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Illinois Governor Signs Bill Scrapping Third-Trimester Abortion Restrictions

What is the purpose of a law designed to prevent something that doesnt happen anyway?

Is there a need for a law that says, "it's illegal to ride unicorns" when there are no unicorns?

OTOH, it's clear that such laws in place can do actual harm: to a woman/couple facing already facing a tragedy. Having to face a terrible, sad decision. Since no such abortions take place electively, these laws would only be used in conjunction with medically necessary abortions...and opening these poor families up to more govt intrusion in their live..investigation, invasion of medical privacy, questioning...exacerbating their grief. Such delays could even further endanger the woman's life.

All to, IMO, pander to self-indulgent and selfish people who will predictably react in a knee-jerk self-righteous manner...and thus capture more votes for the "right" team (pun intended).
 
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At least we know that there will always still be states (& Canada) where women can legally go for safe abortions. IMO IL will not be the only state to pass stronger laws protecting women's reproductive rights.

Some states make it so difficult now, or only have 1 facility in the entire state, that they have to go elsewhere now anyway. At least if they know what's available in a state close to them, they can decide and act earlier (and thus avoiding the 'later term' abortions after 16 weeks or so that are uncommon and if not medically necessary, are usually the result of being unable to get an appointment closer to home, time off work, transportation/place to stay, etc).
 
prometeus said:
Pointing out the idiocy of your posts is not meant as an insult it is only reality.
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This might be true but it isn’t. I notice it happens to all conservatives.
 
nota bene said:
Slyfox, we don't even have accurate abortion stats because states are not required to report them to the CDC (and although most do, some--California, for example--don't). There is even less information available for late-term abortions. If you can identify other clinics and physicians who performed late-term abortions, if you can provide better and more thorough information than I have, do so now...or stop making the ridiculous claim that I am offering an "extreme" example.

If there are other examples, produce them now, including legal documents, as I have done. All I have to go on is what happened in Kansas and what could happen in Illinois, and that is rubberstamping and "negligent" record-keeping. Poor record-keeping was what caused Dr. Tiller's "second" to lose her medical license. Thus, this example is relevant. And extensively documented.

Show me the examples that demonstrate that the example I've offered is "extreme."
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You are demanding sources for something that we claim doesnt happen? All the while implying that they do but 'arent recorded.'

We cannot show the negative but you certainly are welcome to find sources that support your speculation that those very late term abortions are happening...esp of healthy viable fetuses. But otherwise that's a pretty weak means of supporting your argument...mere 'guesswork' based on what you want to believe.
 
Amelia said:
There's going to be an underground railroad from states like Alabama to states like Illinois. Complete with forged documents to try to help people avoid prosecution if they go back to their punitive home state after getting an abortion.
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One motel in Michigan is already advertising free stays for women who must (if any such proposed laws end up standing) travel out of their states for abortions.

And think of all the $$ donated to PP explicitly for elective abortions (since PP and other facilities cannot use federal funds for that purpose) that would very likely be redistributed to such networks...which would be legal as well.
 
Deuce said:
Republican policies lead to an increase in abortions. If you vote Republican, you are a murderer.
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Interesting. Would be great to see that backed up by some sources. It would be good info to have on hand.
 
prometeus said:
Right, because your denials change reality.

Yea, it seems to be more common among the ignorant and uneducated.
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I think you are projecting again.
 
prometeus said:
No, not really. You display the same ignorance and lack of knowledge and reasoning in all your post not just replies to me.
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My my, resorting to insults again? Poor you!
 
Lursa said:
You are demanding sources for something that we claim doesnt happen? All the while implying that they do but 'arent recorded.'

We cannot show the negative but you certainly are welcome to find sources that support your speculation that those very late term abortions are happening...esp of healthy viable fetuses. But otherwise that's a pretty weak means of supporting your argument...mere 'guesswork' based on what you want to believe.
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There was no "we" in my post.
 
prometeus said:
I did not, now or before, but clearly pointing out your lacking is insulting to poor you. Deal with it.
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I do deal with it by pointing out your insults!
 
Crystal said:
Democrats, the party of death.
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Sure, the party of most peaceful things is the party of death :lamo

And this is not about death, this is about women's right to body autonomy and stopping governmental overreach.
 
Peter King said:
Sure, the party of most peaceful things is the party of death :lamo

And this is not about death, this is about women's right to body autonomy and stopping governmental overreach.
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Oh! So the baby lives?
 
Crystal said:
What dies? A hamster?
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ZEF's get aborted and cease their gestation, no baby dies during an elective early abortion. To claim that is religious touchy-feely fake speech to make people think of actual babies when talking about abortion, while the aborted tissue look NOTHING like a baby.
 
Lursa said:
You are demanding sources for something that we claim doesnt happen? All the while implying that they do but 'arent recorded.'
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Some people have trouble with honest discussion.

We cannot show the negative but you certainly are welcome to find sources that support your speculation that those very late term abortions are happening...esp of healthy viable fetuses.
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I've already challenged that poster to do that. That poster has refused. Not surprisingly.
 
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