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If we had socialized medicine in 2019, would Sanders have received immediate treatment?

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Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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No, he's too old.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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Typically emergency care is available in countries with socialized medical systems.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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I wish uninformed people would stop making uninformed posts.
Do yourself a favor, go to the Canadian forum and make the same statement so I can watch you get laughed at.

IN CANADA, if you report chest pains, and especially if you're a 78 year old complaining about chest pains, you are seen and treated IMMEDIATELY.
Anyone of ANY age with chest pains gets immediate attention. Same with a zillion other serious issues.
If you have a gangrenous foot from frostbite, you get seen immediately.
If you have a large abscess on your back, you get seen immediately.

If you have carpal tunnel syndrome and it hurts, you may have to wait some.
If you have a torn ACL, you might have to wait a little bit.

But forget all that...
Name a single candidate on the Dems that EVER said ANYTHING about tearing down the American medical system and replacing it with socialized medicine.

Go ahead, give me some names, I'll wait here.
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You're not on Facebook. This is DP, where most people actually try to know something before debating.
Of course we do have our share of low information hidebound partisan political hacks who really don't care about facts and who are only here for amusement. Are you sure you want to be part of that group?

Let us know, it's very helpful to know these things.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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Yes because he is an elitist and has money. Our politicians have the best healthcare. For the rest of us, the answer is no.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I wish uninformed people would stop making uninformed posts.
Do yourself a favor, go to the Canadian forum and make the same statement so I can watch you get laughed at.

IN CANADA, if you report chest pains, and especially if you're a 78 year old complaining about chest pains, you are seen and treated IMMEDIATELY.
Anyone of ANY age with chest pains gets immediate attention. Same with a zillion other serious issues.
If you have a gangrenous foot from frostbite, you get seen immediately.
If you have a large abscess on your back, you get seen immediately.

If you have carpal tunnel syndrome and it hurts, you may have to wait some.
If you have a torn ACL, you might have to wait a little bit.

But forget all that...
Name a single candidate on the Dems that EVER said ANYTHING about tearing down the American medical system and replacing it with socialized medicine.

Go ahead, give me some names, I'll wait here.
:popcorn2:

You're not on Facebook. This is DP, where most people actually try to know something before debating.
Of course we do have our share of low information hidebound partisan political hacks who really don't care about facts and who are only here for amusement. Are you sure you want to be part of that group?

Let us know, it's very helpful to know these things.
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It is my understanding Canada provides their citizens with basic healthcare. However about 2/3 of the population have private coverage for what the government doesn’t cover. Anyone from the north confirm that.
 
Outlook said:
It is my understanding Canada provides their citizens with basic healthcare. However about 2/3 of the population have private coverage for what the government doesn’t cover. Anyone from the north confirm that.
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And if you want to use some mirrors, you could almost say it's a little bit like an inverted "Medicare" where some folks buy Medicare Advantage or Medigap coverage.

And it is NOT "socialized" 100 %. Doctors are not government employees and private practices and hospitals are not government owned and operated. It's WHO PAYS these people that matters.
The United Kingdom is the country that has government owned and operated hospitals and clinics.

The closest thing to socialized medicine is the VA system, where everything is government owned and operated.
And the VA is currently ranking as on par with private sector medical for wait times.

Studies also show that the majority of veterans are very satisfied with their quality of care as well, despite a few facilities which are performing poorly, in places like Phoenix AZ and Memphis TN. Overall, the trajectory is that of vast improvement and has been for well over a decade.
I know because the wife and I use the VA for our healthcare and HAVE used it in several remote cities, like Loma Linda, Minneapolis and Dallas, and finally...the incorrigible VA in Memphis, which is where Karen first started using the VA.

And even in Memphis, it wasn't that the care was terrible or that the facility was bad. It was that they couldn't keep doctors more than three or four months. They just kept leaving almost as soon as they were hired. Toxic culture up top in Memphis is my guess.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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You're wrong.

He'd probably have received better care, for less cost - just as the VA is the highest rated healthcare system in the country by its patients. You want to keep tens of millions from having any coverage and our healthcare costing twice as much as anywhere else to profit the industry. That's your choice. I don't.
 
I am interested in whether or not Brother Fease has USED socialized OR single payer of ANY kind, or his family or close friends.
That includes the VA. I'd love to know if he has personal or secondhand family experience with the VA too.
 
Outlook said:
It is my understanding Canada provides their citizens with basic healthcare. However about 2/3 of the population have private coverage for what the government doesn’t cover. Anyone from the north confirm that.
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For Alberta

The government would cover the vast majority of medical expenses with the exception of non emergency use of ambulances, majority of prescription drug costs and private rooms. It covers basic plaster casts but not fiberglass or high end casts for broken bones.

I have had two surgeries, both minor day surgeries, I checked in, in the morning, left in the afternoon, no bill was ever sent to myself or to my employer insurance benefits program
 
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Yes because he is an elitist and has money. Our politicians have the best healthcare. For the rest of us, the answer is no.
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Because he is 78 years old and has Medicare.
How old are you? Obviously not old enough to have Medicare.

By the way, I'll be on Medicare in a year and a half.
At that point I will have TWO policies, my CHAMPVA and my Medicare, where the CHAMPVA will function as a Medigap policy.

Truth be told I wish the CHAMPVA CITI program was still in operation in California.
That's because ever since VA reached capacity, they had to shuffle all us spouses back out into private sector care with the use of our CHAMPVA as insurance.

And it sucks...back when I was still able to use the VA it was wonderful, the best care I'd ever received in my life.
I miss all my VA doctors, they took great care of me, just as they've taken great care of my wife.
They've literally saved her life seven times.
 
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tacomancer said:
ok. So its a problem and their society is dealing with it. Show me a medical system without problems.
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Explain the logic of adoting a system that is already ****ed up.
 
apdst said:
Sanders wouldn't have gotten his treatment, in a government run system, if he wasn't a senator.
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Emergency care is a routine part of the UK health system.
 
Who in the world is telling people that there will not be emergency rooms in the United States?

And it's not just the people who are saying it. You have to have a gullible people to actually consume it.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Who in the world is telling people that there will not be emergency rooms in the United States?

And it's not just the people who are saying it. You have to have a gullible people to actually consume it.
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Stupid people, that's who.

There really is no excuse for such a point of view, except stupid.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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I say burn down the house. It is a house of horrors.

This is exactly the type of specious political argument that begs the far greater questions of why our healthcare system is an abject failure, with a return on investment that is ridiculously poor. Our healthcare system, whether as it stands or in a socialist model, is not what Americans deserve. Procedural remuneration is not the answer, and that is the underlying failure. We need to completely revamp our thinking about medical care to a system of preventative care, from long before prenatal to death with dignity.

Yesterday I read 250 million children will be obese within a decade. We need to learn more about nutrition, appetite controls, to teach all our children to enjoy physically active healthy bodies. And to maintain those healthy exercise and dietary habits as adults. Shifting to preventative care could reduce costs astronomically. Certainly, communicable diseases can never be cured by preventative care, but healthy bodies and immune systems can reduce impact and recovery time. The same for broken bones and other injuries. It has been shown that even cancers are less widespread among healthy bodies with healthy immune systems, and early detection along with quick responses can reduce the number of cancers and their impact. Heart disease and strokes can be reduced dramatically. Even genetic caused maladies can now be prevented and cured.

It is time to stop arguing over how we deliver healthcare and time to start discussing how better to care for health. So yes, let's burn down the house.
 
BrotherFease said:
Bernie Sanders went to the doctors, after complaining about chest pain. He had health insurance and went to the hospital and got immediate medical treatment. Thank God, he was fine and received a mild procedure done. However, just imagine if we had socialized medicine in America. He might have made to wait months before getting a health scan. We all know that the downside to socialized medicine is long waiting lines and a reduction in the number of doctors. Something to think about, for those of you, wanting to burn down the house rather than making reasonable adjustments.
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I live in a country with 'socialized' medicine so can speak from personal experience. I lost vision in one eye for about 5 minutes a couple of years ago. I drove myself to the local 'socialized' ER and my butt didn't hit a waiting room chair. I was examined, then immediately taken for a CT scan, all without waiting. Finding nothing of concern I was set up to see an opthamologist the next day. He explained it was a ocular migraine and not to worry. During the exam he did find a need to do a bit of lattice laser repair.

Total cost to me for all this stuff: $0.00

Last year my girlfriend's 84 year old father fell while mowing the lawn and broke his hip. He had it replaced three days later.

Total cost to him: $0.00

I retired from the 'socialized' health care system in my country in October so know a bit about the system's triage. Someone like Bernie with a heart problem does not wait for a necessary procedure - they're right into OR if the risk necessitates it.

Countries with 'socialized' medicine have longer life expectancies than the US, for good reason. Availability of healthcare works to extend lifespans and make that lifespan healthier.
 
According to this information there are a number of countries that have better outcomes than the US for high risk acute events.

For example 6 countries have better outcomes for heart attack victims, 15 countries have better outcomes for hemorrhagic stroke. All countries with better outcomes have 'socialized' healthcare.
 
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