I'm Tired of Trump Supporters Being Labeled "cultists"

[snakestretcher]

Hardly, you would fall off that horse if you ever had the courage to mount.

So you have nothing to say. Unsurprising.

 

[roguenuke]

So he paid close to a million dollar settlement and lost his right to practice law by admitting his mistakes? I heard nothing like that from Clinton.

Trump paid a $2M+ settlement to charities chosen by NY attorneys office and cannot ever operate a charity again. His children had to take classes on how charities and foundations should be operated legally.



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[Robertinfremont]

Trump paid a $2M+ settlement to charities chosen by NY attorneys office and cannot ever operate a charity again. His children had to take classes on how charities and foundations should be operated legally.



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Give me a bit of time to try to untangle what that has to do with why Clinton was impeached.

 

[calamity]

Give me a bit of time to try to untangle what that has to do with why Clinton was impeached.

While you're at it, digest what it means that Bolton has a leaky faucet which will drip out information on the regular. Trump is ****ed and so are all those senators with their lips glued to his ass.

 

[calamity]

Lol @ cultists triggered over being called out as cultists. :lamo

You really cannot make this **** up.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I'm Tired of Trump Supporters Being Labeled "cultists"

Give me a bit of time to try to untangle what that has to do with why Clinton was impeached.

You stated Clinton had to pay a settlement and lost his license to practice law. That isnt why he was impeached. He admitted to lying, apologized for it still faced those punishments because apologizing doesnt take the place for punishment. He was impeached because he lied under oath about an affair. The proper punishment for that is losing his license and paying a settlement in many cases. Trying to remove him from office for it is petty since it had nothing to do with his ability to govern the country. The prevailing philosophy for it at the time was "well he was caught lying, UNDER OATH". So what? Trump is caught lying almost every day about important stuff. Whether Clinton had a consensual affair with an intern really wasnt that important to the nation. Hence the outcome.

And I'm saying that running a scam foundation that has already been shut down by the government for dirty practices, had purported itself as a kind of charity that receives donations and gave them out to veterans or others but then reneged on that or only gave a small fraction of what it received to those charities, lied about who was on their board and what they did/were set up for, broke laws related to campaign use and what such organizations can do, and more generally demonstrated what sort of corruption a person would be involved with is far worse than lying under oath, particularly when the owner of that foundation would fight tooth and nail against testifying under oath as they know they would be caught lying in a heartbeat.

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[Robertinfremont]

Re: I'm Tired of Trump Supporters Being Labeled "cultists"

You stated Clinton had to pay a settlement and lost his license to practice law. That isnt why he was impeached. He admitted to lying, apologized for it still faced those punishments because apologizing doesnt take the place for punishment. He was impeached because he lied under oath about an affair. The proper punishment for that is losing his license and paying a settlement in many cases. Trying to remove him from office for it is petty since it had nothing to do with his ability to govern the country. The prevailing philosophy for it at the time was "well he was caught lying, UNDER OATH". So what? Trump is caught lying almost every day about important stuff. Whether Clinton had a consensual affair with an intern really wasnt that important to the nation. Hence the outcome.

And I'm saying that running a scam foundation that has already been shut down by the government for dirty practices, had purported itself as a kind of charity that receives donations and gave them out to veterans or others but then reneged on that or only gave a small fraction of what it received to those charities, lied about who was on their board and what they did/were set up for, broke laws related to campaign use and what such organizations can do, and more generally demonstrated what sort of corruption a person would be involved with is far worse than lying under oath, particularly when the owner of that foundation would fight tooth and nail against testifying under oath as they know they would be caught lying in a heartbeat.

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What does his abuse against Lewinski have to do with him being charged for the following counts?

You know, rape is also about sex.

House of Representatives impeachment votes
On December 11, 1998, the House Judiciary Committee agreed to send three articles of impeachment to the full House for consideration. The vote on two articles, grand jury perjury and obstruction of justice, was 21–17, both along party lines.
Charges: Perjury (2), obstruction of justice, ab...
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

 

[Robertinfremont]

Re: I'm Tired of Trump Supporters Being Labeled "cultists"

You stated Clinton had to pay a settlement and lost his license to practice law. That isnt why he was impeached. He admitted to lying, apologized for it still faced those punishments because apologizing doesnt take the place for punishment. He was impeached because he lied under oath about an affair. The proper punishment for that is losing his license and paying a settlement in many cases. Trying to remove him from office for it is petty since it had nothing to do with his ability to govern the country. The prevailing philosophy for it at the time was "well he was caught lying, UNDER OATH". So what? Trump is caught lying almost every day about important stuff. Whether Clinton had a consensual affair with an intern really wasnt that important to the nation. Hence the outcome.

And I'm saying that running a scam foundation that has already been shut down by the government for dirty practices, had purported itself as a kind of charity that receives donations and gave them out to veterans or others but then reneged on that or only gave a small fraction of what it received to those charities, lied about who was on their board and what they did/were set up for, broke laws related to campaign use and what such organizations can do, and more generally demonstrated what sort of corruption a person would be involved with is far worse than lying under oath, particularly when the owner of that foundation would fight tooth and nail against testifying under oath as they know they would be caught lying in a heartbeat.

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Democrats never charged Trump with what you are discussing.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: I'm Tired of Trump Supporters Being Labeled "cultists"

Democrats never charged Trump with what you are discussing.

The case is still being investigated in NY and they cant charge a sitting President with a state crime according to enough scholars to keep them investigating for now.

Most of what I stated did however come out in the civil suit that Trump already lost.

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[tres borrachos]

Great point.

Take a look at the list of people who "liked" the OP. They're virtually all people who love to throw around "TDS."

All citizens of Trump Fan Nation toss around TDS like their toss their panties at Trump's feet.

Pathetic.

 

[Dayton3]

I still find being labeled a "cultist" insulting and degrading. And makes me much less wiling to take anything else a Trump critic says seriously.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Yes, I know lots of the people that use that term hate Donald Trump. I'll grant that they believe they have good reasons to do so.
I don't like Donald Trump myself. His personal history and the way he behaves is frequently repulsive and utterly disgusting. I did not vote for him.

But I support President Trump because I agree with most (not all) of the policies he has advanced as president and while I do not care in general for his "counterpunching" and "tweeting", I do admire considerably a Republican president who isn't afraid or unwilling to fight back.

Finally, I believe that the efforts people have made to oppose President Trump are far more dangerous to our country than anything President Trump has done or could conceivably do.

Thus, I find it galling to have myself (and others) labeled as "cultists". By no possible definition of the word is my support of President Trump in any way reminiscent of a cult member showing allegiance to their leader.

While I recognize that there might be some (very few) Trump supporters who would fit that stereotype, it definitely isn't most or even the majority of Trump supporters and I'm pretty sure even Trump haters would recognize that fact if they were honest.

OK, let's put your words to the test. You're not part of a personality cult like those who support Putin in Russia or Duterte in the Philippines.

Here are Trump's words:

Trump said that Pence “calls all the governors. And I tell him, I’m a different type of person, and I say, ’Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him.”

“Don’t call the woman in Michigan. It doesn’t make any difference what happens,” Trump also said he told Pence, who leads the U.S. response to the coronavirus.

Coronavirus: Trump told Pence not to call Washington, Michigan governors

Who is acting like a leader Trump or Pence? How can you deny that Trump is simply unfit?

A rational person would admit that indeed, Trump is "a different type of person." And that type of person is immature and simply unfit for the job of president.

You admit you like him because he "fights back." And that there is what makes this a PERSONALITY cult. You like his personality and you're willing to ignore the fact that he's dangerously incompetent. It's the same with Putin and Duterte.

 

[calamity]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you don't want to be identified as belonging to a cult, quit acting like cultists.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you don't want to be identified as belonging to a cult, quit acting like cultists.

People in a cult don't realize they're in a cult or behaving like cultists.

This is a personality cult. They like Trump's combative personality. They don't see that this is exactly what a personality cult is. People are so focused on the tough-guy personality that they ignore or minimize or rationalize their faults. They'll say, "I don't like some of the things he says but..."

If this were not a cult, his claim that he takes no responsibility, his claim that this was a Democrat hoax, or his blaming his predecessors would be the end of him politically.

 

[Dayton3]

While I like having a Republican president who "fights back' I don't like how Donald Trump does it. (though I do understand how many do).

I loathe Trump because:

1) He has been twice divorced and remarried.
2) His mindless pursuit of women.
3) His use of vulgar language.
4) His need for praise and validation.
5) His role in the demise of the United States Football League in the mid 1980s.
6) His narcissism. Going all the way back to his practice of putting his name on everything he owned beginning in the 1980s or so.
7) His very appearance though I suppose he can do nothing about that at this point.
8) The very sound of his voice. Which he could eliminate a good part of by shutting the hell up.
9) His trying to make nice with dictators.
10) Actual policywise, his allowing deficits to rise dangerously.

Happy everyone?

 

[Decypher]

I still find being labeled a "cultist" insulting and degrading. And makes me much less wiling to take anything else a Trump critic says seriously.

Well do you defend everything Trump says and does? No politician is perfect, but I personally have never seen such blind devotion shown by some towards this guy. Not saying that you do this, but it really comes across from some of his supporters that Donald walks on water. So many times I’ve read on this site people saying he’s the greatest president of all time. That just sounds like a personality cult. When I read about WWII and guys like Hitler or Mussolini and think how did they rise to power, how did everyone just buy into the whole thing? Then I read some of the things written here or look at that those crazy rallies he has and think that must be how it happened.

That’s not to say that the opposition to Trump is perfect either. I think perhaps those that oppose him can be a bit cult like themselves. I know I can be guilty of it. I detest the man so always think the worst of him, probably unfairly on occasion. His handling of the pandemic hasn’t been that bad in fairness. No country or leader has done an amazing job but everyone who hates Trump immediately thinks he has bungled the response which I don’t think he has.

To return to your comment, again I think this all or nothing mentality has taken hold. When I see someone defending Trump, I’m inclined to think they’re a brainwashed idiot. Same as when he is criticized, his supporter dismiss his critics as Nevertrumpers or TDS sufferers. The discourse has become poisoned as it was under Obama and Dubya. I think it is the most poisonous now and Trump has to take a lot of the blame for that because he won’t rise above it. He fans the flames of conflict, he trolls Democrats and the country has never been more divided. And anyone caught in the middle (like you possibly) is just collateral damage:

So maybe we all need to rise above it. Everyone is stuck at home, so where is all the hate coming from? I’m as guilty of it as anyone. Got 2 infractions in the last few days because I’m bored so I’m trolling Trump supporters all day. No more, let’s be kinder to each other. I hope you’ll join me.

 

[OscarLevant]

Yes, I know lots of the people that use that term hate Donald Trump. I'll grant that they believe they have good reasons to do so.
I don't like Donald Trump myself. His personal history and the way he behaves is frequently repulsive and utterly disgusting. I did not vote for him.

But I support President Trump because I agree with most (not all) of the policies he has advanced as president and while I do not care in general for his "counterpunching" and "tweeting", I do admire considerably a Republican president who isn't afraid or unwilling to fight back.

Finally, I believe that the efforts people have made to oppose President Trump are far more dangerous to our country than anything President Trump has done or could conceivably do.

Thus, I find it galling to have myself (and others) labeled as "cultists". By no possible definition of the word is my support of President Trump in any way reminiscent of a cult member showing allegiance to their leader.

While I recognize that there might be some (very few) Trump supporters who would fit that stereotype, it definitely isn't most or even the majority of Trump supporters and I'm pretty sure even Trump haters would recognize that fact if they were honest.

From 1966 until 1975, I was a devout Scientologist.

I declared, many times, how I hated to be called a member of a cult, which the media and others who were not Scientologists often referred to us.

I abandoned the 'religion' in 1975 when I realized that any path to spiritual salvation should not cost the price of a yacht to get there, that didn't make sense. I was young and naive, so, 'blame it on my youth' ( as the song goes ).

The point is, I think I'm on good authority, having been in a cult, to know what a cult is and isn't.


Now, Trumpism isn't as cultish as say, the Moonies, or Scientology, or others, but it has a lot of traits in common. It's a movement which is built around a strong personality, which depends on that personality to exist. The leader will typically attack anyone who wavers from the flock, hire minions to go after you (or do it himself ) if you publicly criticize the leader, etc. L. Ron Hubbard did all of these things. Another very cultish phenomenon ( which is true about Trump ) is that his believers will go to no end and defy all logic and reason to defend him no matter what the evidence is or how incontrovertible or indefensible it is ( which is, in my humble opinion, actually a state of hypnosis ). I hate to tell you this, but when Trump is out of office, the GOP will be in shambles. That's why it's a cult.

So, calling you guys cultists is not a stretch, so you need to own it.

Or get out, and have an epiphany like I did in 1975.

 

[Iceberg Slim]

While I like having a Republican president who "fights back' I don't like how Donald Trump does it. (though I do understand how many do).

I loathe Trump because:

1) He has been twice divorced and remarried.
2) His mindless pursuit of women.
3) His use of vulgar language.
4) His need for praise and validation.
5) His role in the demise of the United States Football League in the mid 1980s.
6) His narcissism. Going all the way back to his practice of putting his name on everything he owned beginning in the 1980s or so.
7) His very appearance though I suppose he can do nothing about that at this point.
8) The very sound of his voice. Which he could eliminate a good part of by shutting the hell up.
9) His trying to make nice with dictators.
10) Actual policywise, his allowing deficits to rise dangerously.

Happy everyone?

But the way to demonstrate that you're not a cultist is to list the policy proposals you favored, the reasons and perhaps an update..

 

[ArtemisBarca]

Yes, I know lots of the people that use that term hate Donald Trump. I'll grant that they believe they have good reasons to do so.
I don't like Donald Trump myself. His personal history and the way he behaves is frequently repulsive and utterly disgusting. I did not vote for him.

But I support President Trump because I agree with most (not all) of the policies he has advanced as president and while I do not care in general for his "counterpunching" and "tweeting", I do admire considerably a Republican president who isn't afraid or unwilling to fight back.

Finally, I believe that the efforts people have made to oppose President Trump are far more dangerous to our country than anything President Trump has done or could conceivably do.

Thus, I find it galling to have myself (and others) labeled as "cultists". By no possible definition of the word is my support of President Trump in any way reminiscent of a cult member showing allegiance to their leader.

While I recognize that there might be some (very few) Trump supporters who would fit that stereotype, it definitely isn't most or even the majority of Trump supporters and I'm pretty sure even Trump haters would recognize that fact if they were honest.

Maybe stop being a cult??

Lol... just a thought.


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[ArtemisBarca]

I'm Tired of Trump Supporters Being Labeled "cultists"

But the way to demonstrate that you're not a cultist is to list the policy proposals you favored, the reasons and perhaps an update..

Didn’t the people accusing trump come after the debate he brought broadrick and Co. too??

I will always hate trump for bringing 3 known frauds falsely accusing Clinton of rape to a globally televised debate...

3 frauds trump himself called frauds repeatedly..


Not policy for sure...


But what kinda garbage human being does that?!?!


Even more so, any conservatives asked would likely say a false rape allegation is about 2 nose hairs above being a rapist, right???



And trump is LITERALLY the poster boy for fake rape allegations.


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[Iceberg Slim]

Didn’t the people accusing trump come after the debate he brought broadrick and Co. too??

I will always hate trump for bringing 3 known frauds falsely accusing Clinton of rape to a globally televised debate...

3 frauds trump himself called frauds repeatedly..


Not policy for sure...


But what kinda garbage human being does that?!?!


Even more so, any conservatives asked would likely say a false rape allegation is about 2 nose hairs above being a rapist, right???



And trump is LITERALLY the poster boy for fake rape allegations.


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What kind of human being?

This is the dirtbag who had his bimbo go front page in the NYPost to celebrate his love making prowess..

A 7 ply loser.

 

[Hypothetical]

And there are people on this forum who behave as if they are in the cult of Trump.

citation?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I don't like Donald Trump myself. His personal history and the way he behaves is frequently repulsive and utterly disgusting. I did not vote for him.

But I support President Trump because I agree with most (not all) of the policies he has advanced as president and while I do not care in general for his "counterpunching" and "tweeting", I do admire considerably a Republican president who isn't afraid or unwilling to fight back.

Thus, I find it galling to have myself (and others) labeled as "cultists". By no possible definition of the word is my support of President Trump in any way reminiscent of a cult member showing allegiance to their leader.

What I find interesting is that while you claim you don't like Trump and you find his behavior repulsive and disgusting, and you do not care for his counterpunching and tweeting, there is no evidence in you posting history to support this. Every post I can see in your history involving Trump as the topic suggests you are willing and enthusiastically supportive of the president, no matter what he says or does.

What you are highly critical of is people who call out Trump's lies and bad behavior. That is a constant theme in virtually all of your posts.

I'm not singling you out. There are many, many other posters on this board who also support Trump regardless of his lies or bad behavior. I just find it somewhat amusing that you protest in this way while anyone can simply look at your posting history and the disparity in what you claim and your history.

But by all means, please continue to claim you're not a fan of Trump.

 

[PoS]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If you don't want to be identified as belonging to a cult, quit acting like cultists.

The irony of the Trump Derangement Syndrome cultists continues...

 

[Iceberg Slim]

The irony of the Trump Derangement Syndrome cultists continues...

What are his merits?