India dumps F35

[Lord Tammerlain]

Well there are air to air combat drones for taking out other drones, and it would be trivial to equip larger models with air to air missiles. It isn't necessary though because of the proliferation of manpads, and the vulnerability the aircraft face on the ground from drones.

Within 10 years what is being referred to as loyal wingman will be in operation. Cheaper, but not cheap drones that can keep up with manned fighters. Carrying more missiles and or electronic warfare equipment.

The more important function is the dual channel AA missiles that use radar from other sources to guide it close to the target ( ie stealth aircraft being picked up on long bandwidth radar) then using its own radar to lock on when close enough.

The pl15 is reported to be dual channel and used radar from Pakistani AWACs to guide it close to the Indian jets, then locked on within 30 km using its own radar. Allowing the Pakistani jets to fire missiles far outside of the Indian jet ranges.

Of course this tactic depends in AWACs to work, and losing them means other sources of radar us required

 

[JMB1911A1]

You likely have newer info that I, but my information is that Canada is going with France on new jets. I can't recall where I read it, but it as I understand France has some planes Canada needs now. AND, knowing the mindset of Ottawa, they're giving the blimp the finger.

I don't think Americans are aware of how offensive his ****ing rhetoric is.


Our provincial government is being pressured by some to withdraw our water bombers from California's fires in a "**** Trump" move.

No decision yet. Of the 88 jets we ordered we're committed to 18.

The other consideration is that the RCAF has spent billions in infrastructure preparing for the F-35. They need to determine if that can be repurposed.

If we ditched the US plane we'd have to go through the procurement process again which would take years.

My thinking is that we should be sourcing from allies. Take the 18 we're committed to and start looking at European offerings.

Buying 18 F-35 is a stupid economic decision. However, it looks like Canada has realized that the F-35 is the way to go.

MSN

In the meantime, however, one thing is clear: Canada is committing fully to the F-35.

Canada wants loyal wingman drones and the two closest to fielding are the YFQ-42A and YFQ-44A. And guess what platforms those are designed to work with.

 

[Allan]

In the meantime, however, one thing is clear: Canada is committing fully to the F-35.

I don't think the review is complete but I wouldn't be surprised nor disappointed if we go with the F-35.

Politics aside our RCAF pilots deserve the best kit available. Carney is a pragmatic decision maker so will make the right call imo.

 

[JMB1911A1]

I don't think the review is complete but I wouldn't be surprised nor disappointed if we go with the F-35.

Politics aside our RCAF pilots deserve the best kit available. Carney is a pragmatic decision maker so will make the right call imo.

Carney is a blithering idiot who is going to have to back down from his previous statements. The best kit on the table has always been the F-35. The Israelis proved that over Iran.

MSN

 

[Allan]

Carney is a blithering idiot

Says the Trump supporter

who is going to have to back down from his previous statements.

What specific F-35 statements?

 

[Tigerace117]

Carney is a blithering idiot who is going to have to back down from his previous statements. The best kit on the table has always been the F-35. The Israelis proved that over Iran.

MSN

The F-35 is the perfect plane is the perfect plane if the Canadians want a worthless brick that sits on the runway as the U.S. goose steps in to occupy them. A freaking Me-109 would be more useful.

 

[Allan]

The F-35 is the perfect plane is the perfect plane if the Canadians want a worthless brick that sits on the runway as the U.S. goose steps in to occupy them. A freaking Me-109 would be more useful.

Hello - post 55?

 

[Tigerace117]

Hello - post 55?

Trump’s made it pretty clear any exports the US supplies are going to be dumbed down variants because “the countries might not be our friends in the future”

 

[JMB1911A1]

The F-35 is the perfect plane is the perfect plane if the Canadians want a worthless brick that sits on the runway as the U.S. goose steps in to occupy them. A freaking Me-109 would be more useful.

Yeah, those F-35 bricks were useless over Iran. I guess when your military knowledge is based on video games….

 

[Allan]

Yeah, those F-35 bricks were useless over Iran. I guess when your military knowledge is based on video games….

Hello - post 55.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yeah, those F-35 bricks were useless over Iran. I guess when your military knowledge is based on video games….

Yeah, the U.S. and Israel accomplishing precisely nothing other then showing why Iran has no room to abandon its—totally unhindered—nuclear program sure showed them

But I get after the colossal incompetence the U.S. proudly displays time and again you aren’t capable of facing up to reality

 

[Allan]

Yeah, the U.S. and Israel accomplishing precisely nothing other then showing why Iran has no room to abandon its—totally unhindered—nuclear program sure showed them

But I get after the colossal incompetence the U.S. proudly displays time and again you aren’t capable of facing up to reality

Official Iranian statement:
"Yeah bro you totally destroyed our nuclear program. Nothing to see here".

 

[Tigerace117]

Official Iranian statement:
"Yeah bro you totally destroyed our nuclear program. Nothing to see here".

“Totally dude, pay no attention to the fact we moved everything a while ago. You blew up a bunch of sand and rocks. The sand and rocks were very evil “

 

[JMB1911A1]

Yeah, the U.S. and Israel accomplishing precisely nothing other then showing why Iran has no room to abandon its—totally unhindered—nuclear program sure showed them

But I get after the colossal incompetence the U.S. proudly displays time and again you aren’t capable of facing up to reality

You do realize that Iran had a very sophisticated IADS, right. That is until the Israeli F-35s romped all over it.

Do you know what an IADS is?

 

[Tigerace117]

You do realize that Iran had a very sophisticated IADS, right. That is until the Israeli F-35s romped all over it.

Do you know what an IADS is?

You do realize Iran had no reason to go all out against strikes that weren’t actually harming their precious nuclear program...right?

Yeah, Israel romped all over international law and now we’ve heard plenty of sobbing and squealing and blubbering from Bibi and the rest of the war criminal losers who can practically feel their dreams slipping away minute by minute....much like America failed pathetically to save apartheid in South Africa.

 

[JMB1911A1]

You do realize Iran had no reason to go all out against strikes that weren’t actually harming their precious nuclear program...right?

Yeah, Israel romped all over international law and now we’ve heard plenty of sobbing and squealing and blubbering from Bibi and the rest of the war criminal losers who can practically feel their dreams slipping away minute by minute....much like America failed pathetically to save apartheid in South Africa.

Deflection noted. The vaunted Iranian IADS was meat on the table for the Israeli F-35s. It must just burn you up to see US technology being so effective.

 

[Tigerace117]

Deflection noted. The vaunted Iranian IADS was meat on the table for the Israeli F-35s. It must just burn you up to see US technology being so effective.

Yeah, America claimed Iran’s nuclear program was “meat” too. Then gee, whoops, turns out the strikes didn’t do shit against it.

It must just burn you up to see American technology fail pathetically....just like in Yemen....and Ukraine.... and across the globe, really.

 

[Fledermaus]

Deflection noted. The vaunted Iranian IADS was meat on the table for the Israeli F-35s. It must just burn you up to see US technology being so effective.

US technology could demonstrate 100:1 kill ratio and still some would deny it's efficiency.

 

[JMB1911A1]

US technology could demonstrate 100:1 kill ratio and still some would deny it's efficiency.

When your military experience is as deep as car park puddle, you tend to leap to faulty inferences.

 

[Tigerace117]

When your military experience is as deep as car park puddle, you tend to leap to faulty inferences.

Gee dude, no amount of flailing can change the fact Israel’s supposed “romping” accomplished…..

Nothing.

Just like US military in general over the twenty five plus years, for that matter

 

[Allan]

Carney is a blithering idiot who is going to have to back down from his previous statements.

Any chance this century you'll tell us what Carney's "previous statements" about the F-35 were?

 

[LouC]

America can't be trusted by anyone, anymore.

So true, now that we are MAGA!!!

 

[Luce]

Gee dude, no amount of flailing can change the fact Israel’s supposed “romping” accomplished…..

Nothing.

Just like US military in general over the twenty five plus years, for that matter

I can say one thing that the US military in general succeeded at in the last 25 years, if you like.

 

[Luce]

Yeah, America claimed Iran’s nuclear program was “meat” too. Then gee, whoops, turns out the strikes didn’t do shit against it.

That is in no way a function of the F35, as the F35 has no non-nuclear way to attack deep bunkers.

That's the badly planned use of B2s.

 

[Tigerace117]

I can say one thing that the US military in general succeeded at in the last 25 years, if you like.

Failing to learn from its mistakes?

Covering up war crimes and refusing to punish those responsible for them when they couldn’t?

Running, like, six different installations into the ground so badly Fort Hood is producing a seeming never ending stream of mysterious deaths?

Not sure I’d call any of that succeeding, really.