Insects Are Dying En Masse

[Into the Night]

Eh?

The loss of insect populations is a very very alarming thing. We don't know what is causing it but something recent must be doing it. One of the recent changes in pesticides is the introduction of neo-nicitinoids.

Why are you talking about crops? How would they effect the ecology of a forrest tens of miles away from the nearest farm?

There is no problem. The forest itself effects the forest. As forests age, they become less hospitable to certain insects, including bees. They become more hospitable to other insects, mostly beetles.

 

[Into the Night]

That is sort of my question.... I have asked it of others. If one is no where near an E-Vile Monsanto farm how can the Monsanto evils have an effect?

Quite a good question. The effects of a Monsanto crop will affect areas near the farm (as the affected insects will simply go somewhere else to eat), but far away is quite another story.

 

[Into the Night]

It’s not proposed because it isn’t necessary. Current methods of farming are absolutely unsustainable. I believe we’re currently using a landmass equivalent of the continent of South America for farming. But the future isn’t sterilizing or mass murdering humans. The future is vertical farming.

Im not sure what the purpose is of ruminating on previous mass extinctions. The first and probably most deadly was caused by the oxygenation of Earth’s atmosphere. The others by asteroid impacts and volcanism on scales this planet hasn’t seen for hundreds of millions of years. There just isn’t anything happening in nature that can explain the current extinctions except us.

I'll leave this example of Chemtrail like fears just for what it is.

 

[Into the Night]

And to that I would answer that our own record indicts us.

What record?

 

[Into the Night]

It is based on the general consensus of the scientific community.

Science doesn't use consensus. Science is not a ' community'. It is not even people at all. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

 

[Into the Night]

It could also be us using electromagnetic spectra that makes their bodies become 1/8th and 1/4 wavelength antennas.

Insects are not metal.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes.

I think the Monsanto thing is a catch all for modern agriculture. I actually think they are a decent company.

I also would include on the suspects list the Tefal process of making none-stick frying pans. It uses very deadly stuff.

Anything with florine in it.

And probably lots more...

Did you know that fluorine is an element? We don't make fluorine.

People cook with Tefal products every day. They aren't dying from them.

 

[Into the Night]

And if it was Monstanto, this would have happened decades ago. GMOs have been around for a while, roundup for many many many years on a wide scale.

There are a number of factors, climate change, environment toxins, etc.

In other words, you don't know. This tells me you don't know how extensive the problem is, or even if there is a problem at all.

 

[Into the Night]

Who has rejected anything on such a basis (other than Nightmare and his sock puppet)?

Actually a fair number of people.

Would you be willing to walk through the numbers on Greenland's ice mass balance with me? If you are unable to see how they could possibly match those of the offical NASA levels and show the opposite would you be willing to change your mind?

Greenland's ice mass measurements are not science. Science is not data nor the collection of data. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.

 

[Into the Night]

There we go.

A plumber knows more about Greenland’s ice mass that the people (PhD level) at NASA specifically trained and tasked to understand it.

Psychoquackery.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Insects are not metal.

My God. Neither does food when cooked in a microwave oven, but somehow the EM field affects the food...

You are most certainly in the first peak of the D-K curve.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Psychoquackery.

But it fits you well.

 

[lwf]

Who has rejected anything on such a basis (other than Nightmare and his sock puppet)?

Would you be willing to walk through the numbers on Greenland's ice mass balance with me? If you are unable to see how they could possibly match those of the offical NASA levels and show the opposite would you be willing to change your mind?

I was responding to Jack Hays' assertion that consensus is evidence of fraud. I wasn't disagreeing or agreeing with you.

 

[lwf]

They are perfectly free to do so. Then we let the data decide.

Which data? The data that the consensus of the scientific community has determined is valid, or the data that one alternative kook prefers to use?

 

[Tim the plumber]

I was responding to Jack Hays' assertion that consensus is evidence of fraud. I wasn't disagreeing or agreeing with you.

When consensus is cited as the support needed rather than the actual mechanisms explained it looks a lot like it.

 

[Jack Hays]

Which data? The data that the consensus of the scientific community has determined is valid, or the data that one alternative kook prefers to use?

It only takes one result. And there are no kooks involved.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Which data? The data that the consensus of the scientific community has determined is valid, or the data that one alternative kook prefers to use?

Again can we look at the Greenland precipitation data and the alleged outflow and see if there could be some sort of missmatch?

 

[lwf]

When consensus is cited as the support needed rather than the actual mechanisms explained it looks a lot like it.

Sorry. No offense, but I hadn't even gotten to your post when I responded to Jack Hays' comment.

 

[lwf]

It only takes one result. And there are no kooks involved.

One is an anomaly. Two is a coincidence. Three is a trend. Get some consensus if you want your data to be taken seriously.

 

[bubbabgone]

Insects Are Dying En Masse, Risking ‘Catastrophic’ Collapse Of Earth’s Ecosystems

Catastrophic damage to the food chain will occur if insect populations keep dying off. Wild bumblebees have almost disappeared in the United States.

Related: Worldwide decline of the entomofauna: A review of its drivers

Bumblebee listed as endangered species for first time

I understand there were location and data availability problems with the P.R. rainforest data used in at least one of the recent studies cited.
Regardless, I suspect a decline in # of bumble bees is likely due in large to pesticides. Lumping climate change with other causes is ludicrous as is misidentifying honey bees as bumble bees in the video.

 

[Jack Hays]

One is an anomaly. Two is a coincidence. Three is a trend. Get some consensus if you want your data to be taken seriously.

[h=1]“Why 100? If I were wrong, one would have been enough. "[In response to the book "Hundred Authors Against Einstein"]”[/h]
― Albert Einstein

 

[Lord of Planar]

Agreed. But consensus is not evidence of fraud. You can't outright reject something solely because there is scientific consensus on it. Consensus isn't proof of course, but it is strong evidence in favor of an idea. Extraordinary claims (claims in opposition to consensus) require extraordinary evidence.

It was once favored that the earth was flat. We have learned better since.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I was responding to Jack Hays' assertion that consensus is evidence of fraud. I wasn't disagreeing or agreeing with you.

I don't think he ever implied consensus was fraud. I never have. I have always said consensus is not science.

 

[Lord of Planar]

One is an anomaly. Two is a coincidence. Three is a trend. Get some consensus if you want your data to be taken seriously.

But for one to be denied....

 

[Quaestio]

[h=1]“Why 100? If I were wrong, one would have been enough. "[In response to the book "Hundred Authors Against Einstein"]”[/h]
― Albert Einstein

Great, so the dozens of studies showing your pet galactic rays hypothesis is wrong, should be more than enough for you.