I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political [W:63]

[66mustang]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Do you believe the Russian Federation is the #1 geopolitical threat to the United States?

Not necessarily. China has been making big moves with their expansion and manmade islands in the South China sea. Economically they're becoming bigger consumers than just producers. They don't have the social media presence that a Russia, Qatar or Mexico has on the US yet...booting Google out of the country didn't help.

 

[PleasantValley]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

People do that because its easier to be dismissive and not engage in challenging ideas on their merits, or the painful cognitive dissonance that induces.

You commie bastard. /s

You busted me. Damn!
Can I still keep my Mosin Nagant and my Tokarev?...you puppet of the capitalist corporate conglomerate. /s

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

I think it's pretty obvious what has happened to the left. In a town hall debate, Ted Cruz asked Bernie what the difference between a Democrat and a socialist is, Bernie didn't have a reply indicating there really isn't a difference. Now take my point of view, I believe in a live and let live society. I believe in property rights, the freedom to make my own choices as to what goods and services I want to consume. Those are the farthest thing away from socialist values. Which ironically is what JFK was hinting at imo on your quote.

Do you believe in having a Social Security program? Do you believe in having Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP? Don't go to war with the dictionary. Your live and let live isn't counter to having some socialized programs. With the right mix it creates a society where live and let live works best. There is nothing extreme to what Bernie has proposed.

The most I see people do with Bernie is read his title of "Democratic Socialist" and they get up in arms from having seen the word "socialist" and just start assuming policies rather than knowing anything he's presenting. In fact, he proposed a tax policy when running for president that put a tax on the wealthy well under and nowhere near what it was under the JFK presidency. So by big tax standards, that makes him less "socialist" than JFK. The presidency you said you like so much.

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

"SJW's" are social issue based, not economic issue based. Socialism and capitalism are economic theories. And while classic liberals and modern liberals are not the same thing(nor are classic conservatives and modern conservatives, Reagan would be considered a RINO today), very few modern liberals are socialist. For example, I am very much a modern liberal, and I am very much in favor of a free market(with limits) and capitalism. Too often these days people look to attach labels, then argue against the label instead of what is actually said. I have lost track of how many times I have been told "you are a liberal, so you think or want this", and when some one does that, they are inevitably wrong. SO I recommend not worrying if some one is classicly liberal, or a modern liberal, or a SJW, or a socialist, or whatever other label. Instead worry about what positions they take, and debate those. Much more effective that way.

There are many posters in here whose entire debating strategy is just that. Telling others what they think without ever reading or asking their position on anything.

I'll admit I'm guilty sometimes of that sometimes if someone is debating me and they start sounding like a typical talking point or come at me with a similar style to someone else I've talked to that I may assume their position. There are a lot of lockstep puppets that makes me more right than wrong when I do it though.

I think these are people who generally dabble in politics but haven't really formed their own opinion so they cling to a presented ideology and from that point just search for pre-packaged confirmation bias and never form their own policy opinions at any depth.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

There are many posters in here whose entire debating strategy is just that. Telling others what they think without ever reading or asking their position on anything. I'll admit I'm guilty sometimes of that if someone is debating me and they start sounding like a typical talking point or come at me with a similar style to someone else I've talked to that I may assume sometimes.

Nah bro your style of posting is to throw shade in your posts then get upset when that person isn't nice in return to you. lets be honest here. You are one of the ones who whine at anyone who doesn't mouth foam over trump that they are rabid trump supporters. Posters who pretend to be above the fray are hilarious.

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Nah bro your style is to throw shade then get upset when that person isn't nice in return to you. lets be honest here. You are one of the ones who whine at anyone who doesn't mouth foam over trump that they are rabid trump supporters. you pretending to be above the fray is hilarious.

I see you intend to follow me from thread to thread and make every one of them about me. This won't work out well for you.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

I see you intend to follow me from thread to thread and make every one of them about me. This won't work out well for you.

I'm commenting with numerous people. I'm not sure what you are upset about. you aren't special.

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

I'm commenting with numerous people. I'm not sure what you are upset about. you aren't special.

Really? You've quoted me 11 times in 14 minutes. You doing that with everybody? :lol:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Really? You've quoted me 11 times in 14 minutes. You doing that with everybody? :lol:

yes, actually. it's a public forum. You don't get to dictate to me who and how I respond. if you don't like it, hide behind the ignore button. Have a wonderful day.

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

yes, actually. it's a public forum. You don't get to dictate to me who and how I respond. if you don't like it, hide behind the ignore button. Have a wonderful day.

Actually, it's a private forum run by its owner(s). I've no problem with you puppy-dogging me around although I'm pretty sure of your intent... it's not a problem unless you intend on making me your topic instead of addressing the topic. Which kind of reveals your intent. :lol:

so... buh bye now. buh bye.

 

[americanwoman]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Well, as someone who was homeless at one point in their life, conservatives did way more to get me out of poverty than the left ever did.

Which specific conservative backed programs helped you get out of poverty?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Actually, it's a private forum run by its owner(s). I've no problem with you puppy-dogging me around although I'm pretty sure of your intent... it's not a problem unless you intend on making me your topic instead of addressing the topic. Which kind of reveals your intent. :lol:

so... buh bye now. buh bye.

no one is following you around. don't flatter yourself. it's a forum open to the public, I'm not surprised you don't understand the difference. You really have some hubris to lecture me on adderssing the topic. You threw shade, now your whining when I'm not nice to you. you need to get a spine a little if you want to play games. What is the topic of this thread anyway? I'd be happy to give you yet another logical beatdown.


Like I said, if you don't want to see my posts, hide behind the ignore button.

 

[Zyphlin]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Moderator's Warning:

Rev and Rob, both of you need to cut the **** out and stick to discussing the topic. Next post that isn't directly pertaining to the topic, and only the topic, from either of you is getting points and a boot

 

[66mustang]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Do you believe in having a Social Security program? Do you believe in having Medicaid, Medicare, CHIP? Don't go to war with the dictionary. Your live and let live isn't counter to having some socialized programs. With the right mix it creates a society where live and let live works best. There is nothing extreme to what Bernie has proposed.

The most I see people do with Bernie is read his title of "Democratic Socialist" and they get up in arms from having seen the word "socialist" and just start assuming policies rather than knowing anything he's presenting. In fact, he proposed a tax policy when running for president that put a tax on the wealthy well under and nowhere near what it was under the JFK presidency. So by big tax standards, that makes him less "socialist" than JFK. The presidency you said you like so much.

I'd be all in favor of eliminating social security. Or at the least making it an option program. Here's a small primer behind that thinking. https://youtu.be/PLTfOAYfbao

Now if I'm understanding your post correctly, your idea of live and let live is through taxpayer funded, government programs. However, I see these programs as poorly run, highly bureaucratic, burdensome to the federal budget. Not because I don't think they shouldn't exist, I'm all in favor of a social safety net, but because government run anything is pretty terrible. In essence, I believe that live and let live means that I should be able to spend the money I work for as I see fit, not how someone else sees fit. It's a crazy idea to think I know how to better spend my money than someone else, right? Also, live and let live to me can be applied to the bedroom, what I put in my body, the words that come out of my mouth.

The problem I have with Bernie, and socialist in general is you don't have a choice as to where your money is spent. Someone else decides it for you at the threat of a government gun. The only say you may have is through elections. I never really understood how someone could want the government to have total control over their life and not take into account that one day, inevitably, there would be someone put into office that would tear it all apart. That doesn't sound like freedom to me. That sounds like oppression.

 

[66mustang]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Which specific conservative backed programs helped you get out of poverty?

Forget programs, just way of thinking. One can either choose to be a victim their whole life and let the government take care of them forever or they can put in the work and be a self made man or woman. I'm not the type to hold my hand out for something free.

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

I'd be all in favor of eliminating social security. Or at the least making it an option program. Here's a small primer behind that thinking. https://youtu.be/PLTfOAYfbao

Now if I'm understanding your post correctly, your idea of live and let live is through taxpayer funded, government programs. However, I see these programs as poorly run, highly bureaucratic, burdensome to the federal budget. Not because I don't think they shouldn't exist, I'm all in favor of a social safety net, but because government run anything is pretty terrible. In essence, I believe that live and let live means that I should be able to spend the money I work for as I see fit, not how someone else sees fit. It's a crazy idea to think I know how to better spend my money than someone else, right? Also, live and let live to me can be applied to the bedroom, what I put in my body, the words that come out of my mouth.

The problem I have with Bernie, and socialist in general is you don't have a choice as to where your money is spent. Someone else decides it for you at the threat of a government gun. The only say you may have is through elections. I never really understood how someone could want the government to have total control over their life and not take into account that one day, inevitably, there would be someone put into office that would tear it all apart. That doesn't sound like freedom to me. That sounds like oppression.

1) There's no live and let live when you are dead. So I believe, as a society, there is a need for assistance so some people can live and let live.
2) you don't have a choice where your taxes is spent now. That has nothing to do with Bernie.

I find it bizarre that you think SS is poorly run. It is what... 80 years old I think and it hasn't missed one single payment to this giant amount of people across the nation in it's entire history. It is wildly successful.

 

[66mustang]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

1) There's no live and let live when you are dead. So I believe, as a society, there is a need for assistance so some people can live and let live.
2) you don't have a choice where your taxes is spent now. That has nothing to do with Bernie.

I find it bizarre that you think SS is poorly run. It is what... 80 years old I think and it hasn't missed one single payment to this giant amount of people across the nation in it's entire history. It is wildly successful.

1) people will survive with or without social programs. For centuries churches, charities, community groups, and present day gofundme type websites exist so to assume government is the end all be all to a problem is ignorant at best.

2) that's why I don't vote for people who want to expand government.

Well, SS is set to be insolvent by 2034, or in other words only capable of paying out about 80% of its benefits to eligible people by then. So the solution is to either raise taxes on the program or to make cuts to it now to serve future generations. Ditto Medicare. Neither solution is popular and neither wins voters. So yeah, I'd say it isn't a well run program. The problem with socialist programs is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Without action, Social Security trust fund will be tapped out in 17 years - Jul. 13, 2017

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

1) people will survive with or without social programs. For centuries churches, charities, community groups, and present day gofundme type websites exist so to assume government is the end all be all to a problem is ignorant at best.

2) that's why I don't vote for people who want to expand government.

Well, SS is set to be insolvent by 2034, or in other words only capable of paying out about 80% of its benefits to eligible people by then. So the solution is to either raise taxes on the program or to make cuts to it now to serve future generations. Ditto Medicare. Neither solution is popular and neither wins voters. So yeah, I'd say it isn't a well run program. The problem with socialist programs is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Without action, Social Security trust fund will be tapped out in 17 years - Jul. 13, 2017

Wow... You really are going to sit there and type up that you think social security, which cut senior citizen poverty by over half, and medicare and medicaid insurance hasn't saved anyone's lives... and that if they weren't there some church would step up and pay for everyone's chemo's and surgeries? Unreal.

You are clearly not a JFK democrat as you claimed. Not in the least. It seems it's just a popular thing for conservatives to declare that they are days.

Oh and social security solvency... the sky's not falling.

The Truth About Social Security's Solvency And You

 

[66mustang]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Wow... You really are going to sit there and type up that you think social security, which cut senior citizen poverty by over half, and medicare and medicaid insurance hasn't saved anyone's lives... and that if they weren't there some church would step up and pay for everyone's chemo's and surgeries? Unreal.

You are clearly not a JFK democrat as you claimed. Not in the least. It seems it's just a popular thing for conservatives to declare that they are days.

Oh and social security solvency... the sky's not falling.

The Truth About Social Security's Solvency And You

Way to put words in my mouth. That's actually not what I said as I simply pointed out there are other options than government being the end all be all to a problem, but you do you.

 

[poweRob]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Way to put words in my mouth. That's actually not what I said as I simply pointed out there are other options than government being the end all be all to a problem, but you do you.

Our representative government is of, by and for the people. So it astounds me that people actually buy the notion that all things government are bad. That's basically a form of self-loathing.

No one put words in your mouth.

1) people will survive with or without social programs. For centuries churches, charities, community groups, and present day gofundme type websites exist so to assume government is the end all be all to a problem is ignorant at best.

 

[66mustang]

Re: I'm bored, conservative pov, ama political

Our representative government is of, by and for the people. So it astounds me that people actually buy the notion that all things government are bad. That's basically a form of self-loathing.

Nah, I just find most of it is poorly run. By design it's inefficient and self serving. That's not necessarily a bad thing until the government grows so big and powerful that it takes control over every aspect of your life. No thanks.