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Independents souring on impeachment

Keridan said:
The irony spewing from your partisanship is well noted(period) Now imagine if you could get past it and learn from experience! Your whole life could be better
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Laughable. As you sit here condoning idiocy while I clearly educate you. The house has passed hundreds of bills the Senate has refused to discuss. What else do you want them to do?

They are working - you just ignore that, and then claim they're not. They've passed 400+ bills the senate refuses to even discuss. If anything, your ire should be on the republicans, who are mired in scandal, some of them implicated in this Ukraine dance themselves, who are willingly blocking everything the house passes.

And you blame the dems?

LOL.
 
apdst said:
Nothing illegal going on.
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Legality is not a question that is relevant to impeachment, then again, I am pretty sure there is criminality going on. Accoridng to yesterday's ruling, Trump is illegally ordering obstruction and illegally using executive privilege.

How do you 'splain that one?
 
Obscurity said:
Laughable. As you sit here condoning idiocy while I clearly educate you. The house has passed hundreds of bills the Senate has refused to discuss. What else do you want them to do?

They are working - you just ignore that, and then claim they're not. They've passed 400+ bills the senate refuses to even discuss. If anything, your ire should be on the republicans, who are mired in scandal, some of them implicated in this Ukraine dance themselves, who are willingly blocking everything the house passes.

And you blame the dems?

LOL.
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Really having trouble today, eh? Can't prove them dems haven't totally screwed this up and wrote several embarrassing posts and your follow up is to show that the other side has screwed up?

Of course the republicans are screwing up! They do a lot of that! In fact, if you can follow logic far enough, I will walk you to why that makes this embarrassment of the dems so much worse! Mitch does NOTHING and he wins, Trump screws up and he wins, etc etc; All because the dems are so busy fighting losing battles and screaming on every channel how much they just won that no one is noticing the guys ignoring their duties

It's funny that for the first time in my many years, there is a chance that the first party that starts governing can win the day, but they are so busy being idiots at each other that they don't even see the opportunity
 
Keridan said:
Really having trouble today, eh? Can't prove them dems haven't totally screwed this up and wrote several embarrassing posts and your follow up is to show that the other side has screwed up?

Of course the republicans are screwing up! They do a lot of that! In fact, if you can follow logic far enough, I will walk you to why that makes this embarrassment of the dems so much worse! Mitch does NOTHING and he wins, Trump screws up and he wins, etc etc; All because the dems are so busy fighting losing battles and screaming on every channel how much they just won that no one is noticing the guys ignoring their duties

It's funny that for the first time in my many years, there is a chance that the first party that starts governing can win the day, but they are so busy being idiots at each other that they don't even see the opportunity
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The dems are the only party governing. The old Gingrich strategy still works, apparently. Make the government broken and republicans win. If government works, they lose.

Trouble? I'm having no trouble. It's you who has to square the circle with your ideological perspective and your blatantly sardonic posts. You claim the dems do nothing; you are educated on that now.

You claim the congress should get back to work; you've been educated, yet now you move the goalposts.

Now you claim I can't prove dems HAVEN'T screwed things up - how the **** do I prove a negative? It's your opinion of things that they aren't working. That's your circle, now you gotta square it.

The dems are doing what they must do. Impeaching a lawless president who peddles our apportioned funding for political gain.

If that's acceptable to you, I suggest you go read the gulag archipelago, and get an understanding of what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like, where smears are peddled for favors, and everyone is out to get everyone else, all for the praise of the Premier.
 
less right said:
Cohen is in jail. Your "even if" was proven and Cohen got jail time. What you know turns out to be a bad guess at best.
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not at all. making stuff up though is what leftist do best.
 
Obscurity said:
The dems are the only party governing. The old Gingrich strategy still works, apparently. Make the government broken and republicans win. If government works, they lose.

Trouble? I'm having no trouble. It's you who has to square the circle with your ideological perspective and your blatantly sardonic posts. You claim the dems do nothing; you are educated on that now.

You claim the congress should get back to work; you've been educated, yet now you move the goalposts.

Now you claim I can't prove dems HAVEN'T screwed things up - how the **** do I prove a negative? It's your opinion of things that they aren't working. That's your circle, now you gotta square it.

The dems are doing what they must do. Impeaching a lawless president who peddles our apportioned funding for political gain.

If that's acceptable to you, I suggest you go read the gulag archipelago, and get an understanding of what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like, where smears are peddled for favors, and everyone is out to get everyone else, all for the praise of the Premier.
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I'm sorry, I have to require a basic sense of logic and sense of what's going on to keep engaging someone; You have continued to prove you are oblivious to anything you don't agree with(period) You can't even understand when you are deflecting and claim victory when you go back and accuse your better of moving the goal posts even though there was no challenge to provide information or even point-counterpoint after you went off rails(period)

Since you obviously don't need an opponent when you will be arguing what you thought you heard anyway, you probably won't notice my departing the argument

I will wait for someone who wants to discuss or understand or at least someone who is a worthy opponent

Have a good day!
 
Obscurity said:
Who said anything about crimes? I said ETHICS.

Wow you guys don't understand what words even mean.
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your the one ranting about it.

presidents pardon criminals all the time i guess they are unethical for doing it.
presidents have done it for years and years.

lets see if you can be consistent.
no i know the definition of the words i use.

your the one acting as if he has committed an impeachable offense by pardoning someone.
 
Keridan said:
I'm sorry, I have to require a basic sense of logic and sense of what's going on to keep engaging someone; You have continued to prove you are oblivious to anything you don't agree with(period) You can't even understand when you are deflecting and claim victory when you go back and accuse your better of moving the goal posts even though there was no challenge to provide information or even point-counterpoint after you went off rails(period)

Since you obviously don't need an opponent when you will be arguing what you thought you heard anyway, you probably won't notice my departing the argument

I will wait for someone who wants to discuss or understand or at least someone who is a worthy opponent

Have a good day!
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Translation: you got your ass whooped on the point about dems "doing something" and then tucked your head in the sand.

Sashay!
 
Obscurity said:
Translation: you got your ass whooped on the point about dems "doing something" and then tucked your head in the sand.

Sashay!
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Thank you for one final proof of the insanity of hoping you will catch up to the conversation! Good luck with that and all!
 
ludin said:
your the one ranting about it.

presidents pardon criminals all the time i guess they are unethical for doing it.
presidents have done it for years and years.

lets see if you can be consistent.
no i know the definition of the words i use.

your the one acting as if he has committed an impeachable offense by pardoning someone.
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I didn't say he should be impeached for it. I am making the claim he does these things to please fox news, not because of some valid reason, though he doesn't need one, he is the CiC.

Again, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

He pardoned a guy who ordered his troops to shoot at children.

That shows an air of absolute idiocy that is unbecoming for a CiC.
 
Keridan said:
Thank you for one final proof of the insanity of hoping you will catch up to the conversation! Good luck with that and all!
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Like I said, Sashay away. No one cares.
 
less right said:
You don't really have any rational arguments or relevant examples.

I tire of arguing against talking points rather quickly.
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i just gave it to you and you did the typical leftist denial fallacy.
cohen is in jail because he admitted to it.

him admitting to committing a campaign violation is not proof of trump committing a campaign violation.
we do not do guilt by association in this country although leftist do.

the facts are the facts if there is a campaign violation it goes against the campaign not the candidate.

by law trump can spend as much of his own money on his campaign as he wants. he has no limit on how much
money he can spend.

then come up with some actual arguments instead of the talking points you keep posting.
 
Keridan said:
Thank you for one final proof of the insanity of hoping you will catch up to the conversation! Good luck with that and all!
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he pretty much never argues the point.
 
ludin said:
he pretty much never argues the point.
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But sure is quick to claim victory on what he thought you might have meant if you had just said something completely different and went down the crazy thought train
 
Obscurity said:
I didn't say he should be impeached for it. I am making the claim he does these things to please fox news, not because of some valid reason, though he doesn't need one, he is the CiC.

Again, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

He pardoned a guy who ordered his troops to shoot at children.

That shows an air of absolute idiocy that is unbecoming for a CiC.
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I don't know who you are talking about no one was tried or found guilty of ordering troops to shoot at children.
the only one that i saw that came close was Clint Lorance.

he was found guilty for ordering his troops to shoot at 3 men on a motorcycle while on patrol.
however there was some evidence left out.

1. They had afgan troops that started shooting first.
2. The guys on the bike were actually bomb makers for the taliban.

those items were never allowed to be entered into evidence.

no where have i found that anyone ordered their troops to fire at children you will need to back that up with some support.
i mean actual support not your leftist rag article that you read.
 
ludin said:
I don't know who you are talking about no one was tried or found guilty of ordering troops to shoot at children.
the only one that i saw that came close was Clint Lorance.

he was found guilty for ordering his troops to shoot at 3 men on a motorcycle while on patrol.
however there was some evidence left out.

1. They had afgan troops that started shooting first.
2. The guys on the bike were actually bomb makers for the taliban.

those items were never allowed to be entered into evidence.

no where have i found that anyone ordered their troops to fire at children you will need to back that up with some support.
i mean actual support not your leftist rag article that you read.
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Sorry, I'm not engaging anyone who says I use "leftist rag articles."

You're not worth my time. Kthx.
 
Thoreau72 said:
Recent presidents have done far more than commit extortion and bribery with no consequences.

Don't the congresscritters have anything better to do?

We passed the tipping point for crimes committed by presidents quite some time ago, and the world is still turning. Washington DC is the quintessential Gangsta's Paradise, and has been.
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Spoilsport! :(
 

Independent support for impeachment inquiry rises following public hearings: poll


Independent support for the impeachment inquiry rose after the public hearings, according to a poll released Tuesday.

The Politico/Morning Consult poll showed 44 percent of independent voters surveyed backed the impeachment inquiry, a 4-point jump from last week’s poll. Independent opposition to the inquiry also dropped 8 points to 39 percent.
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Overall, registered voters in the poll backed the impeachment inquiry at the same rate as last week, at 48 percent, but opposition to the investigation slipped by 2 points to 43 percent.
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Aw shucks, another day another poll, this one moving in the other direction.

I guess Pelosi can proceed now. Thanks.
 
Helix said:
I meant civil war between Tweetycult and the rest of us if they throw a tantrum.
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OK, I see what you mean now.

In a sense the civil war you describe, the war between political factions, has been going on for some time now. At least as long as Rush Limbaugh and others began trying to change the meaning of the word 'liberal' from a positive connotation to a negative one.
 
Thoreau72 said:
OK, I see what you mean now.

In a sense the civil war you describe, the war between political factions, has been going on for some time now. At least as long as Rush Limbaugh and others began trying to change the meaning of the word 'liberal' from a positive connotation to a negative one.
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A two party duopoly system pretty much dooms us to periods of extreme divisions. It's an ideal system for those with power to manipulate. In my opinion, it's fundamentally flawed, and will probably fail eventually.
 
Helix said:
A two party duopoly system pretty much dooms us to periods of extreme divisions. It's an ideal system for those with power to manipulate. In my opinion, it's fundamentally flawed, and will probably fail eventually.
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A fair argument could be made that it has failed already, in a spectacular fashion.

We do not have a democracy. We have a fascist oligarchy.
 
Thoreau72 said:
A fair argument could be made that it has failed already, in a spectacular fashion.

We do not have a democracy. We have a fascist oligarchy.
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Fascism? I don't know. Definitely a kleptocracy, though.
 
The #1 best move that Trunp has made so far is forbidding people to testify in front of Congress.

That's genius and what a crooked CEO would do.

I'm not sure if it holds up forever though. And since we're in the middle of the investigations, just like with Watergate, the public's attitude is going to ebb and flow. Until the hammer drops.
 
Thoreau72 said:
A fair argument could be made that it has failed already, in a spectacular fashion. We do not have a democracy. We have a fascist oligarchy.
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More soviet style, but authoritarian in any event. Look how the system is trying to expel what it considers an outsider.
 
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