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[poweRob]

For some odd reason, people are rewriting history. The minority party can't stop jack ****. Just ask the Republicans how well they stopped the passage of the ACA and Dodd-Frank when they were the minority party.

I guess anything to cover for Trump's ineptitude as the leader of the party in control of the WH and both Houses of Congress is good enough for the citizens of Trump Fan Nation, though. It fails every time, but everyone should get a trophy for participating.

They can stop some stuff in the senate with the filibuster but in the house... minority has absolutely nothing.

 

[tres borrachos]

That's the problem. There are very, very few moderate Republicans in the House. The redefined establishment Republicans are just conservatives. The Tea Party Republicans that are die hards are populists, but aren't quite willing to embrace Trump's every whim. Then you have the Trump fluffers. That's the balance of power in the House GOP. The moderates are neither numerous, nor influential.

Anyone who even sniffs of being a moderate Republican is called a RINO and then finds himself or herself on the receiving end of abuse from Trump and his loyal fan base.

I'm tired of them, to be honest. I joined the party in 1980 with such enthusiasm, and I have witnessed their descent into the sewer since then. It's upsetting.

 

[Fiddytree]

Anyone who even sniffs of being a moderate Republican is called a RINO and then finds himself or herself on the receiving end of abuse from Trump and his loyal fan base.

I'm tired of them, to be honest. I joined the party in 1980 with such enthusiasm, and I have witnessed their descent into the sewer since then. It's upsetting.

Hey, in the last two years I went from being an avid Bush guy to reluctantly (but patriotically) voting for Clinton over Trump, to being horrified at the Republican legislative process and embracing "blue wave" politics, to being fed up with Obama-Clinton-Sanders voter intransigence.

I'm getting tired of the body politic, basically.

 

[Floridafan]

Never. However, when Obama stated at the begginning of his first term that the republicans can come along for the ride but they had to stay in the back of the bus, it didn't help his cause.

Would you direct us to a quote when Obama said that? It never happened!

 

[Removable Mind]

Anyone who even sniffs of being a moderate Republican is called a RINO and then finds himself or herself on the receiving end of abuse from Trump and his loyal fan base.

I'm tired of them, to be honest. I joined the party in 1980 with such enthusiasm, and I have witnessed their descent into the sewer since then. It's upsetting.

The first president I voted for was Nixon. And despite him being "a Crook", which he denied, I continued to vote Republican until W. Bush came along. Being a native Texan, I'd had enough of him as Gov. Then in Texas, the government nightmares really took off with Perry and now with Abbott serving as Gov. And I need to also credit a pretty radical legislation for Texas' state for utilizing authoritarian type of governing tactics. They almost made me miss W. Bush.

Now, as a "recovering republican" I have no regrets disassociating myself with the party. I'll never be a member of any political party for the remainder of my life.

 

[azgreg]

Would you direct us to a quote when Obama said that? It never happened!

I didn't get the quote exactly right but I was close.



“we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

 

[Floridafan]

I didn't get the quote exactly right but I was close.



“we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

Maybe if you would post an entire quote, as opposed to taking a few words most likely that are totally out of context. But then again if you did, it wouldn't fit your agenda.

 

[azgreg]

Maybe if you would post an entire quote, as opposed to taking a few words most likely that are totally out of context. But then again if you did, it wouldn't fit your agenda.

I don't have an agenda. He said what he said. The point was it was a divisive quote and it didn't help his cause in the least.

 

[Floridafan]

I don't have an agenda. He said what he said. The point was it was a divisive quote and it didn't help his cause in the least.

A couple of words mean nothing within an entire text. If you are so confident post his entire remarks, not the BS you attempted.

 

[leekohler2]

I don't have an agenda. He said what he said. The point was it was a divisive quote and it didn't help his cause in the least.

Then post the entire speech.

 

[azgreg]

A couple of words mean nothing within an entire text. If you are so confident post his entire remarks, not the BS you attempted.

You and I both know what he said and we both know what he meant. I don't disagree with him. My point was the line was divisive and republicans latched on to it for ages.

 

[tres borrachos]

The first president I voted for was Nixon. And despite him being "a Crook", which he denied, I continued to vote Republican until W. Bush came along. Being a native Texan, I'd had enough of him as Gov. Then in Texas, the government nightmares really took off with Perry and now with Abbott serving as Gov. And I need to also credit a pretty radical legislation for Texas' state for utilizing authoritarian type of governing tactics. They almost made me miss W. Bush.

Now, as a "recovering republican" I have no regrets disassociating myself with the party. I'll never be a member of any political party for the remainder of my life.

I've never voted for any major candidate who isn't a Republican, since 1980. Never in the Presidential race (except 2016 when I voted for Johnson because I wouldn't vote for the man who occupies the Oval Office today). I am so done with the GOP. They have failed me completely. They have allowed that man to commandeer the party for his own perverse pleasure and gain. It makes me sick.

I have to declare a party to vote in the NH primaries, so I'll continue to stay a registered Republican. But in the generals, forget it. All bets are off. I will vote for the person and no longer the party. If the GOP candidate is the best, that person gets my vote. If not, his or her opponent does.

 

[Moderate Right]

When during the 8 years of Obama did Republicans ever attempt to work with Democrats?

In other words you are voting for constant gridlock and screw the country. By the way, Obama's last two years it is HE who should have been working with the Republican congress.

 

[Moderate Right]

You mean like the Republicans worked with the Democrats while Obama was President?

Just stop. I'm being honest that there is partisanship, and I'm being both honest AND realistic in saying that the Freedom Caucus is the responsibility of the Republicans - NOT the Democrats. Just like I don't and never would blame the Republicans for what the CBC or the far left Democrats say and do. Why hasn't Paul Ryan changed Nancy Pelosi? Why hasn't Mitch McConnell changed Dianne Feinstein? Because they can't. Nor should they try. It isn't their problem.

Well, the last two years of Obama's presidency, it is he who should have been working with the Republican congress. Fact is ever since Trump was elected, Democrats have been nothing but the resistance. If that's what you want out of Congress, constant gridlock, then that's what we've got. Screw the country. No reason why moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans can't work together for the good of the country. By the way, if Kasich had won the presidency, you would have wanted moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans to work together. How is that any different with Trump as president? Trump is not a dictator. Congress makes the laws and sends them to the president's desk to sign, whether Trump is president or Kasich is president.

 

[Removable Mind]

I've never voted for any major candidate who isn't a Republican, since 1980. Never in the Presidential race (except 2016 when I voted for Johnson because I wouldn't vote for the man who occupies the Oval Office today). I am so done with the GOP. They have failed me completely. They have allowed that man to commandeer the party for his own perverse pleasure and gain. It makes me sick.

I have to declare a party to vote in the NH primaries, so I'll continue to stay a registered Republican. But in the generals, forget it. All bets are off. I will vote for the person and no longer the party. If the GOP candidate is the best, that person gets my vote. If not, his or her opponent does.

Like NH, Texas doesn't allow for "Independent Primaries", which is the biggest shame of all. People are a slave to parties by not allowing "Independent Primaries", which includes candidates from all parties (GOP, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Orange, Purple, etc party candidates). I "was" doing exactly as you until Obama's second term. I haven't voted in a primary since, which truly sucks, and I feel cheated because we're held hostage to two parties. But I'm simply not going to align myself with any party affiliation.

 

[tres borrachos]

Like NH, Texas doesn't allow for "Independent Primaries", which is the biggest shame of all. People are a slave to parties by not allowing "Independent Primaries", which includes candidates from all parties (GOP, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Orange, Purple, etc party candidates). I "was" doing exactly as you until Obama's second term. I haven't voted in a primary since, which truly sucks, and I feel cheated because we're held hostage to two parties. But I'm simply not going to align myself with any party affiliation.

I love primary day here in NH. It's actually really fun for so many reasons. I have to stay registered so I can participate in it but without the usual excitement I've had since the first one I participated in here in 2000. That's sad. Truly.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I didn't get the quote exactly right but I was close.



“we can’t have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don’t mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back.”

Perhaps you also didn't grasp the analogy correctly...I'll help.

Economic policy= "the car"

The Great Recession="the ditch"

He, Obama, had been using that analogy for years, but I find most on the right have a hard time with complicated concepts like....analogies.


Many of the Republicans who are running right now, these are the exact same folks who spent the last decade driving our economy into a ditch. And once we were elected, Joe and I, we put on our boots, we went down into that ditch. It was muddy and dusty down there and it was hot. And we started pushing on that car to get it out of the ditch. And we had a whole bunch of folks like Joe Sestak helping us push that car out of the ditch. (Applause.)

And every once in a while, we'd look up at the Republicans. They were -- they had driven into the ditch, but they had gotten out and they were kind of taking a break, fanning themselves and sipping on a Slurpee, watching us do all the work. And every once in a while they'd say, why don't you push harder? You're not pushing the right way, Obama. But they didn't help.

And after pushing and pushing over these last 20 months, finally we've got that car out of the ditch. (Applause.) Now, the car is a little dented up. The fender is a little busted. It needs a tune-up. But it's moving. It's pointing in the right direction. We're on level ground now. We're starting to make repairs. And suddenly we get a tap on our shoulder and we look back and who is it? It's the Republicans. And they say -- what are they saying? -- they say, we want the keys back.

AUDIENCE: No!

THE PRESIDENT: Philadelphia, they can't have the keys back. They don't know how to drive. (Applause.) They don't know how to drive. They can ride with us if they want, but they got to get in the back seat. (Applause.) Because we want to go forward. We don't want the special interests riding shotgun. We want working families, middle-class families, up front. They're our priority. [President Obama Remarks, 10/10/10 via WhiteHouse.gov; emphasis added]

Fact Checking The Sunday Shows - October 31, 2010 | Political Correction

 

[Floridafan]

In other words you are voting for constant gridlock and screw the country. By the way, Obama's last two years it is HE who should have been working with the Republican congress.

How do you work with a Congress that refuses toward with you? It was your kind who said screw the country when they refused to work with Obama from day one.

 

[Moderate Right]

How do you work with a Congress that refuses toward with you? It was your kind who said screw the country when they refused to work with Obama from day one.

Republicans owned 2/3's of the government, all of them elected by the people. It is Obama who should have worked with Republicans those last two years, not Republicans working with Obama. I'll give you the first two years. The middle years both sides should have worked together. But, I totally understand your attitude, they didn't work with us before so screw them now. Gridlock forever! Meanwhile, nothing gets done and nothing will get done for decades to come.

 

[Floridafan]

Republicans owned 2/3's of the government, all of them elected by the people. It is Obama who should have worked with Republicans those last two years, not Republicans working with Obama. I'll give you the first two years. The middle years both sides should have worked together. But, I totally understand your attitude, they didn't work with us before so screw them now. Gridlock forever! Meanwhile, nothing gets done and nothing will get done for decades to come.

It was your kind who started it when they initially refused to work with the President, and finally refused to even consider his SC nominee along with a whole lot more Federal appointments.

 

[Top Cat]

So you want Congress to play nice with each other? That's sweet. It also would be a first in the history of Congress.

That's patently false. There have always been differences, but there are plenty of examples of parties working together. In my own state, I think of the days of Scoop Jackson and Warren Magnusson. They both stepped across the aisle many times to get **** done.