I guess Trump is just improving the economy and lower the unemployment rate for all races so he can destroy it all later...Things are looking pretty good but I guess when ole Putin says destroy America,Trump will...I really doubt that will happen...

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[GDViking]

sorry no collusion no obstruction.
sorry you can't get past that part.

i see you dishonestly clipped my post. typical when you can't address facts.
it has nothing to do with anything.

no worse than obama's apology tour.

The problem with repeating those lies is that the report is out there and there absolutely was obstruction and collusion as currently outlined in the report...

 

[Luckyone]

The base? Provide reputable sources? :lamo

First of all, for you to check out the negative proof against Trump and his Russian mafia connections, you will need to buy the book called "House of Trump, House of Putin"

ABOUT HOUSE OF TRUMP, HOUSE OF PUTIN
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“The story Unger weaves with those earlier accounts and his original reporting is fresh, illuminating and more alarming than the intelligence channel described in the Steele dossier.”—The Washington Post

House of Trump, House of Putin offers the first comprehensive investigation into the decades-long relationship among Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, and the Russian Mafia that ultimately helped win Trump the White House.

It is a chilling story that begins in the 1970s, when Trump made his first splash in the booming, money-drenched world of New York real estate, and ends with Trump’s inauguration as president of the United States. That moment was the culmination of Vladimir Putin’s long mission to undermine Western democracy, a mission that he and his hand-selected group of oligarchs and Mafia kingpins had ensnared Trump in, starting more than twenty years ago with the massive bailout of a string of sensational Trump hotel and casino failures in Atlantic City. This book confirms the most incredible American paranoias about Russian malevolence.

As far as checking on the other oligarchs that do business in the west, you will need to go to the link that Ocean put out that outlines the other oligarchs and what businesses they have. Oleg Deripaska has been closely been associated with Trump and he has businesses in the U.S. To my knowledge none of the ones in Europe have yet been associated to him but they could be. Nonetheless, that was not the goal of the article Ocean supplied.

Bottom line and fact is that 13 different Russian oligarchs bought and had offices in Trump Tower and Bayrock was a partner of Trump (fact) and those people were associated with the Russian mafia.

All the researched information (none of it opinion, just research), is in the book mentioned above.

Craig Unger (author of the book), simply did the research and offered it as information and he says throughout the book that it is up to the reader to put 2+2 together. He did not accuse Trump, simply showed the documented dealings with Russian oligarchs.

Much like what Unger did, Mueller put the information about Trump and said that it was up to Congress to decide guilt or not. His hands were tied with Trump given that he could not by law indict the president.

 

[GDViking]

Well ,maybe according to some dopey left wing partisan armchair lawyer, but
The guy who actually did the investigation said :"

"“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,"

You really should stop lying about that, lest your pants catch firE

Wow I saw nothing about collusion, and as there is no statute against collusion Mueller did not exonerate trump of either collusion or obstruction.

Now collusion may not be against the law but it sure as **** crosses the line of high crimes and misdemeanors...

 

[GDViking]

no it wasn't. you didn't ready the mueller report did you?
nope you didn't.

Please remind on what page is "collusion" listed...

 

[KLATTU]

Wow I saw nothing about collusion, ors...

Well what do you think that statement is talking about?
You really should stop lying about that Mueller report. It makes you look weak and desparate

 

[Luckyone]

I guess Trump is just improving the economy and lower the unemployment rate for all races so he can destroy it all later...Things are looking pretty good but I guess when ole Putin says destroy America,Trump will...I really doubt that will happen...

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I don't doubt that for a second, and I make this determination not on my hate of Trump but on my 42 years of experience as a stock analyst.

Everything that has been done by Trump (tax cut, deregulation, debt increase) has consequences attached to them. Yes, they help the country, the unemployment, and the stock market for the short term but ultimately there is a price to pay. Lower taxes mean less income for the government and less of all the programs associated with the government which in the long run brings more cost to the consumer and less ability to advance. Deregulation brings greed and excess from the companies that can take advantage of not having anything stop them. The last example of this was the mortgage bubble that caused the last recession that came close to being a depression as well as almost causing our financial institutions to go belly up. The debt increase has already caused ever single person in the United States to owe in excess of a quarter million dollars and that debt as some point will need to be paid.

Prior to 2007, everything was rosy and people like you were screaming happily about the economy, about unemployment and how good things were but they all came to a screaching halt. From where I see it as a stock analyst, the same will happen in the near future because of Trump.

Enjoy it while it lasts, because if there is one thing that I can personally guarantee is that it will not last. As Buddha once said "the only guarantee in life is that it will change. When things are good, they will get bad and when things are bad they will get good". With Trump and his extremes, you can be assured that the extreme good that you are enjoying now, will turn to be extreme bad in the future.

Evidently, you have no vision.

 

[iguanaman]

It's a cult now.

 

[Mycroft]

Trump believes Putin over intelligence staff for one thing.

The intelligence staff works for the President. Not the other way around. The intelligence staff doesn't dictate foreign policy.

Trump meets in secret with Putin without any accountability

It wasn't a secret meeting. Everyone knew he had the meeting. But what went on in the meeting was kept secret. Sorry if that chaps your ass, but that kind of meeting happens a lot between heads of state.

Etc

Instead of nonsense and "Etc", how about you answer the question?

You said: "it is affecting American's foreign policy."

I asked: "How so?"

Instead of trotting out sound bites you heard from the media, talk to me about our foreign policy.

 

[ludin]

The problem with repeating those lies is that the report is out there and there absolutely was obstruction and collusion as currently outlined in the report...

except it wasn't or did you not read the line that said so?

 

[ludin]

Please remind on what page is "collusion" listed...

it was in the mueller summary actually.
they removed the word collusion (since well collusion isn't a crime).
they replaced it with the word coordinated since well that is the actual law
called conspiracy.

they found that under conspiracy laws that no one from the trump administration actually coordinated with russia to
interfere with the election.

so why are you being dishonest and lying? it is right there in the report.

 

[Helix]

that armor looks harder to walk in than Cuba Gooding's diving suit in Men of Honor.

 

[ocean515]

Thanks for walking into my trap. I researched the question I asked you and came up with the exact same article you did. The "I gotcha" comes in the fact that most of these people do not have interests here but in Europe and one of those that does have an interest here is the one for Twitter and he actually spent 8 years in a Soviet prison and is an enemy of Putin. In addition, the articles I sent you in the original posts show that there were over 1300 cash purchases by Russians in conjunction with Trump and there were 13 different Russians dealing with Trump. None of these oligarchs on this list show a pattern of dealing with one person.

As such, yes, Russian oligarchs do spend money outside of Russia but not with any pattern where they concentrate on spending money on one person (Trump).

Gotcha!

Walked into your trap? Oh geeze. I suspected, but didn't fully comprehend what I was communicating with.

:lamo

Don't work so hard just to fail next time.

Why didn't you answer my question? Too afraid?

I'll ask it again to see what you're made of.

Should everyone involved with these Russian Oligarchs at one time or another, be considered sympathizers and partners with the Russian Mafia?

BTW, any knowledge of the Sanctions the Trump Administration hammered these Oligarchs with as a response to Russian meddling?

 

[ocean515]

It is called TDS.

TDS destroys the ability to critically think or do anything that is remotely unbias when it comes to trump or anything that trump does.
the fact is that they cried and whined and swore the mueller report would end him.

this is the reaction because well the mueller report did no such thing.

I think TDS is a symptom allowed by what was already destroyed.

 

[Luckyone]

Fat chance kid!

:lamo

Wow, don't work so hard and fail next time.

Why don't you answer my question? Too afraid?

I'll ask it again to see what you're made of.

Should everyone involved with these Russian Oligarchs at one time or another be considered sympathizes and partners with the Russian Mafia?

I did not answer the question the last time because it is too easy to answer. The answer of course is "no". Nonetheless, you did not answer mine which basically has to do with all those oligarchs that have invested in the West, how many of them invested with Trump? In addition, why so many invested directly with Trump Towers or worked from Trump Towers.

You do understand that there are patterns in life that do point to either a trend or an anomaly that needs to be investigated. To give you a simple example, if there at 20 oligarchs that are invested in the West and 6 of them are invested in Europe or other nations and 14 of them are in the United States and the only one not having invested in Trump Towers (invested in Twitter) is an enemy of Putin, does that pattern mean anything, or following your way of thinking "Do they need to be considered partners with the Russian mafia"? Yes, they do as they probabilities are astronomically high that if you are a wealthy Russian oligarch, you are working for Putin.

here are the answers and links that support what I am saying:

1) if you are a Russian oligarch and don't do what Putin says, you end up in prison, you die, or you escape out of Russia where Putin will have some trouble getting to you:

A Trio of Wealthy Russians Made an Enemy of Putin. Now They’re All Dead.

2) Russia is not a free country and everyone in one shape or form has to work for the government or their economy will collapse:

Or, more precisely, to whom you give it. Oligarchs are an essential part of Putin’s power apparatus. And as a recent working paper (pdf) by economists Thomas Piketty, Gabriel Zucman, and Filip Novokmet reveals, the wealth that won their fealty came directly from the country’s reserves—and, indeed, from the pockets of the Russian people.

All of this should answer fully your questions, unless you are close-minded and brainwashed-by-Trump.

Simply stated, if you are a Russian oligarch, you are probably working for Putin and part of the Russian mafia.

 

[ocean515]

I did not answer the question the last time because it is too easy to answer. The answer of course is "no". Nonetheless, you did not answer mine which basically has to do with all those oligarchs that have invested in the West, how many of them invested with Trump? In addition, why so many invested directly with Trump Towers or worked from Trump Towers.

You do understand that there are patterns in life that do point to either a trend or an anomaly that needs to be investigated. To give you a simple example, if there at 20 oligarchs that are invested in the West and 6 of them are invested in Europe or other nations and 14 of them are in the United States and the only one not having invested in Trump Towers (invested in Twitter) is an enemy of Putin, does that pattern mean anything, or following your way of thinking "Do they need to be considered partners with the Russian mafia"? Yes, they do as they probabilities are astronomically high that if you are a wealthy Russian oligarch, you are working for Putin.

here are the answers and links that support what I am saying:

1) if you are a Russian oligarch and don't do what Putin says, you end up in prison, you die, or you escape out of Russia where Putin will have some trouble getting to you:



2) Russia is not a free country and everyone in one shape or form has to work for the government or their economy will collapse:



All of this should answer fully your questions, unless you are close-minded and brainwashed-by-Trump.

Simply stated, if you are a Russian oligarch, you are probably working for Putin and part of the Russian mafia.

So your answer is no, people involved with these Russian Oligarchs at one time or another should not be considered sympathizes and partners with the Russian Mafia.

Then nothing more need be said.

You should try to not work so hard to not achieve anything.

 

[Luckyone]

So your answer is no, people involved with these Russian Oligarchs at one time or another should not be considered sympathizes and partners with the Russian Mafia.

Then nothing more need be said.

You should try to not work so hard to not achieve anything.

I could not expect anything less from you. I thank you for not disappointing me and becoming a rational human being. If you became a rational human being, it would not be fun trying to "getcha".