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I used to live there, now it's a ruin...

Renae said:
We had our regulars, and steady business. It wasn't gang busters but it kept the lights on.
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The sad truth is regulars die. And it is steady until it isn't. Many restaurants are on a shoe string. We had a restaurant making good money until the SoCal forces of 2003. After a few months of slow business after the fires they were done for. Same with a new Casino out near Santa Ysabel. Good business until the fires went through. Then nada.... No one vacations at a moonscape. Another venue closed because of water damage and wood rot. Never to open again. Another closed because one of the main people was murdered. That too hasn't reopened.

All were very good memories for me. Nothing more at this point.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
OK. I can understand that.

But, nevertheless, nothing lasts. Literally nothing. Impermanence is the very calling card of living, and life has no shelter, nothing permanent; it is always swept away.
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True that. Everyone we know and love will die and be gone forever. Every memory we cherish, along with those who shared them with us, will be extinguished. Every building we have passed through shall eventually crumble. Every institution we upheld will one day be dust. Makes me wish there was something of permanence to look to, as I thought there was when I was a believer. But there is not.

It puts me in mind of one of Kipling's less merry verses (of course, I do not think the man wrote any happy poems):

Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre

Best that we cherish the joy of life and spending it with those whom we love while it lasts. Because it never lasts.
 
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Fledermaus said:
The sad truth is regulars die. And it is steady until it isn't. Many restaurants are on a shoe string. We had a restaurant making good money until the SoCal forces of 2003. After a few months of slow business after the fires they were done for. Same with a new Casino out near Santa Ysabel. Good business until the fires went through. Then nada.... No one vacations at a moonscape. Another venue closed because of water damage and wood rot. Never to open again. Another closed because one of the main people was murdered. That too hasn't reopened.

All were very good memories for me. Nothing more at this point.
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Aye, I understand the impermanence of life all too well. The changes that time brings, for good or for ill. Most of the bases I grew up on, are now gone. Bergstrom? An Airport. Clark? A civilian city. Homestead, Mather... all gone. The ones I have the fondest memories of are pictures in a book now.
 
Too many to list, too much heartbreak but here's one that was formative for me as a young man.

The Coliseum Ballroom, Minneapolis, MN

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Actually, my heart is with the rehearsal spaces in the basement. Before my little blues band took it over it used to be home to groups like The Suburbs and The Explodo Boys.
 
Fledermaus said:
What exactly did the "multinationals" do at this site. Or the hundreds of others dotting the West?
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Are you suggesting someone can't have an impact from the other side of the country?
 
Rexedgar said:
Zoysia?
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Yes it was matter of fact.

If you don't own the property you really don't have any say on what the new owners do. But it just sucks to see something you worked on so hard just go to crap.
 
Renae said:
Aye, I understand the impermanence of life all too well. The changes that time brings, for good or for ill. Most of the bases I grew up on, are now gone. Bergstrom? An Airport. Clark? A civilian city. Homestead, Mather... all gone. The ones I have the fondest memories of are pictures in a book now.
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Here too.

First duty station. MCAS El Toro. Now civilianized and swallowed up by the greater LA/OC sprawl. NAS Alameda now better known as the testing site for Mythbusters and the filming site for Matrix highway scenes. The squadrons I served with all gone save for the last one.
 
Fledermaus said:
The question was....

What exactly did the "multinationals" do at this site. Or the hundreds of others dotting the West?
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And my question was, why do they have to have done something on this site?

I don't understand the point of your question.
 
Crosscheck said:
Yes it was matter of fact.

If you don't own the property you really don't have any say on what the new owners do. But it just sucks to see something you worked on so hard just go to crap.
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I ordered one of their packages and it looked like a dead piece of sod. You had to separate your own ‘plugs.’ I was disappointed. Stuff never grew for me. I tried a small patch many years ago.....
 
Fledermaus said:

As long as the multinationals are winning, who cares? Right?

What do the multinationals have to do with this site going under?
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Quite sure I explained. And it might not have to do with it going under, but it probably has something to do with it staying under.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Quite sure I explained. And it might not have to do with it going under, but it probably has something to do with it staying under.
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Post number where you "explained".

And how do the "multinationals" contribute to "staying under"?

And be advised. Multinational corporations existed during the heyday of many of the Route 66 locations that have gone under.
 
Renae said:
Buckholts, Texas - The Line Shack Restaurant - Our Ruins

Seriously, that is... A FREAKING MAZING to see. I mean, we had a restaurant/bar, a garage and living area, and now it's... its dead. **** me.
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I'll add that this "abandonment" phenomenon is not just a small town and rural problem, but also occurs in urban areas where de-industrialization or localized economic downturns occur, sometimes just a matter of blocks from more vibrant or even affluent areas.
 
Rexedgar said:
I ordered one of their packages and it looked like a dead piece of sod. You had to separate your own ‘plugs.’ I was disappointed. Stuff never grew for me. I tried a small patch many years ago.....
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Interesting. It was some 40 years ago I bought those. I remember they took hold.
I can still remember the ad of some guy with dark curly hair in front of this very green lawn.

I googled it and now there are quite a few companies still marketing it. Often those dead looking sod plugs can come back. Sorry to hear your disappointment.
 
Chomsky said:
I'll add that this "abandonment" phenomenon is not just a small town and rural problem, but also occurs in urban areas where de-industrialization or localized economic downturns occur, sometimes just a matter of blocks from more vibrant or even affluent areas.
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Very very True friend, it happens, it's part of time and life that things we once treasured or saw as in this case for me, home... become nothing more than relics of a forgotten age. I guess it's just how personal the moment is that it hit me, been getting a lot of those lately.
 
Fledermaus said:
Drive between the California border and New Mexico along the old Route 66 and you will see sections of the road dying... Any business too far from the off ramps is doomed to eventual failure...
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Yes but it's been that way for forty years and I know that because I did exactly that about forty years ago, and then did exactly that AGAIN about ten years ago. It's been that way for MORE than forty years.
 
Chomsky said:
I'll add that this "abandonment" phenomenon is not just a small town and rural problem, but also occurs in urban areas where de-industrialization or localized economic downturns occur, sometimes just a matter of blocks from more vibrant or even affluent areas.
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Detroit.
There are people who insist that it's because Detroit is a Democrat city but that's simply not the real reason, even given some of the corruption that did go on under Democratic administrations.
That crap did not "help" matters any and that crap DID do some harm but the greatest harm done to Detroit WAS and IS "the multinationals" (automakers) who just decided one day that they could make more money outsourcing the majority of their car assembly work to poorer communities and poorer countries. That's almost a century of solid business, and a solid workforce, dismissed with the stroke of a pen, and not only the main manufacturers but also all the ancillary stuff that served them...that went away the same as the automotive assembly lines.

And by the way, the bulk of the Democratic corruption began AFTER the outsourcing began.
Doesn't make it right but it does help explain why it happened...desperate Dems of low character searching for a magic solution when magic is really corruption in disguise.

And by the way, much the same also happened to the British motorcar industry as well.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Detroit.
There are people who insist that it's because Detroit is a Democrat city but that's simply not the real reason, even given some of the corruption that did go on under Democratic administrations.
That crap did not "help" matters any and that crap DID do some harm but the greatest harm done to Detroit WAS and IS "the multinationals" (automakers) who just decided one day that they could make more money outsourcing the majority of their car assembly work to poorer communities and poorer countries. That's almost a century of solid business, and a solid workforce, dismissed with the stroke of a pen, and not only the main manufacturers but also all the ancillary stuff that served them...that went away the same as the automotive assembly lines.

And by the way, the bulk of the Democratic corruption began AFTER the outsourcing began.
Doesn't make it right but it does help explain why it happened...desperate Dems of low character searching for a magic solution when magic is really corruption in disguise.

And by the way, much the same also happened to the British motorcar industry as well.
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Wow! Did you necro this puppy!
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Oh crap, I only went back here because it showed up on my notifications.
So I'm going to get points for this now? Grrrrrr....
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Points? I doubt it, if you don't have a history of it.

Shhh ... I'll never tell ... :2razz:
 
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