If Sanders is the nominee, will you vote?

[Divine_Wind]

What, arm myself to wage war on Trump? That man has performed some near miracles. I would not support your candidate ever. Again, such mean spirited comments to me. If you are Rising sun, this is far out of character for you.

QED. Thanks for confirming you are a staunch party member. Hail Trump!

Who is my candidate? You made a claim, let's see if you are just lying again or if you really know.

 

[TurtleDude]

That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives even got behind Hitler.

Godwin alert but Hitler supported lots of things that the current left supports

 

[Robertinfremont]

QED. Thanks for confirming you are a staunch party member. Hail Trump!

Who is my candidate? You made a claim, let's see if you are just lying again or if you really know.

Hail Trump? I can't say this about you but I put my trust in not one Democrat president, but 3 who made it. And I was sucker punched by Kennedy, Johnson and later Carter. I never voted for a republican until Reagan. I had in fact been completely against Reagan as my then governor. I made a hell of a mistake. I shall not allow you to cause me to make one more mistake. It is nice you hail Trump. I had never thought to do that.

 

[calamity]

If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

If Sanders wins, I'll look long and hard at the third party candidate.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Neither, I am merely correcting your inaccurate characterization of both. Hitler was not a socialist. He was, however, a populist.

Why do you defend Hitler? No, you did not correct. Apparently you do not accept the real Hitler. I spent time in war torn Germany post WW2. I know what my own eyes saw and listened to Germans who lived under Hitler. I do not get my knowledge from a Democrats text book.

Here is some factual information showing how the present Democrat party is very akin to the Nazi party.

The Economic Policy of the Nazis - Foundation for Economic Education

This is script that America's Democrats follow like a religion.

1. Capitalism is an unfair system of exploitation. It injures the immense majority for the benefit of a small minority. Private ownership of the means of production hinders the full utilization of natural resources and of technical improvements. Profits and interest are tributes which the masses are forced to pay to a class of idle parasites. Capitalism is the cause of poverty and must result in war.

2. It is therefore the foremost duty of popular government to substitute government control of business for the management of capitalists and entrepreneurs.

3. Price ceilings and minimum wage rates, whether directly enforced by the administration or indirectly by giving a free hand to trade-unions, are an adequate means for improving the lot of the consumers and permanently raising the standard of living of all wage earners. They are steps on the way toward entirely emancipating the masses (by the final establishment of socialism) from the yoke of capital. (We may note incidentally that Marx in his later years violently opposed these propositions. Present-day Marxism, however, endorses them fully.)

4. Easy money policy, i.e., credit expansion, is a useful method of lightening the burdens imposed by capital upon the masses and making a country more prosperous. It has nothing to do with the periodical recurrence of economic depression. Economic crises are an evil inherent in unhampered capitalism.

5. All those who deny the foregoing statements and assert that capitalism best serves the masses and that the only effective method of permanently improving the economic conditions of all strata of society is progressive accumulation of new capital are ill-intentioned and narrow-minded apologists of the selfish class interests of the exploiters. A return to laissez faire, free trade, the gold standard, and economic freedom is out of the question. Mankind will fortunately never go back to the ideas and policies of the nineteenth century and the Victorian age. (Let us note incidentally that both both Marxism and trade-unionism have the fairest claim to the epithets “nineteenth-century” and “Victorian.”)

 

[Divine_Wind]

Hail Trump? I can't say this about you but I put my trust in not one Democrat president, but 3 who made it. And I was sucker punched by Kennedy, Johnson and later Carter. I never voted for a republican until Reagan. I had in fact been completely against Reagan as my then governor. I made a hell of a mistake. I shall not allow you to cause me to make one more mistake. It is nice you hail Trump. I had never thought to do that.

Obviously you are so enamored with your own posts that you've never read mine. That's fine. You are free to think Dear Leader is best for all and just assume that I'm a democrat since, per the meme above, since, as you've posted, I'm not with you I must be the enemy. I called it correctly as judged by your actions.

For the record, and you are free to search my posts...which I strongly doubt you'll do, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not voting Democrat, haven't voted Democrat and won't be voting Democrat. Just because the Republican party has become the Party of Trump and left us true conservatives behind doesn't mean I'm not conservative or a Democrat. However, as an American patriot in opposition the Party of Trump, it does make me your enemy for not sucking up to Trump.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Horse ****. Soviet state investment through the five year plans took Russia from an agrarian society to an industrialized economy. During the great depression, the USSR experienced consistent economic growth.

Omy GOD.




i find that a majority of democrats think that highly of the Soviet era regime.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Bernie would have my vote. I held my nose in the last election and voted for Clinton. I will vote for anyone to avoid having a dunce like Trump sit in the white for another 4 years playing games with our democracy and national security. Staying home or voting third party in 2020 is a vote for the racist traitor who serves at the pleasure of Mr. Putin. Trump, Putin's Puppet, will not get my vote. If he happens to win again due to the Electoral College, at least I will not have had a hand in it.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Obviously you are so enamored with your own posts that you've never read mine. That's fine. You are free to think Dear Leader is best for all and just assume that I'm a democrat since, per the meme above, since, as you've posted, I'm not with you I must be the enemy. I called it correctly as judged by your actions.

For the record, and you are free to search my posts...which I strongly doubt you'll do, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not voting Democrat, haven't voted Democrat and won't be voting Democrat. Just because the Republican party has become the Party of Trump and left us true conservatives behind doesn't mean I'm not conservative or a Democrat. However, as an American patriot in opposition the Party of Trump, it does make me your enemy for not sucking up to Trump.

Well, I had not thought of smacking you in the chops until that crappy post you made. I know you hate Trump. And very unwise of you and tragic in fact. You assume a lot of bad about Trump or you would at least want to keep him in office. Me enamored with my posts? Well frankly I enjoy being more the thinking type, the evidence type and willing to put my thinking up for all to examine. I recall the living FDR. How many here can actually recall FDR talking live on the radio? I have trusted some miserable presidents in my life and Trump is not one of them. I can of course spell out things about Trump that does not please me. But his job is 24/7/365 and I have plenty of time to think all of this over. I have never had a single job that was that full time. I can report some good things about Kennedy but the man was a hell of a womanizer even when in office. This petty crap about Trump can't even match the sexploits of Lyndon Johnson. I can spell out more about those past presidents than most here can. When you vote for a person, you sort of invest in them.

I have many times stated clearly that of all the Rs up in 2016, at first wild horses could not drag me to vote for Trump. I still want to turn him off when he speaks. But that does not matter as a president. What does matter is results. I became persuaded he would get results after he got some. So he gets my vote.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Bernie would have my vote. I held my nose in the last election and voted for Clinton. I will vote for anyone to avoid having a dunce like Trump sit in the white for another 4 years playing games with our democracy and national security. Staying home or voting third party in 2020 is a vote for the racist traitor who serves at the pleasure of Mr. Putin. Trump, Putin's Puppet, will not get my vote. If he happens to win again due to the Electoral College, at least I will not have had a hand in it.

The Trump hate is like slime. It amazes me so many what one might think of as ordinary good Americans lash out with such utter hatred. How can this be America?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Well, I had not thought of smacking you in the chops until that crappy post you made....

Figures you're the violent type who smacks those with whom you disagree. I doubt gender is an obstacle for you.

The fact remains you've libeled me several times as your above posts attest yet you become upset when people reply in kind. When Trump does that people rightfully call him a *****, PABOTUS and a coward.

Another fact is that anyone who disagrees with "dear leader" is quickly and brutally attacked as a Trump hater, a socialist, a far LW extremist, etc, etc, etc. You are obviously smart enough to see that as fact even if you are dishonest enough to never admit it. You've falsely claimed I'm a Democrat, which I've posted several times I am not. I don't trust liars. Good luck in the civil war. I'll look forward to you trying to "smack" me in the chops.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I'll vote, but it won't be for a deplorable or a socialist dreamer. At least it's not two deplorables running this time. Things are looking up!

Some of you voters will have that same feeling as the Kobe Bryant pilot of the helicopter that flew into the hill felt at his final moment. What the hell was I thinking. I could have voted for Trump but let derangement get the best of me.

 

[Divine_Wind]

The Trump hate is like slime. It amazes me so many what one might think of as ordinary good Americans lash out with such utter hatred. How can this be America?

Expected reply to anyone who disses the Leader!

 

[Robertinfremont]

Figures you're the violent type who smacks those with whom you disagree. I doubt gender is an obstacle for you.

The fact remains you've libeled me several times as your above posts attest yet you become upset when people reply in kind. When Trump does that people rightfully call him a *****, PABOTUS and a coward.

Another fact is that anyone who disagrees with "dear leader" is quickly and brutally attacked as a Trump hater, a socialist, a far LW extremist, etc, etc, etc. You are obviously smart enough to see that as fact even if you are dishonest enough to never admit it. You've falsely claimed I'm a Democrat, which I've posted several times I am not. I don't trust liars. Good luck in the civil war. I'll look forward to you trying to "smack" me in the chops.

Your little childish fart fest will come to a close. I do not recall saying you are a Democrat though I will admit it was on my mind. But you turned into a routine bully who thinks I attacked him.

One good thing. At least to you Democrats are vile filthy scum.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Some of you voters will have that same feeling as the Kobe Bryant pilot of the helicopter that flew into the hill felt at his final moment. What the hell was I thinking. I could have voted for Trump but let derangement get the best of me.

Do you think Trump will eventually die by his own hand in his bunker?....or do you think he'll just die at home of a heart attack after leaving office in 2025?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Do you think Trump will eventually die by his own hand in his bunker?....or do you think he'll just die at home of a heart attack after leaving office in 2025?

Why do you see presidents as being YOUR LEADER?

What president has ever been YOUR LEADER?

 

[Parrish]

Some of you voters will have that same feeling as the Kobe Bryant pilot of the helicopter that flew into the hill felt at his final moment. What the hell was I thinking. I could have voted for Trump but let derangement get the best of me.

That wasn't witty or even funny.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well, except FDR didn't ban labor unions...

I think I just heard someone say that FDR backed Hitler, but of course they had nothing to back that claim up, seeing as how it's a lie.
I responded to you only because I can't normally see this person's posts, and I refuse to dignify them with a direct response.
Do you agree that they lied, flat out bald faced lied?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Your little childish fart fest will come to a close. I do not recall saying you are a Democrat though I will admit it was on my mind. But you turned into a routine bully who thinks I attacked him.

One good thing. At least to you Democrats are vile filthy scum.

You sure danced around it like gays at a St. Patrick's Day parade. A man with spine would say what he means. Sad you do not.

That is just **** kicking mean. Stop acting like you are a loyal Democrat.

You have the view of socialism that Democrats promote. What you need to do is actually experience it. Winco is not socialist. But merely a company owned by the employees. Hitler was a socialist for thousands of reasons. Are you defending socialism or Hitler?

 

[Robertinfremont]

You sure danced around it like gays at a St. Patrick's Day parade. A man with spine would say what he means. Sad you do not.

For some reason you enjoy pissing people off.

I said ACTING I also noted you have the view of socialism promoted by Democrats.
That no more makes you a democrat than my telling a person he talks like a pilot makes him a pilot.

One good thing. You appear to see Democrats as low down dirty dogs. I may be wrong there.

 

[Robertinfremont]

I think I just heard someone say that FDR backed Hitler, but of course they had nothing to back that claim up, seeing as how it's a lie.
I responded to you only because I can't normally see this person's posts, and I refuse to dignify them with a direct response.
Do you agree that they lied, flat out bald faced lied?

I love to weed out Democratic/Socialists that easy. I let them weed themselves out. Easy peasy.

FDR backed the policies that Hitler used. Was that so hard to learn?

In fact, Hitler had no Supreme court to stop him. FDR did. And for a time it stopped him a lot.

Imagine a supreme court that could have stopped Hitler?

 

[Robertinfremont]

That wasn't witty or even funny.

That was piledriver serious my friend. It was not trying for what you assumed. As i am a pilot, I wanted to convey the feeling Bryan't pilot had if he saw the ground at all.

 

[dairyair]

If Sanders Is The Nominee, Will You Vote?

This question doesn't apply to those solidly in the Trump or Sanders camp. Most of you will be voting. I'm asking those, like me, who see Sanders' flaws as potentially prohibitive of casting a vote in his name.

I've never been good at holding my nose and voting. I've never done it. I've never had to. We have "none of the above" here, and I've selected it three times: 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Those choices were easy to make. This year, I'd vote for an indicted ham sandwich over Trump. I just don't know if I can vote for Bernie. If I allow myself to vote for someone I find seriously flawed, for the sole purpose of defeating the opponent, then I become part of the problem. I don't believe I can do that.

My question revolves around turnout. If Sanders isn't the nominee, we can expect some Bernie supporters won't be voting. If Sanders is the nominee, how will that effect turnout among moderates who aren't voting for Trump? Will they hold their noses or stay home?

I held my nose in '16. Actually, I couldn't hold my nose and bypassed that prez election.
But not this time, anyone on the D side is far far far better than trump.

We are having less and less influence in shaping the world. A world that continues to shrink and trade together more each day.

tRump isn't a president. He's a person who now has a voice and uses it to divide as much as possible.

 

[Divine_Wind]

For some reason you enjoy pissing people off.

I said ACTING I also noted you have the view of socialism promoted by Democrats.
That no more makes you a democrat than my telling a person he talks like a pilot makes him a pilot.

One good thing. You appear to see Democrats as low down dirty dogs. I may be wrong there.

Another false accusation from you in a loooong line of false accusations. It saddens me. I suspect you were probably an honest, faithful American at one time. What happened? Age coupled with fear? Illness?

If straight, honest comments piss you off, then I suggest you either shut down your computer or put me on ignore.

As I've posted several times here and elsewhere, Trump will most likely be reelected. Bernie won't be President. Even if he was elected because sooooo many people recognized Trump is a f***ing moron, he would still have to deal with a Republican Senate....unless the Republicans screw that up too....and I really hope they do not. I prefer both parties blocking each other into a standstill, not an authoritarian regime be it Socialist or Fascist.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Another false accusation from you in a loooong line of false accusations. It saddens me. I suspect you were probably an honest, faithful American at one time. What happened? Age coupled with fear? Illness?

If straight, honest comments piss you off, then I suggest you either shut down your computer or put me on ignore.

As I've posted several times here and elsewhere, Trump will most likely be reelected. Bernie won't be President. Even if he was elected because sooooo many people recognized Trump is a f***ing moron, he would still have to deal with a Republican Senate....unless the Republicans screw that up too....and I really hope they do not. I prefer both parties blocking each other into a standstill, not an authoritarian regime be it Socialist or Fascist.

You have nerve. You have falsely accused me many times.